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Masterwork and Magic Arms & Armor That Don't Make Me Cry Myself to Sleep at Night
Here are some alternate rules for masterwork and magic equipment for your D&D 3.5 game.
Masterwork Equipment
Adding the Masterwork quality to a weapon or armor gives it an enhancement bonus (to attack and damage for weapons; to AC and max dex for armor) and costs extra GP as follows:
+1 - 1000gp
+2 - 6000gp
+3 - 13000gp
+4 - 24000gp
+5 - 35000gp
For each +1 enhancement bonus, increase the Craft DC of a given weapon or armor by 4. Crafting Masterwork items requires only as much additional time over their normal counterparts as 1/10 the GP value of the enhancement bonus.
Masterwork equipment also has a number of enchant slots equal to the enhancement bonus, for example, a +3 Longsword would have three enchant slots.
Masterwork weapons, despite having an enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls, are not magic weapons and do not overcome DR/magic. Likewise, they cannot hurt incorporeal creatures.
Masterwork armor also reduces the armor check penalty of the worn armor by an amount equal to the enhancement bonus.
Magic Equipment
Magical properties may be added to any masterwork weapon or armor, taking up one of the item's enchant slots for each property added, by spending an amount of gold equal to the the property's effective enhancement bonus. Magical properties may be suppressed by a Dispel Magic effect (check each property separately), or removed entirely by a Break Enchantment effect (1 casting for each property).
A weapon or armor with one or more magical properties is considered a magic item. Any effect generated by a magic weapon property is considered a spell-like ability and is subject to Spell Resistance. The wielder of a magic weapon checks against SR using his character level as his effective caster level, or his actual caster level, whichever is higher.
The wielder of a magic weapon checks SR only once for each property. If he successfully penetrates a creature's SR, his property always effects that creature. If he fails to penetrate a creature's SR, his property never effects that creature.
To add a magical property to a weapon or armor a character must possess the Craft Magic Arms & Armor feat.
There is no ceiling to the total effective enhancement bonus an item may have (typically non-Epic characters aren't allowed to have items better than +10, but that doesn't apply to these rules).
Magical Properties
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Energy Resistance
Type: Armor or Shield
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Resist Energy
Effect: When you add this property to an armor choose a type of energy (Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire, Force, Negative, Positive, etc). An item with this property grants its wearer Resistance 5 + wearer's level (max 10) against that type of energy.
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Energy Resistance, Improved
Type: Armor or Shield
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 7, Resist Energy
Effect: When you add this property to an armor choose a type of energy (Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire, Force, Negative, Positive, etc). An item with this property grants its wearer Resistance 10 + wearer's level (max 20) against that type of energy.
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Energy Resistance, Greater
Type: Armor or Shield
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 11, Resist Energy
Effect: When you add this property to an armor choose a type of energy (Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire, Force, Negative, Positive, etc). An item with this property grants its wearer Resistance 15 + wearer's level against that type of energy.
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Energy Immunity
Type: Armor or Shield
Price: +5 bonus
Create: Caster level 15, Energy Immunity
Effect: When you add this property to an armor choose a type of energy (Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire, Force, Negative, Positive, etc). An item with this property grants its wearer Immunity to the chosen energy type (without also inflicting any vulnerability that may normally be associated with that Immunity).
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Arrow Catching
Type: Shield
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Entropic Shield
Effect: A shield with this property automatically blocks the first successful ranged attack made against the wielder each round as a free action. This property has no effect against unusual projectiles such as siege weapons or ray attacks.
Arrow Eater
Type: Shield
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 7, Protection from Arrows
Effect: A shield with this property automatically blocks the first successful ranged attack made against the wielder by each enemy, each round, as a free action. Furthermore, anytime an enemy within Medium range (100ft + 10ft/level) makes a ranged attack, the wielder of the shield may, as a free action, force that enemy to attack him (Will negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier). This property has no effect against unusual projectiles such as siege weapons or ray attacks.
