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    Next one finished.
    How fortunate that it's so fitting right now.

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    Janine portrait
    Wow.
    That's a really different take on her to how I picture her. Don't get me wrong - that's in no way a bad thing and it doesn't really change my attitude towards the sketch, it's just very different.
    The hair's very lovely and curly wurly although I've got to say the top of her head is pretty flat and angular in a slightly odd way, can't tell if that's a deliberate stylisation and exaggeration of the head shape and hair line/parting or just the result of not getting it quite the shape you wanted. (Or just me, whatever). Overall she looks nice 'n pretty.

    Edited to Add: For anybody who's curious, if I had to choose just one public figure who matched my own vision of Janine's appearance it would probably be Natalie Venetia Belcon. Not 100% how I picture Janine, but a fairly close approximation. And probably not a complete coincidence


    On the update itself - I wasn't inspired to comment on Janine's fears especially because I didn't really feel any hints were dropped that we hadn't already heard in other forms. It's new and frightening material for the fire cleric but hardly a revelation for the audience.
    I have to agree with what others have said about the rain too: it's good for the atmosphere but you do kind of get distracted wondering why she'd set the twins down to sleep in the rain. I concluded the same thing as CWater - that the twins are in fact sheltered but we see rain across them because it's still raining in front of their shelter - but I think this might come across better if some sort of simple platform were added in above the twins' heads, maybe one that cast them in a slight shadow. It's a little niggle but it's always nicer to know that readers are focussing on the action/ the scene itself rather than little possible inconsistencies like that.
    I also kind of wondered why Janine didn't just take them inside the pub with her where it was warm and dry and help from others would be at hand but if she'd done that a)She'd have had to disturb Cyrus which might have made some sort of injury he had worse and more importantly b)if she'd taken the twins inside then the rest of the party would have had to either become involved or be suspiciously ignorant of the situation and the results of the drinking contest may have been spoiled for us. Taking the twins into the pub would have stopped this whole business from being a Janine oriented side-arc and it's about time she got this extra 'screen' time, so I'm willing to suspend my disbelief a little there.

    Gotta echo Silver Raptor too though: 72 hours could amount to a lot of in-comic time - is Janine going to be completely without spells for this period or have I missed something important about the concept of casting time? It's a neat way to convince her that he's serious about his commitment to the twins though because it seems like kind of a big deal to figure a way to work around if he was playing a trick. Mind you, I didn't particularly doubt him to begin with (I probably would in Janine's position though, it's always better to be careful when you're actually involved in something like that). I also didn't comment sooner because I wasn't sure how capable I was going to be of not talking about the source the title is probably referencing which could only lead to a trip to tangent town.
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    Eleanor: Yes, I've seen your drawings and our Janines are not alike at all. However, that's only natural.
    My original idea was a different one again, but the picture turned out not quite as I had intended (not a rare occurence, so...).
    The shape of her hair on top is deliberate, though.

    As for the comic, I asked myself the same questions about the 72 hours, but I'm just going to wait and see what happens next.

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    Uh, I can't see the pic...

    For the next 72 hours after casting a Divine Vow, anybody who took part in the casting has absolutely no spellcasting abilities whatsoever. No spell defense either. That's how draining the spell is.

    And yeah, the kids are sheltered under an awning. Janine can't bring them inside though. She really doesn't like bars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    For the next 72 hours after casting a Divine Vow, anybody who took part in the casting has absolutely no spellcasting abilities whatsoever. No spell defense either. That's how draining the spell is.
    Well, that'll be a serious handicap. She must be really worried.

    I don't know why you can't see the pic, however.

    Edit: Maybe like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverberry View Post
    Eleanor: Yes, I've seen your drawings and our Janines are not alike at all. However, that's only natural.
    My original idea was a different one again, but the picture turned out not quite as I had intended (not a rare occurence, so...).
    The shape of her hair on top is deliberate, though.

    As for the comic, I asked myself the same questions about the 72 hours, but I'm just going to wait and see what happens next.
    My natural drawing style is pretty stylised and since all my fan art has been digital and that still comes less naturally to me than drawing with physical materials I haven't made a huge effort to base my Janine on what I picture her to look like when I read the comics. A lot of my non realism pictures of real specific people come out looking really creepy and odd so I just go for something slightly generic and stylised that I hope captures the general essence of the character in some way (this gets very mixed results with anything but my own creations, and they misbehave a lot too).

