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    Is Vaarsuvius a vegetarian?
    Are elves usually vegetarian in D&D?


    I don't think it's been stated outright, but he's never been shown eating meat.

    Evidence:

    1) Not shown eating bar-b-q monster

    2) has grapefruit for breakfast, while his friends eat bacon. Twice.

    3) Has white truffle soufle for dinner

    4) provided with hummus, while the others were offered pegasus and phoenix

    5) Says in SS&DT that he has a tofu-based diet. That may be out of continuity, though.
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    Huh...

    Also, his mate cooks banana muffins, which are totally vegetarian.

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    I wouldn't like that to be true.

    I don't like the idea that Elves have to be vegetarian because they're a wiser and superior race. Or more often than not, because the author is vegetarian and his ideal race must be to (Paolini).

    I don't like the idea of any race being a "superior race" as per author backing.

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    Hmm, you could be on to something...

    ...on V's diet, at least. On the subject of gender, I feel you're barking up the wrong tree entirely.

    And no one's saying V would be vegetarian because "elves are superior", not even in the comic. No need to overthink it; perhaps she just happens to be vegetarian.
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    The various fantasy settings I've seen have usually had something like that. I've never seen strict vegetarian diets (forgive my failure to use more specific and proper terminology), but a strong preference for non-meat products is present. Sort of a "I really, really would rather not have meat but if I must then I will" mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    I wouldn't like that to be true.

    I don't like the idea that Elves have to be vegetarian because they're a wiser and superior race. Or more often than not, because the author is vegetarian and his ideal race must be to (Paolini).

    I don't like the idea of any race being a "superior race" as per author backing.
    Who said anything about all elves being vegetarian Next thing ya know, you will be saying that no humans should be vegetarian, because it would mean all humans were.

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    It wouldn't surprise me if OotS elves, or at least V in particular, considers eating meat to be a bit uncouth, a bit Yahoo. In personality, our vulcan-in-fantasy-drag is more Houyhnhnm than Yahoo, anyway.

    Stereotypically, meat eating is often considered masculine and vegetarianism more effeminate, which may also play into it -- elves being one of the races which is more ladylike, whereas dwarves and such are more manly.

    As Angel Bob said, though, this wouldn't make elves universally superior. There have been plenty of times when they've done things that we're supposed to question.
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    Who said anything about all elves being vegetarian Next thing ya know, you will be saying that no humans should be vegetarian, because it would mean all humans were.
    If V is a vegetarian, it's at least conceivable this is due to a cultural consideration and not merely a personal preference. There are whole human cultures which are vegetarian, after all.

    It's even conceivable (although we have no evidence for this) that a biological consideration would make elves eschew meat. ...although that would fit awkwardly with the "woodland hunter" stereotype, which we haven't seen much of in OotS.

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    It's even conceivable (although we have no evidence for this) that a biological consideration would make elves eschew meat.
    That would make them herbivorous

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    That would make them herbivorous
    It might, or it might also make them omnivores who get cases of indigestion.

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    Yes, V is a vegetarian.

    This is not, however, any sort of blunt statement about elven superiority, simply because I do not actually subscribe to the idea that elves are superior in the first place. You may not have noticed, but the elves as a people haven't exactly made much of an impact on this story, and they certainly don't display any greater wisdom.

    And considering that the strip has gone almost 900 pages before anyone even noticed means that I'm not going to take anyone's complaints about it seriously. I have a right to include some characters who share the same philosophies as myself in my own story without it being some sort of controversy. Two characters (neither of whom really discuss it) in a cast of dozens is no great burden on the reading public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunken Valley View Post
    I wouldn't like that to be true.

    I don't like the idea that Elves have to be vegetarian because they're a wiser and superior race. Or more often than not, because the author is vegetarian and his ideal race must be to (Paolini).
    Which is kind of funny since Giant is a vegetarian. But I thought the idea came from Elves generally being close to nature and respecting living things instead of thinking they are superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Yes, V is a vegetarian.

    This is not, however, any sort of blunt statement about elven superiority, simply because I do not actually subscribe to the idea that elves are superior in the first place. You may not have noticed, but the elves as a people haven't exactly made much of an impact on this story, and they certainly don't display any greater wisdom.