Fortification
Type: Armor
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 11, Stoneskin
Effect: Armor with this property grants its wearer a 50% chance to avoid critical hits and precision damage (such as Skirmish, Sneak Attack, or Sudden Strike).
Fortification, Greater
Type: Armor
Price: +5 bonus
Create: Caster level 15, Iron Body
Effect: Armor with this property grants its wearer Immunity to critical hits and precision damage (such as Skirmish, Sneak Attack, or Sudden Strike).
Ghost Touch
Type: Any
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Bless
Effect: An item with this property may be picked up, held, worn, and/or wielded by incorporeal or ethereal creatures. Ghost Touch equipment is equally effective against incorporeal and corporeal creatures, and ethereal and material creatures. A Ghost Touch item may pass harmlessly through solid objects or corporeal creatures at its wearer/wielder's whim.
A weapon with this property suffers no chance to miss incorporeal creatures and extends into the ethereal plane like a force effect.
Armor or shields with this property apply their bonus to AC against the attacks of incorporeal or ethereal creatures, and also against incorporeal touch attacks.
Spell Resistance
Type: Armor
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Sanctuary
Effect: Armor with this property grants its wearer SR 12 + 1/2 level.
Spell Resistance, Improved
Type: Armor
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 9, Spell Resistance
Effect: Armor with this property grants its wearer SR 15 + level.
Spell Immunity
Type: Armor
Price +5 bonus
Create: Caster level 17, Greater Spell Immunity
Effect: Armor with this property grants its wearer unconditional Spell Immunity. Unlike Spell Resistance, this Spell Immunity does interfere with the wearer's own spells, items, and abilities. This Immunity does not apply to the armor itself or its properties (including this property).
Blinding
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 7, Blindness/Deafness
Effect: A weapon with this property can Blind creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Fort negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier) for 5 rounds.
Chromatic Surge
Type: Weapon
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Lesser Energy SurgePHB2
Effect: When you add this property to a weapon choose Cold, Electricity, or Fire. A weapon with this property deals 1d6 additional damage of the chosen type of energy, +1 per wielder level (max 1d6+5).
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Chromatic Surge, Improved
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 7, Energy SurgePHB2
Effect: When you add this property to a weapon choose Cold, Electricity, or Fire. A weapon with this property deals 2d6 additional damage of the chosen type of energy, +1 per wielder level (max 2d6+10).
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Chromatic Surge, Greater
Type: Weapon
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 13, Greater Energy SurgePHB2
Effect: When you add this property to a weapon choose Cold, Electricity, or Fire. A weapon with this property deals 3d6 additional damage of the chosen type of energy, +1 per wielder level.
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Ragnarok
Type: Weapon
Price: +5 bonus
Create: Caster level 17, Disintegrate
Effect: When you add this property to a weapon choose Cold, Electricity, or Fire. The wielder of a weapon with this property ignores Resistance to the chosen energy type up to a value equal to his level and treats Immunity to the chosen energy type as Resistance 35. Additionally, the weapon deals 4d6 additional damage of the chosen type of energy, +1 per wielder level.
Special: This property may be added to an item more than once. Each time it is added beyond the first, choose a new energy type.
Defending
Type: Weapon
Price: +1 bonus
Create: Caster level 3, Shield of Faith
Effect: A weapon with this property adds its enhancement bonus to AC as a Dodge bonus. This bonus applies even when the wielder is denied his Dexterity bonus to AC, but only applies while the weapon is in hand. This property may only be added to a light or one-handed melee weapon.
Disruption
Type: Weapon
Price: +4 bonus
Create: Caster level 13, Disrupting Weapon
Effect: A weapon with this property may destroy non-living creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Will negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier). Even on a successful save the struck creature is dealt 2d6 additional damage, +1 per wielder level (max 2d6+10).
Thundering
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 7, Sound Burst
Effect: A weapon with this property may Deafen creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Fort negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier) for 5 rounds. Even on a successful save the struck creature is dealt 1d6 additional sonic damage, +1 per wielder level (max 1d6+5).
