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2019-05-07, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Something to mention, the clan council meeting doesn't seem like it's part of regular Dwarven Law, but it's own specific thing, and it wouldn't surprise me if an organization full of old people who would most likely not care to change things had a rule book full of still full of old arcane rules.
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2019-05-07, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
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2019-05-07, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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(Assume I said something clever about missing the "s" in my name.)
I did miss that post of terodil's, and it's an interesting point: If the dwarves do have a general law about tampering with the vote, but it calls for detecting/reporting/adjudicating/something-ing that can't be done at the meeting itself, then that's a loophole as far as the vampires are concerned: They don't have to outrun the dwarven legal system, they just have to outrun the destruction of the world (and the dwarven legal system with it). To that end, the dwarves very well could have such a general law.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2019-05-07, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2019-05-07, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
The feeling I'm getting is that the government-by-clan-chiefes got toppled and a different one based around a parliment got established but that like, say, in the Roman Empire the old system (clan chief/senate) was never officially disolved, it just stopped having any power, other than status and occasionally having to vote on whatever Dvalin feels he needs to ask. Status being important in its own right, it was an easy way to keep the clan chiefs happy even after political power was taken away from them.
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2019-05-07, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Air Bud: The rulebook doesn't say a dog can't okay basketball. So it must be okay.
Vampires: The rulebook doesn't say dominating people is against the rules, so it must be okay.
Both are facially ridiculous situations. Both are based on something that does occur (a law that enumerates only things that are specifically banned and does not include any sort of reasonable person catch all or unlisted exception). In what way is this a vast misrepresentation of your point? If you take exception to it because it's belittling, I actually liked the first Air Bud. It's still kind of a ridiculous situation, as mentioned within the narrative. (Ridiculous and breaks suspension of disbelief are not the same here).
I don't really have any issue with that! I don't feel strongly about the issue itself within the story. I agree, that's completely possible.
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2019-05-07, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would like to establish that you have roughly infinite more knowledge and experience than I here, but I still doubt most law (except maaaaaaaaaybe criminal law) is simple enough for the lay person to be able to follow it. And even criminal law I have my doubts on, thanks in no small part to Harvey Silverglate and Alexandra Natapoff.
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2019-05-07, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Vampires willfully depriving themselves of unlife, and their food sources, strikes me as profoundly against their own self interest. Mostly on target with that (I am very familiar with that campaign) as well as some other things.
The Germans/Wehrmacht had a particular vigor in execution that is, from an objective military perspective, quite admirable and impressive. Far more importantly, they (1) were ahead of the French in Command and Control techniques of combined arms warfare, and (2) practiced a thing called Auftragstaktik which allowed for a lot of decentarilized execution of orders while the French were far more centralized for that campaign. This allowed the Wehrmacht to "get inside the French decision cycle" which decision making model we see once again a generation later with John Boyd's treatise in tactical air-to-air combat ... and that is still being taught in at least one major alliance's military doctrine ... (3) the Germans did a much better job of training for combined arms warfare (unifying the tactical application of combined air, armor, infantry, and artillery) even though the best medium tank in the world, at that time, was of French manufacture.
All of that let to not just the Ardennes piece working well beyond even German expecations, but a number of other sectors haveing more favorable outcomes.
Sorry for the derail.
I could swear that we have seen this post and this point of reference before in the not too distant past. And I think it's roughly on track.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2019-05-07 at 03:29 PM.
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2019-05-07, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't really have much to add to the discussion, but I just wanted to say that the fact someone seriously brought up the "Air Bud exception" in a debate about a stick figure comic is one of the many reasons I keep coming back to this forum. A hundred internets to you!
Also, they apparently made like 27 "Air Bud" sequels spanning multiple different sports. You'd think after the first movie people might amend the rules to say, "Dogs can't play [insert sport here]," but that's Hollywood, I guess.
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2019-05-07, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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The first movie is a fun, ridiculous romp that doesn't take itself too seriously but is also not overly campy to the point of annoying the viewer. I loved it as a kid and found it amusing as an adult watching it with my nephew.
I think I saw one of the sequels long ago, but I can't remember anything about it. Maybe I just saw the box art and went, "Nope!"
ETA: A quick search has revealed the sequel in question to be "Air Bud: Seventh Inning Fetch." I remember the raccoon (yes, a raccoon) and nothing else.Last edited by The Aboleth; 2019-05-07 at 03:49 PM.
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2019-05-07, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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All true...yet still more realistic than more people putting time and effort into finding out why their "easy" ideas aren't actually easy, when they can task other people to implement those ideas instead.
He's the OODA loop guy, right?FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2019-05-07, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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You'd think if they were going to take a cop-and-law show and reduce it just to a cop show, they'd at least get a cop good enough to rival Briscoe, but nope!
Oh, also, I think My Cousin Vinnie is the state film here. That counts as an entire class of trial prep, doesn't it?Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-05-07, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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A problem with any kind of law about when the Council decision is valid is that there must be a judge. Maybe Dvalin didn't want to be that judge because he feels it would invalidate his vow to follow all Council decisions if he could decide "this one is not valid". That would be kind of stupid in this concrete situation (IMO), but very lawful. Maybe there is an independent court installed, but I rather doubt it and in this case its decision would come too late anyway. My theory is that Dvalin said "let's try to prevent tampering as well as we can, and that's good enough".
If Dvalin would really abide by the decision to send all dwarves to Hel even if he knew that the Vampires dominated the clan elders is something we'll probably never know. Hel seems to think that either he would or that he won't know about the domination.Ares - Music and sounds system for roleplaying
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2019-05-07, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Air Bud thing always makes me think of my soccer referee training, where we were asked as a serious question "What if an emu escaped from the zoo and ran across the goal, blocking a shot from going in?" It was a thought exercise in "What do you do if the utterly ridiculous happens" that has stuck with me.
By the way, the answer was a drop ball where the shot was blocked. After you red card the emu and send it to the stands for unsportsmanlike behaviour.
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2019-05-07, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alright, then why do you feel I was quoting your argument when i said that terodil was arguing about an Air Bud exception in the law? Because... they are. That is literally what's in the original story we're discussing. That is what I believe is their very first post in the thread, the one I quoted, is talking about.
How else would you describe the original story element which we are discussing?
Or are you going to say it's a mischaracterization of the story as well?
If it's not a mischaracterization of the story that we're discussing, and it doesn't represent your point, it wasn't about your point but about the story we're discussing.
Emu are nothing if not unsportsmanlike.Last edited by AstralFire; 2019-05-07 at 04:17 PM.
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2019-05-07, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I see your emu shot-block and raise you one bird exploded by pitch:
https://youtu.be/1PyCpG06138
I think the umpire ended up calling that a fowl ball.
(I know, I'll see myself out.)
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2019-05-07, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Four words turned out to be three words.
Tarquin's defeat will be a mystery we'll never see.
Andi turned out to be a jealous and crazy teenager.
Andi don't know the ship's secret defense system.Spoiler
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2019-05-07, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-05-07, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-07, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I remain hopeful that Tarquin gets dealt with in a Scouring of the Shire scenario. He is my favorite villain in the strip; Xykon isn't very deep and while Mr. Burlew has done some fantastic things with Redcloak I'm just not that inherently interested in the Goblin story.
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2019-05-07, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-05-07, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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