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2019-08-26, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe, but maybe gods are like stars. The bigger the star, the quicker they burn their fuel, the faster they die. Maybe gods of OotS follow the same rule. Strong gods need a lot of fuel to keep going and will burn out without getting more fuel. Weak gods burn their fuel so slowly that they live several orders of magnitude longer. Not that I have evidence for this, but it might be possible. Any god that decides to be a "strong god" would be unable to become a "weak one" and, thus, can't slow down how fast they burn through their power. Perhaps, if there are weak gods, they are non-senient masses of energy with no direction or purpose except to exist as a mass of energy. Without wasting energy on thought, creation, fighting, partying, etc, they would just last almost indefinitely until something triggered them to ascend or just cause them to decide to be sentient. Again, I have zero idea on how that would work, but it's interesting to think about.
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2019-08-26, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Here. Although Hel implies the opposite. Unless Loki was the one who gave the fiends the idea.
Durkon* also says at one point that he looks forword to the never ending gloom of Hel, and then clarifies he meant the place, no the goddess who he expects to be fairly chipper.
Not my favourite episode. It crammed a lot of things into to little time and explained zero of them.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2019-08-26 at 04:29 PM.
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2019-08-26, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-08-26, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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He doesn't utter it. He says it with basically the same intensity as this other gem, from a far better episode.
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2019-08-26, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
That is certainly a possibility.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-08-26, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1138.html
I agree with you (and others in between you and me), that puts Loki at the intersection of CE and CN according to the handy planar guide.
That also happened to Jenny Sparks (of Wildstorm's Stormwatch and The Authority). The (in her words) "fishhead majority" decreed that as one of the "spirits of the century" (i.e. Jenny Sparks in the 20th Century) she had to die in dec. 31st, 1999, not dec. 31st. 2000. And so she did.
BTW, does the dwarf dogma about trees have effects on trees the way thoughts about gods have effects on gods? Would trees in the next world actually be malevolent? Or are dwarf beliefs so outnumbered by non-dwarf beliefs such as "No, they are just trees, neither evil nor good"?
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2019-08-26, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-26, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok- I just had to register.
Holy Bleeping Bleep! This was a powerful one Rich! I can't WAIT to see how it turns out!
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2019-08-26, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thor: "It's time for me to put my faith in you, Durkon."
Durkon: *topples over, chips off his nose*
Thor: "Does anybody have some Gorilla Glue?"
TWO HOURS LATER
"Someone pass the glaze. The paint's chipping off Durkon again."
"His weapon's bent. Why are their weapons always bent right out of the package?"
I swear, the pre-painted stuff has no QC."
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2019-08-26, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
So Hel lives in Hel which is part of Hades and not Hell. There was also a god named Hades but he does not live in Hades because he is no longer alive.
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2019-08-26, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Esperanto was an attempt to create a single worldwide united language. It failed for the reasons mentioned in this thread - the impossibility of getting the world's population en masse to abandon their linguistic traditions and learn a new one, differences between governments and cultures, and Esperanto's eurocentric construction which made it far less than convenient for the non-Western world.
But William Shatner starred in an Esperanto horror movie, so there's that.
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2019-08-26, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that clears up Loki’s motivations (and explains why his “Vote No” speech was kind of half-assed).
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2019-08-26, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
The latter
They have evolved to depend on worship
Presumably it also makes them more powerful
I’m reminded of a number of recent fantasy settings which have faery chaos beings as the enemy with a sub set who chose to become defined and enter the material and create the world etc. Exalted is sort of one (though the creators there don’t depend on worship it’s their servants who take over that do)'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2019-08-26, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
That's a pretty well thought out set of motivations for Loki.
I'm feeling a little nervous for Thor though.... I mean... has he READ some of the early comics? Durkon's heart is absolutely in the right place, but the Order has been fumblin', stumblin', bumblin' for quite some time now.
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2019-08-26, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Huh, neat to get some godly character development: A reminder Loki is still evil, however nice he appears, and a nice little beat about how the gods, in a way, are both bound by and rely on mortals as much as mortals are bound by and rely on them. Loki can't tell the truth because mortal perception has bound his personality to restrictions, but a mortal, Durkon, is the one who will save the world. The god/mortal relationship is a bit more even then we thought.
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2019-08-26, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Yeah like those things that grow in the ground and have nothing to do with Apple trees that get called apples of the earth 🤔
Pineapples do sort of look like pine cones however - and apple was often used for any new fruit (at least the English didn’t use it for a tuber)
Getting back to cliched - the meaning is very media orientated
It refers to an overused trope - the Butler did it or the bad guy is actually fighting an even badder guy so we all make friends and forget the evil he did and is still doing
The story line has been used so much it becomes expected and so is a cliche. Which means that story line has been cliched.
Sorry I was to lazy to add the accents 😉Last edited by mjasghar; 2019-08-26 at 05:56 PM.
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2019-08-26, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by understatement;24110756[[The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-26, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Also in Planescape : the Norse gods dwelt together in a shared realm which sometimes was taken as the name for the whole plane. This shared realm probably explained why it was on the CN/CG plane
Loki has a home there but he also has a domain in Pandemonium (the lulz plane of CN/CE and often associated with madness) for when his tricks get him into trouble.'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2019-08-26, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Oh come on Loki, you're clever enough to lie in such a way that she figures out the truth!
Her spite is probably a valid concern though.