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2017-06-09, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
You don't need to bother with Balance at all, though. The scene could easily be run as forcing the giant to make a Balance check (or maybe a Reflex save) to avoid being flat-footed (plus other penalties, probably). Roy either doesn't need to make the check because the maneuver is timed for when he's in the air, or gets a bonus that renders it trivial for the same reason. It even works as a jacked-up Aid Another attempt by Bandana and the pilot, giving Roy the bonus he needs to succeed on his Bull Rush.
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On an entirely separate topic, has anyone ever suggested compiling a list of the more detailed analysis posts and adding them to the OP? That would probably help people who think they have new arguments for things, or otherwise haven't read the backlog. Obviously we link things that come from more in-depth analysis, but there are quite a few items which just link to pages from the comic without explanation.
E2: Look what handy resource just reappeared that I couldn't find yesterday. Thanks Lord Torath and Mark Hall!
E3 (um...): O-chul's Paladin level is at most 4, as he has no special mount, but could still get one.Last edited by unbeliever536; 2017-06-10 at 02:31 AM. Reason: forgot actual link...
Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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2017-06-10, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Also, the footnote on the sloped or angled floor says "only if running of charging, failure by 4 or less means the character can't run or charge but can act normally." Given that the DC is the same as uneven lagstone or hewn stone, I think it's likely that this is only meant to apply to apply in that case, meaning it's Roy who is flat footed if anyone.
However, I thought we'd pretty well established that the attacks of opportunity rules are applied unevenly enough that we don't take the fact that someone didn't make one to be evidence of anything.
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2017-06-10, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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According to the FAQ:
Q: If a character makes a special attack like grappling, and his victim does not make an attack of opportunity, can that be evidence of a feat like Improved Grapple?
Yes, assuming the victim is armed, and otherwise capable of making AOOs. It is clear that the rules for attacks of opportunity are used in the comic, and there is no reason to assume that grappling/tripping/sundering is an exception.Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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2017-06-11, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, apparently I failed my Knowledge (thread consensus) check, oops.
On a meta level, I feel that Rich has increasingly ignored the opportunity attack rules as he's moved away from d&d jokes, since they often don't fit with more common narrative tradition. I'm not advocating taking that into account formally, just commenting bough. But when was the last time someone in the strip actually _did_ make an attack of opportunity during someone else's maneuver, just out of curiosity? Of course, this might just mean no one is using untrained maneuvers...
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2017-06-11, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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On Durkon's domains, remember that he can also cast Thor's Lightning. We've never been able to pin down just what spell that is, and hence what published domains could account for it, but it's definitely not granted by Good or Healing.
Thor's Might (presumably a re-named Righteous Might) might also be a domain spell, but we can't be sure on that because it's also a standard cleric spell. But I don't think the standard cleric list contains anything, from any source, that could be Thor's Lightning.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2017-06-11, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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So my D&D ignorance may be showing, but is Roy not allowed to have stat boosts from multiple items at once? The way this thread discusses his Str it implies that's the case, but I can't find anything forbidding it with a quick google search.
If Roy can have str boosts from multiple items then I would think his Str being 29 would make sense as being justified by an unknown additional item boosting it?
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2017-06-12, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bonuses of the same type don't stack, generally speaking:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm
Magic items typically grant Enhancement Bonuses.
So if Roy, in addition to his Belt of Giant Strength:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems...fGiantStrength
also had Gauntlets of Ogre power:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems...etsofOgrePower
they wouldn't stack - only the highest one would apply.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2017-06-12, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
It's a major part of the core basics of the game that bonuses of the same type to the same thing don't stack. And, while not strictly required by the rules, in most cases almost all things that give a bonus to any particular thing all give the same type of bonus (except for Armor Class, where there are four or five common bonus types).
Roy's belt gives an enhancement bonus to strength. If he got another item that gave an enhancement bonus to strength, only the highest bonus of the two would apply. If he got an item that gave a bonus of some type other than "enhancement" to strength, then he would get to combine the bonuses - but items that do that pretty much don't exist.Like 4X (aka Civilization-like) gaming? Know programming? Interested in game development? Take a look.
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A great meta example is right here! My comment had +1 to understanding, hamishspence's comment gave a +5 to understanding, and then Douglas chipped in +4 to understanding. So even though all three posts answered the question, and even though Douglas' reply came after hamishspence's, they don't stack, because they are all the same "type" (in this case, they give the same information, just varying levels of detail). Your understanding is now +5, not +10.
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2017-06-16, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, do we know what (buff) spell Elan casts on Roy in panel 2 of #1076?
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Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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2017-06-17, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
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2017-06-24, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Does #1077 help us with Roy's Spellcraft skill? Locate Object is a 2nd level spell. Granted Roy could have rolled a 1 on his Spellcraft roll, but assume he didn't.
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2017-06-24, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see anything in the strip that would call for a Spellcraft roll.
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2017-06-24, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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That would come under Knowledge (Arcana). Spellcraft is for identifying a spell as it is cast.
I would guess that Roy, being a single-classed fighter, never took any levels in wizard, regardless of Eugene's "You'll be back to cantrips within a week"
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html
Unless he took a level and then retrained it. Or counted as "0th level" with a very limited cantrip-casting ability, when he was a teenager.Last edited by hamishspence; 2017-06-24 at 01:41 PM.
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2017-06-24, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Roy has always seem dedicated to the pure fighter route to me. Unless there's a feat involving it (cause the man has had feats to burn,) I doubt anything he has anything involving magic outside of wearing and smacking things with a pointy stick.
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