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Thread: Did Parson win?
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2009-05-20, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Did Parson win?
Wanda says he lost.
Parson says he won.
Who is right? Why? Show examples.
The only reason I can see where Parson might be wrong is if she's saying that putting the pliers in her hands equals him losing. He destroyed the opposing army, converted them to his units, replenished the gem supply, and it was HIS command and idea to uncroak the volcano. That's a pretty solid win to me.
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2009-05-20, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-21, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I personally think he won the battle... but only technically and he lost what he really cared about: the city, Bogroll, his allies...
It was a win only because the other sides lost... well... more.
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2009-05-21, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I didn't say he didn't take losses... :)
Perhaps it was a Pyrrhic victory, but a victory nonetheless. And, regarding the city, it was reduced to level 1, but not destroyed, as is proven by the dragon popping.Last edited by Brewdude; 2009-05-21 at 12:14 AM.
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2009-05-21, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
Wanda was referring to a psychological loss, not military victory that Parson is thinking of.
Seriously guys. Don't make me post an obvious reply on such easy semantical stuff.Last edited by LurkerInPlayground; 2009-05-21 at 01:17 AM.
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2009-05-21, 01:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-21, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
There are no winners in war. Just people who loose less than others.
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2009-05-21, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-21, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
The interesting thing is that Wanda is making this observation. She saw when she summoned Parson that he wanted to command a real battle. Hoever, judging from her "I see" comment, his qualms about the cost were not something that she'd seen when summoning him.
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2009-05-21, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
Parson lost some friends, eg: Bogroll, Misty. He didn't get to go home yet.
He helped Wanda get pliers, he probably is not sure that is "good" thing overall, eg Einstein wasn't happy about nuclear arms race based on what he "discovered", despite fame and fortune.
A win involves getting what you want, Parson didn't "wish" for this.Last edited by multilis; 2009-05-21 at 09:44 AM.
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2009-05-21, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I guess he is on the way of understanding that everybody has an inner beast that strives for survival at any costs - he too lost his innocence - and the way of the general/warrior requires you not only to accept this fact, but also not to let it control your feelings fully.
He has taken an aspect the "buddy" Parson does not like (and in that case he reacts like a true Hippymancer) but the aspect of "ruthless" Parson was required by the situation. He just has to cope with that. I think he goes through the same feelings like our loved dirtamancer. Inside of him he questions his deeds.Last edited by Dr.Desastro; 2009-05-21 at 10:15 AM.
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2009-05-21, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
He survived, I suppose that's as close to winning as it gets in this situation.
I would be a procrastinator, but I keep putting it off.
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2009-05-21, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I thought that Parson's loss had something to do with the discussion of fighting fate, as in: You can't win so don't try.
Quo vadis?
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2009-05-21, 09:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
Bah, on rereading, it IS semantics. She would have been clearer saying "you will take losses," but then Parson wouldn't have had the opportunity to misunderstand like I did.
"You will take losses, and you will continue to take losses," honestly, isn't really all that brilliant an insight to tell an army leader, and is kind of rude. It's like telling a soldier "you're going to kill someone, and it will most likely suck for you, mentally." or telling a plumber "you have a crappy job."Last edited by Brewdude; 2009-05-21 at 09:30 PM.
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2009-05-23, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I wasn't sure if he won before, but now with that loud *boop* you he definitely gained levels ;)
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2009-05-23, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
Can he really gain levels as a player, though? In the literal, Erfworld sense of the word.
Last edited by Arkaim; 2009-05-23 at 08:42 PM.
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2009-05-23, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
I'd say he won; he finally got his Christmas Wish.
Too bad f-bombs don't deal area damage, or they'd be good warfare techniques.It's been a bit, GitP. If you're reading this, you're either digging through old stuff, or I've posted for the first time in forever.
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2009-05-24, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-10, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
He lost because wanda is not on his side. Look at the units, they don't bear the hamster symbol anymore they have wanda's skulls. I think what she's trying to say is, she could leave right now with the pliers and he couldn't stop her.
Last edited by galdon; 2009-06-10 at 01:54 PM.
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2009-06-27, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 01:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 02:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
if you keep up with the new posts of turns since tBfGK. Parson might of destroyed his city.. but now a lava lake surrounds his castle and the city defense went up even higher than before. I'm pretty sure that counts as a win.
Also, He beat the opposing army versus all odds. Took some losses, but that's how war works."If you can, then do. If you cannot, then find a way so you can."
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2009-08-26, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
Well, really, any losses that are better than "all" are preferable to what would have happened to the forces of any warlord who didn't think to use the volcano like that. Which is to say, not being completely wiped out pretty much does what his opponents don't want to happen, which makes it a win, I think.
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2009-08-26, 02:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
This thread was old.
But Wanda and Parson were talking about entirely different things and assessing them according to different perspectives. Which isn't to say that they don't understand both perspectives. Parson just happened to be feeling badly for being a mass murderer.
Parson is concerned for his spirit and sense of decency. Wanda *does* pick up on this after she realizes that he's not talking about strict military objective, but she gives him the whole "what do you know of it?" speech by claiming to have destroyed more.
It's basically a pity party.
The OP question is flawed and misses the point by a fair mile. Wanda isn't trying to be "right."
She was giving him a straight assessment of military victory.
But people die. Parson doesn't like it.
Wanda mocks him.Last edited by LurkerInPlayground; 2009-08-26 at 02:59 AM.
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2009-09-07, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Did Parson win?
He won the battle.
But he lost to Erfworld.
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