Why did Ginyu never steal Frieza's body?

[Tengu_temp]

Why? What crime have you committed that is so heinous that you must commit seppuku?

I'm seriously discussing DBZ. My pride will never recover.

[Optimystik]

I'm seriously discussing DBZ. My pride will never recover.

It's not a bad anime, you know. It gets flak primarily because of [Executive Meddling], not because Toriyama made a bad show.

a) He had intended to have Goku [Killed Off For Real] after the Cell games, and make the story about Gohan after that point, which would have been infinitely better than what we got. Goku's popularity scuppered that plan, never mind that it turned him into a [Canon/Purity Stu].

b) The ungodly amounts of filler were because the execs were unwilling to take a hiatus when they [Overtook The Manga], leading to situations like the infamous 5 minute/8+ episode destruction of Planet Namek fight.

Please, do yourself a favor and watch Dragonball Kai, which is the [Adaptation Distillation] of the original series - minus the filler - ending up much closer to Toriyama's vision than DBZ turned out to be.

(all phrases in [brackets] are Tropes, but I am [Too Good For This Sinful Earth] to actually link you there. ).

[Lord of Rapture]

I'm seriously discussing DBZ. My pride will never recover.

Wait. You had pride before?

[Tengu_temp]

It's not a bad anime, you know.

I know. Dragonball (and Z, and GT) was my first anime (at least at an age when I recognized the term "anime"), and my first manga as well. Doesn't stop it from being a serious case of Guilty Pleasure/Old Shame for me.

Wait. You had pride before?

More than one. I steal them from people, you see. That's what I'm gonna do right now too, after my old one is gone.

[Lord of Rapture]

More than one. I steal them from people, you see. That's what I'm gonna do right now too, after my old one is gone.

You. Stealing pride. From other people.

Ow. Brain bleach please.

[Prime32]

Toriyama always seems to get screwed by the execs. I know of one time, however, when the guys working with him went out of their way to do what he wanted. The result was Chrono Trigger, widely considered one of the greatest games ever made.

(not that Toriyama was the only reason for this - they had a lot of talented people on that project)

[Tengu_temp]

He also did the character designs for newer Dragon Quests, and several other good games. Though I didn't play any of them apart from Chrono Trigger.

You. Stealing pride. From other people.

Ow. Brain bleach please.

Being disturbed is a disgraceful emotion - each time it happens to you, a small part of your pride disappears. And where does it end up? It wanders to the thing/person that disturbed you, of course.

[Lord of Rapture]

Being disturbed is a disgraceful emotion - each time it happens to you, a small part of your pride disappears. And where does it end up? It wanders to the thing/person that disturbed you, of course.

Incorrect. Being disturbed means that you place yourself above that which disturbs you. Meaning that the opposite action, in which pride is transferred from the disturber to the disturbed, in fact, occurs.

[Drolyt]

Seriously discussing DBZ shouldn't hurt your pride. That doesn't even compare to some of the things I've actually seriously discussed... let's not get into to that. At any rate Dragon Ball was actually pretty good. Whether it was the first anime I saw depends on whether 80s shows that bore no resemblance to their source material count. Was Speed Racer 80s? I loved Speed Racer, does that count as Anime? Anyways I guess the best explanation for Ginyuu not stealing Frieza's body was fear.

[Piedmon_Sama]

It's probably too late and AT doesn't care much anymore, but it'd be amazing if they did something like X-Men Forever for Dragonball. Go back to the moment when editorial control went off the rails (what was supposed to be Goku's death fighting Freeza), and do everything the way AT wanted (unless what he wanted was to just end it there, I guess).

[Cubey]

It's probably too late and AT doesn't care much anymore, but it'd be amazing if they did something like X-Men Forever for Dragonball. Go back to the moment when editorial control went off the rails (what was supposed to be Goku's death fighting Freeza), and do everything the way AT wanted (unless what he wanted was to just end it there, I guess).

Isn't that roughly what Dragonball Kai is all about?

[Emperor Ing]

The way I see it, Ginyu and Frieza go back a long way, is it a possibility maybe they are actually friends? Or maybe they have sort of a "I scratch your back you scratch mine" arrangement.

The way that Ginyu might benefit from this is that Frieza attracts really powerful enemies, and Ginyu steals up their bodies, bolstering his power level. As such I conclude that the lavendar veiney-headed horn guy is certainly not Ginyu's original body. To reinforce my point I go back to me watching the older episodes from the Namek saga literally a few minutes ago, when Ginyu told Jaice "the stronger he is the better" and Jaice immediately got the clue, it can be interpreted that this isn't the first time he's done that.

[Piedmon_Sama]

Isn't that roughly what Dragonball Kai is all about?