    I hate bars too but I imagine Janine has grimmer reasons than me. I feel trapped and confused when I'm in pubs (I think this is a Britishism, me saying 'pubs' where other posters are saying 'bars', I tend to think of bars as being more modern institutions than the traditional 'Public House' but the word 'pub' doesn't seem to come up so much in American media whereas Brits still use it in day to day speech and are unlikely to say 'bars'. Being a mix of both I use 'pub' for anything cosy and traditional and 'bar' for something sleeker and more sophisticated - or a place where you get alcohol within a hotel etc. That's the most common British use for 'bar' I think) to the extent that I had to make a run for it on the one occasion I decided to give a 'pub crawl' a go for the sake of socialising. A 'responsible adult' actually had to come out and show me the way back home, I got so worked up. It was silly. I don't find the atmosphere of such watering holes comfortable at all so I can identify with Janine there without even taking an unpleasant past into account. On the other hand I also tried a coffee crawl and found the experience much more enjoyable (I don't think any coffee was consumed on this outing, the beverages of choice were soft drinks, free tap water and hot chocolate) maybe something for Janine to bear in mind next time Matt has a bright idea?
    (What do you mean they didn't do 'cafés' in medieval times? This is Aequar, it's totally ligit! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleanor_Rigby View Post
    My natural drawing style is pretty stylised and since all my fan art has been digital and that still comes less naturally to me than drawing with physical materials I haven't made a huge effort to base my Janine on what I picture her to look like when I read the comics.
    Ah, so that's what you meant. Never mind, then.

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    The picture's still showing up fine on my laptop. Not sure why it's not appearing on your end, Coffee. Maybe try quoting the post with the image in to get the url and pasting that into your browser? Worth a shot maybe although I'm really not an IT wiz.

    All this fanart discussion and today being a Sunday has inspired me to fire up GIMP and have another go at the project I was talking about. Looking at things again I think I was maybe being optimisitic when I said I was 60% done with it, especially now that I've decided it needs an extra stage to look right. So I probably won't finish it today either, but I might get it to a stage where people can get the gist but still be able to tell it's not really a 'finished' piece - first draft stage, if you will. I don't get how Coffee manages to update the strip weekly and still do all her other things. I'm definately someone who has more ideas than time to execute them, or at least that's the way things are when you 'manage' your time the same way I do (or rather don't).
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    Her right eye looks weird. But I like the drawing. (However, I've seen Janine as kinda chunky, but chunky in a way that she carries it really well.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Her right eye looks weird. But I like the drawing. (However, I've seen Janine as kinda chunky, but chunky in a way that she carries it really well.)
    (emphasis mine)

    My interpretation of Janine is based largely on your comments in these threads: Janine having the most noticeable 'assets' of the three girls in the party for example. Given that the other girls are Serrin, a half elf and Radic who I've always imagined as being quite aquiline and 'boyish' in terms of figure that's not really saying a lot though. To use the Williams sisters as an example though, I've always thought of her as more of a Serena than a Venus. I think of both sisters as very attractive ladies (in spite of some ridiculously cruel and spiteful things the British media has to say about their physical appearance at times: an unpleasantly common joke in these parts is to pretend they're men in drag - I can't really reconcile that opinion as yes, they're strong and they're powerful, but I've always since I was rather small admired them as very beautiful women), but their attractiveness manifests itself in very different ways considering they're sisters. I think a term that would probably describe Janine nicely might be 'rubanesque'?

    All this said, I have nothing against interpretations of Janine that give her a different body type or skin tone to what I imagine, personally. Different takes are always interesting to see.
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    Huh. And here I thought it was her left eye that looked weird and made her look like she's squinting a little. Or maybe that's just me.

    Or were you talking about "right" as in, from the viewers point of view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    And yeah, the kids are sheltered under an awning. Janine can't bring them inside though. She really doesn't like bars...
    For some reason I read that as "She really doesn't like bras...", which makes sense because she leaps at every opportunity to remove them.
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    For some reason I read that as "She really doesn't like bras..."
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    Proof that all men think alike.
    That is the dirtiest true stereotype I've ever heard!

    Edit: joke aside. Is that seriously what normal guys think about 24/7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    Edit: joke aside. Is that seriously what normal guys think about 24/7?
    No. It's just that the slightest thing could get us to start thinking about it, and we see it where it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    That is the dirtiest true stereotype I've ever heard!

    Edit: joke aside. Is that seriously what normal guys think about 24/7?