Forceful
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 9, Battering RamSC
Effect: A weapon with this property may cause creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 to be Blown Away (Fort negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier). Even on a successful save the struck creature is dealt 1d6 additional force damage, +1 per wielder level (max 1d6+5).
Venomous
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 11, Poison
Effect: A weapon with this property may Poison creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Fort negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier) causing 1d6 initial Strength damage and 1d6 secondary Constitution damage. Even on a successful save the struck creature is dealt 1d6 additional acid damage, +1 per wielder level (max 1d6+5). A creature cannot be Poisoned by this property more than once at a time.
Sleepstriking
Type: Weapon
Price: +2 bonus
Create: Caster level 9, Deep Slumber
Effect: A weapon with this property may Fatigue creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Will negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier) for 1 round. A Fatigued creature that fails this save is Exhausted for 1 round. An Exhausted creature that fails this save falls asleep as the Sleep spell (no HD limit) for 1 minute per wielder level.
Stunning
Type: Weapon
Price: +3 bonus
Create: Caster level 13, Symbol of Stunning
Effect: A weapon with this property may Stun creatures its wielder hits with an attack1 (Will negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier) for 1 round.
Deathstroke
Type: Weapon
Price: +5 bonus
Create: Caster level 17, Finger of Death
Effect: A weapon with this property may instantly slay any living creature its wielder hits with an attack1 (Fort negates, DC 10 + 1/2 wielder level + wielder's Charisma modifier). This is a Death attack. Even on a successful save the struck creature is dealt 3d6 additional negative energy damage, +1 per wielder level.
1 - The attack must deal at least 1 hit point damage to trigger a saving throw against the property's effect.
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Enhance Armor
(Replaces Magic Vestment)
Transmutation
Level: Clr 1, Pal 1, Sor/Wiz 1, War 1
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Touch
Target: 1 suit or armor, or 1 shield
Duration: 1 minute
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
Enhance Armor gives an armor or shield a +1 enhancement bonus to AC and maximum Dexterity bonus. This bonus increases by 1 at caster level 8th, 12th, 16th, and 20th. For every point of enhancement bonus gained the armor or shield's armor check penalty is also reduced by 1.
This does not stack with a masterwork armor or shield's enhancement bonus, nor does it grant the targeted armor or shield enchant slots.
An outfit of regular clothing counts as armor that grants no AC bonus for the purpose of this spell.
Enhance Weapon
(Replaces Magic Weapon and Greater Magic Weapon)
Transmutation
Level: Clr 1, Dru 1, Pal 1, Sor/Wiz 1, War 2 (bump Spiritual Weapon to War 3)
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Touch
Target: 1 weapon, or up to 50 projectiles
Duration: 1 minute
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
Enhance Weapon gives a weapon a +1 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls. This bonus increases by 1 at caster level 8th, 12th, 16th, and 20th.
This does not stack with a masterwork weapon’s enhancement bonus, nor does it grant the targeted weapon enchant slots.
Alternatively, you can affect as many as fifty arrows, bolts, or bullets. The projectiles must be of the same kind, and they have to be together (in the same quiver or other container). Projectiles, but not thrown weapons, lose their transmutation when used. (Treat shuriken as projectiles, rather than as thrown weapons, for the purpose of this spell.)
You may use this spell on both natural weapons and manufactured weapons.