The manga had editorial interferance in the story, not just the anime. Kai is essentially the manga, so it would be different to go with AT's original plan.

[Drolyt]

It's probably too late and AT doesn't care much anymore, but it'd be amazing if they did something like X-Men Forever for Dragonball. Go back to the moment when editorial control went off the rails (what was supposed to be Goku's death fighting Freeza), and do everything the way AT wanted (unless what he wanted was to just end it there, I guess).

He's not doing that, but I have heard that he is working on a project to make a DB MMO, which will supposedly be canon and explain what happened after the Buu Saga. At any rate I don't think Goku was supposed to be dead so much as it was supposed to end like Cowboy Bebop; he might be dead, but we will never know. What happened after was how he wanted, it's just that what he would have rather done is stopped there and worked on something else, but the Yen Printing Machine that was Dragon Ball wouldn't let him. He still does various projects, it's just that they are either not as famous as Dragon Ball or else he only does the artwork (eg Dragon Quest).

[Flickerdart]

Maybe Ginyu already did steal Frieza's body? Say, Frieza found some awesome enemy, so they subdued him together, then Ginyu switched with him and then switched with Frieza.

[Emperor Ing]

Maybe Ginyu already did steal Frieza's body? Say, Frieza found some awesome enemy, so they subdued him together, then Ginyu switched with him and then switched with Frieza.

That would require some REALLY confusing and overly complex body switching involving Cooler and King Cold.

[Drolyt]

Maybe Ginyu already did steal Frieza's body? Say, Frieza found some awesome enemy, so they subdued him together, then Ginyu switched with him and then switched with Frieza.

Why the hell would he do that?

[Prime32]

Why the hell would he do that?

Because Frieza knew the way to the Ice Cream Planet.

Also: "The Ginyu Force arrive", Dragonball Kai version

[Mikeavelli]

Little known Fact:

There's one of the SNES Dragon Ball Z games that's very RPGish. It goes all the way through the Freiza Saga, and includes the fight with the Ginyu Force.

It's possible to manipulate that section in such a way as to keep Goku in the Captain Ginyu body with the CHANGE! ability after that fight. Soon after, you fight Freiza with him.

You can then take Freiza's body.

The game starts to **** bricks shortly afterwards.

[Emperor Ing]

Why would you need to take frieza's body when you can just use the Dance of Joy to incapacitate him?

[Dr.Epic]

So why did he never try to switch places with Frieza?

Because he was too happy being stuck in a frog's body, duh.

[Prime32]

Another possibility: Ginyu did not try to steal Frieza's body because he was in love with him.

Such lovely balls. I want to caress them.

[Drolyt]

Because he was too happy being stuck in a frog's body, duh.

Actually after he became a frog he could no longer use the ability because he needed to speak. It might make a funny ova for Ginyuu to finally figure out how to use it without speaking and steal Buu's body or something.

[Drolyt]

Another possibility: Ginyu did not try to steal Frieza's body because he was in love with him.

Gouging... out... eyes... tearing... eardrums... committing... suicide... upon... finding... that... in... the... afterlife... I... am... still... cognizant... of... horrible... mental... image... committing... deicide... ultimate... genocide... destruction... of... soul... and... all... reality........................................... ............................................

[Prime32]

Again with the f**king eyes! Oh God, it's worse than that time I walked in on Frieza in the shower!

...Wait a minute, Frieza's always naked.

GAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

[Drolyt]

Well, at least when I was a kid I thought Frieza was a chick till someone corrected me. I mean really, how is a monster that effeminate a dude? It even has an effeminate voice in both English and Japanese. Damn crossdressing aliens. Is android 18 the only female villain in the whole series?

[Prime32]

Well, at least when I was a kid I thought Frieza was a chick till someone corrected me. I mean really, how is a monster that effeminate a dude? It even has an effeminate voice in both English and Japanese. Damn crossdressing aliens.

*cough* Orochimaru *cough*

And Frieza has the same Japanese voice as Captain Mayuri Kurotsuchi from Bleach.

[Drolyt]

*cough* Orochimaru *cough*

And Frieza has the same Japanese voice as Captain Mayuri Kurotsuchi from Bleach.

Orochimaru pulls off the creepy though. As does Mayuri. And that one villain from InuYasha, who I also thought was a chick. Frieza isn't really scary or creepy no matter how you look at it, so the only possible explanation is that he likes to cross dress.

[Flickerdart]

Why the hell would he do that?

Because it's there?

[Drolyt]

Because it's there?

Seriously, if I had Frieza's power for even a moment I wouldn't trade it for Ginyuu's power. Although maybe King Cold was there and made him do it...