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Thread: Murphy's Law 7: ...Maybe?
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2012-03-07, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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It depends on the particular racial substitution level,
In general they are a variant of normal classes that only members of certain race can take. They usually trade stuff for stuff, to continue with the Elven wizard substitution level, you trade the ability to specialize for extra spell known and an extra spell slot.
They also can modify stuff such as HD (from memory Dwarf fighters get d12 instead of d10) skill set (Elven wizards add search to their skill set) or even skill points per level (changeling rogues get 10 +int skill points per level); but these changes only apply on said level, does it makes sense?
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2012-03-08, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Technically, in that situation, the DM could simply say that the rod would have such a high relative speed (kilometers per second!) that the rod is torn apart/vaporized by the sheer amount of air friction caused. Or, if those arguments are rendered invalid by magic, you could simply tell them that the speed was so incredible that it only punched a neat rod-shaped hole through the door and any intercepting walls before the planet moved onward. That IS what tends to happen when you fling a relatively small projectile at a massive speed through an amorphous material like wood or stone - a BB gun punches holes in paper, but doesn't rip it.
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2012-03-08, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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The teleportation and immovable rod examples are making one major assumption about dungeons and dragons physics: that the "earth" or material plane moves like our earth. I know that a universe that uses different laws of physic are hard for most people to wrap their head around without defining each and every one and arguing them out, and I don't know what to say to that. What I can say is that as magic, or the manipulation of reality, is common place in D&D, it seems logical enough that other laws of reality may differ even if it doesn"t make sense.
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2012-03-08, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-08, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Personally, my view on the Immovable Rod is that the magic used to make it immobile uses the plane/planet as a reference point, in relation to which it can't be moved, which clears up the problem nicely, unless you come up with a way to make it use a different one (for example, setting it on another plane/planet, then using a Gate spell to move it to the desired one).
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2012-03-09, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-11, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Does the webcomic falls in Grey and Gray Morality, especially between Kago and Plavaan?
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2012-03-14, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-14, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think she means that you used far too much TVtropes terminology in your last post and secondly if my memory serves right, the Goblin Wizard just invented Cloudkill and therefore the Kagoans couldn't use it on their crops... (though why they didn't use Plant Growth is another matter entirely as it isn't a high level spell and one could guess they have access to a level 5 druid)
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2012-03-14, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't even know that spell existed. Still, another possible reason: They don't have enough druids to do it on a large scale. And even then there's pests, only so much that even fertilized land can support...Kago's a very craggy, mountainous country, and there's only so much fertile land.
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2012-03-14, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Making plants grow larger or better doesn't help much if they can't grow at all. They still die. 133% of 0 is still 0.
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2012-03-15, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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The key here is that Kago doesn't necessarily need to grow all the food required to support its population. It can let other countries do it and then trade with them. The problem is that the closest agricultural center to Kago is the Alaavan plains, and something tells me that Kagoan businessmen would resist trading with them at all costs. This would necessitate trading for food from much more distant lands, but that becomes exponentially more expensive.
So, of course, Kago's natural solution to this problem was to go to war with the Plaavan towns for their farmland. This won't completely fix their problem, though. As more young men and women are drafted into the army and more Plaavan flee the area, Kago reduces its ability to produce anything that could help it out at times when there is no war. Swords are of no use when you aren't fighting anything, and you would be stupid to sell all your leftover weapons to your neighbors who know your economy has been weakened by recent wars. As the prince pointed out, Kago is already starting to fall into the war-specialization pitfall - it doesn't export much else besides fish (which was probably something Kago was already really good at) and religious objects (a niche that is easy to over-saturate if an economy tries to rely on it exclusively).
Essentially, they get caught in this loop: not enough food --> go to war --> restructure economy --> less food produced --> not enough food. The Plaavans have presumably spent generations farming the plains and know exactly what they're doing in regards to agriculture. Kagoans, on the other hand, have no such experience, and considering how much time it is going to take for them to recover the land that the Plaavans destroyed as they fled, the trade-off of resources from wartime to peacetime is going to be massively inefficient for the first decade or so. Kago's war is only going to exhaust the economy before the country sees one of its worst economic depressions in history.
All because their religious beliefs led them to think that Plaavans should be killed instead of enslaved to work the land for Kago. Yes, that is a pretty gruesome solution, but it's the only option that could potentially work if Kago refuses to set up a fair trade system with the Plaavan. The ultimate win-win situation would be to let the Plaavan agriculture support them for a few years while they invested money into the production of ports, mines, and other production trades, then use the delayed gains of those resources to pay back their debts. But, this will not happen any time in the near future because the Kagoans would liken this to negotiating trade procedures with a tapeworm.Last edited by Alagaesian; 2012-03-15 at 08:16 AM.
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2012-03-15, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also, a good chunk of the Plavaan population is semi-nomadic.
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2012-03-15, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Do you get influence from Elderscrolls for Drow Race in Murphyverse?
1. They live in the swamps like Dunmers (Dark Elf) and Morrowind.
2. Don't have problems with the sun (like Dunmers).
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2012-03-15, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-16, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-16, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-17, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-17, 05:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's just not cool unidentified assailant!
You never bring a person's child into these kinds of things.
Hopefully the son doesn't grow up and make some kind of demonic pact in order to seek vengeance.
Edit: I really have no clue as to who it might be, but there's always the chance that the person in question merely desires to speak to Lord Murphy. Why and what about is, of course, a mystery. But still, frightening a child is just mean.Last edited by Elemental; 2012-03-17 at 05:47 AM.
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2012-03-17, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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pretty sure frightening a child was unintentional, from what I’m guessing either someone suspicious was wandering through the castle and knocked out a guard who spotted him, prompting another guard (who knew Murphy’s location) to call out for him,
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Someone specifically seeking to speak with Murphy followed him to his son's room, knocked out the guard, and is now calling Murphy out.Avy by Thormag
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2012-03-17, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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why is murphy's son learning halfling?
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2012-03-17, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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