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Aboleth Mucus, Adamantite, Admixture Core, Amber, Anarchic Core, Angel Feather, Angelfire, Ankheg Egg, Animus Corpus, Astral Essence, Automata Gear, Axiom Core
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Balefire, Balor Nimbus, Beast Claw, Beast Fang, Beast Flesh, Beast Pelt, Black Fang, Black Vulcan
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Chalcedony, Concussive Force, Copper Ore, Corrosive Jelly, Crocodile Tears
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Demon Fang, Demon Heart, Devil Claw, Devil Heart, Dragon Bile, Dragon Blood, Dragon Bone, Dragon Claw, Dragon Fang, Dragon Flesh, Dragon Heart, Dragonscale, Dragon Skull, Dragon Wing, Dryad Bark, Dryad Blossom
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Ectoplasm, Ether
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Fardeep Filth, Fish Scales, Flare Core, Frost Core
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Galvanic Core, Giant's Tooth, Glacial Core, Gold Ore, Golden Ice, Gorgon's Eye
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Hag Eye, Hard Case, Hoarfrost
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Infernal Ash, Iron Ore
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Kraken Shell
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Lifebolt, Lizardskin
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Magewright Core, Magical Clay, Mithril Ore, Momento Mori
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Necrotic Bile, Necrotic Claw, Necrotic Flesh, Nectar, Nymph's Flesh, Nymph's Heart
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Ocean's Core, Orichalcon
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Phoenix Pinion, Phylactery, Plasma Core, Platinum Ore, Poison Fang
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Radiant Core, Rainbow Scales, Royal Jelly
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Screechbox, Silver Ore, Slime Jelly, Soft Stone, Solar Corona, Sonic Boom, Sorcerer's Stone, Stardust, Storm Core
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Tentacle, Terra Core
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Umbral Core, Unicorn Horn
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Vampire Fang, Vampire Wing
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Weretooth
Z
Zephyr Core, Zombie Brain
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Re: Masterwork and Magic Arms & Armor That Don't Make Me Cry Myself to Sleep at Night
I'm not entirely comfortable with this part. If you remove the part about DR and maybe add a minimum threshold for hitting the incorporeal, I think it would function a lot better — as is, this system provides a limited way to avoid WBL and the magic marts for both the DM and the players without the use of Crafting feats. I like that function, and I feel there's no need to penalize it.
Good call. Maybe 1/2 the bonus to maximum dexterity bonus?
This is going to slow down gameplay. A lot. And it makes most magic properties on weapons less useful to fighters than they are to gishes, so you might want to change it from "caster level" to "character level."
I'm tempted to say this should go, and be replaced with a higher echelon of the Craft skill. You're limiting magic items pretty extensively like this, so you don't necessarily have to worry about associated breakage problems.
Individual magic properties look mostly good, although the ones with saves are still going to cause gameplay slowdown.Originally Posted by KKL
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I'm not penalizing anything. In the existing rules non-magical weapons can't harm incorporeals. This doesn't change that, but it does make non-magical weapons more effective across the board.
Maybe 1/2 the bonus to maximum dexterity bonus?
This is going to slow down gameplay. A lot.
And it makes most magic properties on weapons less useful to fighters than they are to gishes, so you might want to change it from "caster level" to "character level."
I'm tempted to say this should go, and be replaced with a higher echelon of the Craft skill. You're limiting magic items pretty extensively like this, so you don't necessarily have to worry about associated breakage problems.
Individual magic properties look mostly good, although the ones with saves are still going to cause gameplay slowdown.Homebrew
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This is true, and I was a little unclear: I kind of think you should change that. At the very least, I feel this should overcome magic DR.
No, I just missed that part. Carry on.
Not sure it does, actually. An attack already has to pass AC, and now it also has to pass SR to get its full effects? That feels like hitting melee with the nerfbat, to me.
It is clear now, thank you.
I'm suggesting that you may want to remove the need for a feat, at least for weapons and armor, and bring it under the umbrella of craft checks. Since you're creating new enchantments, you don't have to worry about breakage potential therein.Last edited by gkathellar; 2011-11-07 at 07:29 AM.
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I'd rather not, personally.
Not sure it does, actually. An attack already has to pass AC, and now it also has to pass SR to get its full effects? That feels like hitting melee with the nerfbat, to me.
Since you're creating new enchantments, you don't have to worry about breakage potential therein.
Ideally, a system more like FFXd20's item creation would be in place, allowing characters to use magic/alchemical items obtained from enemies (bomb cores, antarctic winds, electro marbles, etc) to craft magic items, but D&D doesn't work like that.Last edited by Ziegander; 2011-11-07 at 07:38 AM.
