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    Quote Originally Posted by baerdith View Post

    Seriously, the Bard is the ultimate class. He's part everything: some fighter, some rogue, some wizard, some cleric. A Bard is THE solo class....
    Uh, no.

    Fighter: No feats and the BAB of an NPC class.

    Rogue: Just skill points.

    Wizard: The only wizard bit is the classification (Arcane) of their spells.

    Cleric: Uh, which IS buffing and healing.

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    Thanks for the comic, Giant.

    Uhm... well, lucky Elan, I guess... so, the scry spell was Nale's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Thanks for the comic, Giant.

    Uhm... well, lucky Elan, I guess... so, the scry spell was Nale's?
    No, it was Z's. Nale's dewomer is yellow.
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    Karma-rific!

    This made me really laugh! And it's the second time Nale got someone wanting to beat the tar out of him for looking like Elan!
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    Thanks Giant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarion View Post
    There is something about this comic, however, that bothers me. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the pacing feels off somehow. Maybe because Nale splits up, Elan charges, falls, then frees Amun-Zora so quickly in succession. It's also possible that this strip will flow better either with the next strip or in the context of the book, but things felt like they moved too quickly here.
    I noticed too that this comic was quite fast-paced, but I don't see that as a bad thing.

    This is a swashbuckling action sequence. If it was in a cinematic format, it would be quite fast-paced too. Elan and Nale fight over a ledge, Elan falls, he has no time to lose getting stunned or confused because his brother is seconds away from jumping down on him, he search for a way to escape or get some help, pick up the key and sword from the lizardfolk guard off-panel...

    All the action we see is reduced to the essential, there's no lul and anything extraneous is just implied. The final result is that it looks like Elan got very good at thinking on the fly... it's not just that he has an excellent idea to deal with his twin, it's how fast he implements it that is impressive. And this need to be conveyed by a very fast-paced comic. It could have been shown as a two-pager, but the slower pacing would have been detrimental to the humor and the action-movie feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narwhal97 View Post
    Elan's already pulled a karma joke in a face-off with Nale!


    But in this twin fight there is, of course, a chance of Elan dying, which would steal Tarquin's ending for his best story ever. Would he want to take the chance of Nale, a disorganized buffoon, stealing his dramatic ending by setting them up in a brotherly duel?

    Fantastic comic, though! Way to go, Elan.
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    That was just perfect . I check back randomly after a important test and get to see Nale get what was coming to him.

    I especially like how Elan was trying to justify him defending tarquin to her .
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    I wonder if shes gonna hold her own against Nale. I believe she has a name somewhere. And a back story. Maybe plot armor will protect her...
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    Oh man, this one was funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwain View Post
    Oh Elan, why is your competence only situational?
    Because he's Elan.

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    Uauh! It´s just me, or Elan´s competence has been improved a lot since previous strips? He even outsmarts Nale repeatedly!
    Everybody outsmarts Nale. Including Nale.

    Quote Originally Posted by KoboldRevenge View Post
    I wonder if shes gonna hold her own against Nale. I believe she has a name somewhere. And a back story. Maybe plot armor will protect her...
    She's most likely a Fighter, and Nale is a victim of very unfavorable multiclassing. She also for some reason still has her armor, despite being in prison. I think Amun-Zora will be at the very least a credible threat.

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    So, uh, no pun in this comic title? "Bound to Happen."

    I was expecting someone to be tied up, at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridureyu View Post
    If that woman dies, there shall be many "Elan is evil" threads.
    All too true.

    Definitely go Elan.

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    I wonder if Amun-Zora will be able do disengage with Nale without getting killed...
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    I think somewhere between strips Elan must have found item grantin bonus to intelligence ability
    Or, as he said at dinner with his Dad, he's simply started thinking once in a while. Thinking about things, even a little bit, is bound to help how smart he appears and acts.

    He even outsmarts Nale repeatedly!
    Well, Nale isn't actually that bright. I mean, he's not an utter dimwit, and it's hard to imagine him running around naked on the grounds that it made him invisible, but he's not nearly as clever as he thinks.

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    Even if he happens to win the upper hand against Amun-Zora, Nale has more urgent things to do than to deal with someone who has mistaken him as the son of Tarquin*. Like, stopping his twin from spoiling his grand plans.

    *I mean, mistaken him as the OTHER son of Tarquin... not that Amun-Zora really cares wich son of Tarquin she gets to kill, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pilgrim View Post
    *I mean, mistaken him as the OTHER son of Tarquin... not that Amun-Zora really cares wich son of Tarquin she gets to kill, of course.
    She might if she figures out that one of them wants to KILL Tarquin instead of aid him... the enemy of my enemy, and all that.
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    I'm still trying to figure out how level drain works under the current rules. Back in the day (1st edition?), when a level-draining monster hit you, they were just gone, right off the top, latest ones first. If you survived and didn't get turned into an undead monster, you had to make them back the regular way.

    Such monsters were (justly) feared - not just because of their immunities, but because they basically ate/undid play time. Weeks and/or months of it.

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    Come on Nale, overestimating Elan's intelligence again? How did he now Elan was in the desert though? Hmmm...He knew where they were looking from his impersonation of Elan right?EDIT: Oh wait, Z, nevermind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red XIV View Post
    She's most likely a Fighter, and Nale is a victim of very unfavorable multiclassing. She also for some reason still has her armor, despite being in prison. I think Amun-Zora will be at the very least a credible threat.
    She may not realize it yet, but isn't she the fiancee of Tarquin? So she is much less likely to be stripped down and treated like a typical prisoner. She is just locked up to be given a chance to "calm down", so to speak...

    Given that the number of levels seem to correlate with social status, Amun-Zora is probably pretty competent. Not a match for Tarquin, but it would not be surprising if she is a close match for Nale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StClair View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out how level drain works under the current rules.
    Well, I don't know about current (4.0) rules, but because OotS mostly follows 3.5 rules, you can read the 3.5 version on the SRD:
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    Basically, you get hit by a bunch of penalties that simulate losing a level. After 24 hours, you make a fortitude save against each negative level (DC depends on how the negative level got applied). For each save you fail, you lose an actual level.

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    You know....I can't help but think that this whole mess Nale now finds himself in could have been avoided if he had just remembered a few strips back that he owns Rocket Skates....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbetieh View Post
    You know....I can't help but think that this whole mess Nale now finds himself in could have been avoided if he had just remembered a few strips back that he owns Rocket Skates....
    Sorry, Hinjo took those. Something about Argent wanting to fly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing_Fox View Post
    So, uh, no pun in this comic title? "Bound to Happen."

    I was expecting someone to be tied up, at the very least.
    In the penultimate panel, Amun-Zora seems to bounding toward Nale. You can also say Nale bounded at Elan in the panel before that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing_Fox View Post
    So, uh, no pun in this comic title? "Bound to Happen."

    I was expecting someone to be tied up, at the very least.
    It wasn't a pun, but it refers to the fact that having an evil twin beniffiting you is "bound to happen" some time, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    In the penultimate panel, Amun-Zora seems to bounding toward Nale. You can also say Nale bounded at Elan in the panel before that.
    Ha. Very good - let's go with that!

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    Everybody outsmarts Nale. Including Nale.
    Especially Nale.

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    I love it! Literally laughed out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing_Fox View Post
    So, uh, no pun in this comic title? "Bound to Happen."

    I was expecting someone to be tied up, at the very least.
    I recommend reading the comic title _after_ you've read the comic. That's what I do, and I often get an additional chuckle from the caption. It doesn't work the other way, then it's just a spoiler.

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