    Bleh pathetic
    I'd really like to think that this whole tangent would have been avoided if everbody used the word 'pubs' like I do. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure this would have just lead us down an even less board friendly path.
    (If you can't figure out what I mean, just consider yourself nice and clean minded and let it go!)
    Maybe 'taverns' is more innuendo-proof? I imagine you guys could work something out but I'm not taking suggestions here.
    I've been working away at my Murphy's Law fan project and I reckon now it's about 60% complete in terms of being ready to show to people. Having a lot of fun with this one so I hope I actually manage to finish it soonish!

    And in answer to your question, if you count the comic's characters as 'normal guys' I'd wager that Matt would give you a resounding "yes", Tinder would be reluctant to answer and Lloyd would at least probably not be having such thoughts about ladies
    Edited to Add: And Janine and possibly also Serrin would tell you that such behaviour isn't restricted to guys (although, like Lloyd, the gender bias would be inverted)
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    I said "normal". Adventurers are NOT normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    That is the dirtiest true stereotype I've ever heard!

    Edit: joke aside. Is that seriously what normal guys think about 24/7?

    Bleh pathetic
    Statistically impossible, they'd be completely unable to focus on work of any kind.

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    You know, I'm beginning to understand why I get second-best grades in class without even getting one A on the chart.

    Anyhow, am I the only one who can only think of "Dub" as a mishearing of "Pub"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keveak View Post
    Statistically impossible, they'd be completely unable to focus on work of any kind.

    ...

    You know, I'm beginning to understand why I get second-best grades in class without even getting one A on the chart.

    Anyhow, am I the only one who can only think of "Dub" as a mishearing of "Pub"?
    All I can think about is "what exactly is it I'm thinking about?"

    And statistical probality never stopped 'em before
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Hm. Thought you'd have more to say about Janine and her fears.
    Yes, I do, but I was in a hurry to catch a train back then.^^' And I was separated from my computer until about an hour ago.

    Personally I like the way you wrote the dialogue. Subtlety (not sure if this is exactly the right word) fits this scene, the comics style, and this forum, better than bluntness. Janine's reaction carries indeed rather dark implications of her past, but on the other hand you can also be touchy about these kind of things even if there is no actual trauma involved; I should know.

    So, I repeat, I wonder what will happen next? :-J

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWater View Post
    Personally I like the way you wrote the dialogue. Subtlety (not sure if this is exactly the right word) fits this scene, the comics style, and this forum, better than bluntness. Janine's reaction carries indeed rather dark implications of her past

    So, I repeat, I wonder what will happen next? :-J
    Just wanted to +1 on this comment: I know I said I didn't think we learned anything new on Janine's fears but I didn't mean to imply that I wasn't impressed by the update (I may not have done, but I'd rather it were clear). The dialogue was particularly good in this update and I think natural and convincing dialogue is something you've (Coffee, I mean) really improved at since the comic started. You've gone from some slightly stilted and over worked dialogue to stuff that says volumes in very few words. That's not meant to be a jab at the early work, just an example of the progress I feel you've made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWater View Post
    According to an article I read, 30% of men think about sex at least once in half an hour. Of women, it's 10%. Apparently, women tend to think more about food.
    I don't like generalisations, but the bit about women and food rings very true on a personal level.
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    Seriously, your ability to draw hair is amazing. Ears and clothes are also very good. What I think you could mostly improve, is the facial features. They are nice, but somewhat simplistic compared to the other parts of the pictures.
    First of all, thanks.
    As for the faces - I am currently trying to get them to look less manga-ish and more realistic instead. Maybe that'll take care of that - but noses give me a headache. ... I need more pencils.

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    Think we are getting kinda off topic here guys.
    Though i think men think about sex more often then women because of a primal instinct thing, we want to mate as often as possible, to secure as many offspring as possible, to reduce the chances of the competition securing any mates/offspring.
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    Where did everyone go? O.o
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    Update tomorrow, guys! Oh, and in the car just now, Radic told me of one of her critical, defining memories/moments in her life. You'll see it in the prequel, which will be titled Roleplaying Experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Update tomorrow, guys! Oh, and in the car just now, Radic told me of one of her critical, defining memories/moments in her life. You'll see it in the prequel, which will be titled Roleplaying Experience.
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    Update tomorrow, guys! Oh, and in the car just now, Radic told me of one of her critical, defining memories/moments in her life.
    Coffee, if your characters are talking to you, you need to take a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubi View Post
    Coffee, if your characters are talking to you, you need to take a break.
    My characters talk to me all the time. They get in inter-continuity fights with each other as well.

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