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This looks interesting. Also, now every melee is going to want expert followers. Enough aid anothers and the swords wil just fly out. As for the enhancements, I could see boosting the power. They need to beat SR, and most of them need a saveing throw. So more like 1/2 charicter level d6+1/level
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Re: Masterwork and Magic Arms & Armor That Don't Make Me Cry Myself to Sleep at Night
Greater fortification - I'm pretty sure it's little to strong. Make it grand the wearer a 75% chance to avoid critical hit and precision damage.
I also believe you should step up the caster level requirements for improved and greater Chromatic Surge to (at least) respectively 7th and 11th level.Man is by nature a social animal; an individual who is unsocial naturally and not accidentally is either beneath our notice or more than human. (...) Anyone who (...) does not partake of society is either a beast or a god.
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Energy Immunity should probably use the Energy Immunity spell (Spell Compendium 80).
I appreciate that you've given Defending a named bonus, though I think it would be better as a Competence bonus than a Shield bonus, due to a) it provides a new nerf where Animated was for shields, which need no nerfing and b) you don't have to provide an exception to make sure it applies to touch AC, any AC bonus that isn't Armor, Shield or Natural Armor by default applies to touch.
Does Sleepstriking have a HD limit, as it references the Sleep spell, which naturally has one. I'm thinking you probably didn't, since you reference Deep Slumber for creating it.
Otherwise, seems a bit more functional, though I'm not sure how well Ragnarok will work, since the reducing Immunity to High Resistance is still likely not to hurt the target except somewhere in Epic levels. Not sure about basing all save DCs off of Cha is necessarily the best route, either, as that'll add MAD to classes that don't need it and tend to favor certain classes that already have Cha as a main stat. I appreciate the saves advancing so they stay relevant or even become relevant in the first place, I'd just revert to something like Con or give a choice about the stat to use.
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Greater Fortification normally grants immunity rather than 75% resistance. I'm not interested in nerfing the property.
I also believe you should step up the caster level requirements for improved and greater Chromatic Surge to (at least) respectively 7th and 11th level.
Good point.
I appreciate that you've given Defending a named bonus, though I think it would be better as a Competence bonus than a Shield bonus[...]
Does Sleepstriking have a HD limit, as it references the Sleep spell, which naturally has one. I'm thinking you probably didn't, since you reference Deep Slumber for creating it.
Otherwise, seems a bit more functional, though I'm not sure how well Ragnarok will work, since the reducing Immunity to High Resistance is still likely not to hurt the target except somewhere in Epic levels.
Not sure about basing all save DCs off of Cha is necessarily the best route, either, as that'll add MAD to classes that don't need it and tend to favor certain classes that already have Cha as a main stat. I appreciate the saves advancing so they stay relevant or even become relevant in the first place, I'd just revert to something like Con or give a choice about the stat to use.Homebrew
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The problem with making it a dodge bonus is that it runs into the same problem the old Defending had, as you can just stack Defending weapons with Armor Spikes, Shield Spikes, the Shield itself, the weapon, Braid Blades, etc into a stupid amount of AC. There's also the light nitpick that Dodge bonuses are never supposed to be granted by spells or magic items precisely because Dodge bonuses stack. While its nice and all to support TWFers, reopening that can of worms just leads to problems and exploits.
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Total magic immunity on armor is definitely a needed option, but I'd suggest that such an immunity should apply even against personal-range spells cast by the wearer, and should persist for 1 minute after the armor is removed. Otherwise, such armor becomes essentially an item-based cheater of mystra for any class, and allows a variety of exploits around using called armor and other tricks to don or remove the armor as a swift or free action.
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is this true immunity to magic, or golem level immunity to magic (infinite spell resistance). what I'm asking is, can someone wearing this armor walk through a wall of force?
also, is this system replacing the old weapon/armor system, or supplementing it with new options? personally, i think something like this should be a replacement.78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
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It's golem style immunity. If you follow the link it explains.
also, is this system replacing the old weapon/armor system, or supplementing it with new options? personally, i think something like this should be a replacement.
I'm not sure I understand your concern. You're afraid spellcasters will gain access to a new option for gaining and dodging spell immunity? I'm afraid I don't know what exploits you're talking about.Homebrew
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As you said, magic immunity is simply unbeatable spell resistance. From the DMG, "A creature’s spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities." On golems, magic immunity is a tolerable fair power because golems are simple, unsophisticated combatants. However, a character in magic-immune armor is free to buff itself via spells, spell-like abilities, and items that create spell effects, while remaining immune to virtually all debuffs and magical action-denial strategies. I judge that kind of lop-sided treatment to be undesirable. If you remove the normal ability to ignore your own spell resistance, you do little to no harm to martial characters, but place a significant limit on what a full caster can do in this armor. Which I judge to be a good thing.
If a player acquires the ability to get in and our of his magic-immune gear without burning actions, then he can, for example, become targetable by allied spells, receive from an ally who readies to cast healing, then restore his immunity, all without becoming vulnerable to enemy spellcasting. Essentially, it would become possible to gain the benefits of magic immunity while mitigating or avoiding its drawbacks.Last edited by jiriku; 2011-11-08 at 01:30 PM.
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To be fair, no-sr spells can be used offensively too....
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Subclasses for 5E: magus of blades, shadowcraft assassin, spellthief, void disciple
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Why not the character's choice of mental stat then? I've never played a character in my life who didn't have at least one good mental stat.
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Allows for three types of flavour for the way you work it too, one fighter may use force of personality whilst another uses careful introspection. Just a thoughtLast edited by Veklim; 2011-11-10 at 09:29 AM.
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Appears to have the same problems yet, since Dodge bonuses still natively stack, armor and shield spikes are light weapons, plus the random other weapons you have that you can use to give yourself stupid AC for a small investment. What needs to be done is to change the bonus type to one that doesn't natively stack. Hence why I suggested Competence, being the one that makes the most sense (since its the bonus type that literally tells you how to do things so that you're better at it, in this case where to put the weapon to best defend against attack), can be granted by magic (Dodge bonuses cannot, or at least aren't supposed to) and doesn't conflict with other common AC bonus types (so if you want to make a defensive build, you don't have to deal with conflicting items providing the same bonus type). You also don't have to make exceptions for it like shield and dodge have required.
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The dodge bonus only applies while you are holding the weapon, so armor spikes is out and so are your "random other weapons." Shield spikes and a one-handed weapon can stack, sure. And, actually, I'm not sure I even want that restriction. How is 36,000gp for +5 stacking AC a small investment?
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Alright, so I missed the "in hand" bit. Subtle fix is subtle.
As for 'small investment,' you have the same tools to make it work cheaply, since all you need for defending is a +1 masterwork weapon, so its 2k a weapon. Enhance Weapon gets you the bonus you need, so 4k for +10 AC is a bargain. Invest in CL 20 Oils of Enhance Weapon or a Wand of Chain Enhance Weapon (CL 20) or just poke your local wizard and hand him a Pearl of Power (1st level) to buff your stuff with, which is now cheaper than it was, since they're 1st level, rather than 3rd, spells. Then you have your wizard work his way up with CL boosts and so on and so forth.
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Except Enhance Weapon only lasts 1 minute, so the cost of maintaining a +10 AC boost will add up surprisingly fast. Add, you still have to sacrifice offense for defense if that's what you want to do, because you'll be dual-wielding two +2 equivalent weapons for a dubiously cheap +10 to AC when you could be dual wielding +20 equivalent weapons or so.
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I found this extremely pragmatic - it's simple and it would work extremely well. Really nice for martial characters too; letting them buff up their weapons without needing a caster. Next campaign I run, I plan to use it as a houserule.
Quick questions - once a masterwork/magical weapon has been created, can additional enhancements be bought at a later date? Would it be possible for this to integrate with (or perhaps replace) legacy items?