    And considering that the strip has gone almost 900 pages before anyone even noticed means that I'm not going to take anyone's complaints about it seriously. I have a right to include some characters who share the same philosophies as myself in my own story without it being some sort of controversy. Two characters (neither of whom really discuss it) in a cast of dozens is no great burden on the reading public.
    Huh, that's a cool detail. Are there any other little character pieces like that which have been shown in-comic but not pointed out because they haven't, nor will they ever be plot-relevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oppyu View Post
    Huh, that's a cool detail. Are there any other little character pieces like that which have been shown in-comic but not pointed out because they haven't, nor will they ever be plot-relevant?
    Yes. ...........
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    Two characters?

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    Could refer to Inky, who baked the banana nut muffins as 137ben mentioned, or...

    Wait, did Celia make a reference to being a vegetarian at some point?

    Edit: yes. It's Celia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Yes. ...........
    Would you be willing to reveal a couple of those in this thread? Or alternatively, the second vegetarian?

    EDIT: Ah, Celia, Nevermind that part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    Evidence:

    1) Not shown eating bar-b-q monster

    2) has grapefruit for breakfast, while his friends eat bacon. Twice.

    3) Has white truffle soufle for dinner

    4) provided with hummus, while the others were offered pegasus and phoenix

    5) Says in SS&DT that he has a tofu-based diet. That may be out of continuity, though.
    Not that it matters anymore, but this is another example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Yes, V is a vegetarian.
    Thank you, Giant.

    This is not, however, any sort of blunt statement about elven superiority, simply because I do not actually subscribe to the idea that elves are superior in the first place.
    But you think elves are awesome, right?



    I have a right to include some characters who share the same philosophies as myself in my own story without it being some sort of controversy. Two characters (neither of whom really discuss it) in a cast of dozens is no great burden on the reading public.
    Two? Who is the second? V's spouse, possibly, but s/he's only a minor character so far. Or Haley? We saw her eat salad for New Year's supper, and pancakes for breakfast. I don't think we've ever seen her eat meat.

    Let the speculation commence.

    Edit - Ah, Celia. Of course.

    Edit again - Haley's not vegetarian
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    Wow, I never noticed. Yet it makes so much sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    But you think elves are awesome, right?
    Yeah, it's definitely a good idea when you have to explicitly hide it from the paladin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely a good idea when you have to explicitly hide it from the paladin.
    Were they hiding it from the Paladin so much as roundabout criticizing the two humans for following orders to a T? Cause I doubt even Than would have accepted the Hobgoblin in their ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely a good idea when you have to explicitly hide it from the paladin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely a good idea when you have to explicitly hide it from the paladin.
    I'm pretty sure that (what you're quoting, not the comic) was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorSarda View Post
    Were they hiding it from the Paladin so much as roundabout criticizing the two humans for following orders to a T? Cause I doubt even Than would have accepted the Hobgoblin in their ranks.
    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    I'm pretty sure that (what you're quoting, not the comic) was a joke.
    Flame of Anor is being sarcastic, I believe. Apparently this whole 'Use a blue font to denote a sarcastic sentence' is a thing now. That's my interpetation at least.

    Personally, I prefer this:


    More my style.
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    Wait, why are people implying banana nut muffins are a vegetarian dish? Are meat muffins a popular thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorSarda View Post
    Were they hiding it from the Paladin so much as roundabout criticizing the two humans for following orders to a T? Cause I doubt even Than would have accepted the Hobgoblin in their ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Yes, V is a vegetarian.

    This is not, however, any sort of blunt statement about elven superiority, simply because I do not actually subscribe to the idea that elves are superior in the first place. You may not have noticed, but the elves as a people haven't exactly made much of an impact on this story, and they certainly don't display any greater wisdom.

    And considering that the strip has gone almost 900 pages before anyone even noticed means that I'm not going to take anyone's complaints about it seriously. I have a right to include some characters who share the same philosophies as myself in my own story without it being some sort of controversy. Two characters (neither of whom really discuss it) in a cast of dozens is no great burden on the reading public.
    For what little it's worth, I noticed some time ago. It just seemed like a neat little detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    Flame of Anor is being sarcastic, I believe. Apparently this whole 'Use a blue font to denote a sarcastic sentence' is a thing now. That's my interpetation at least.

    Personally, I prefer this:


    More my style.
    I know Flame of Anor is being sarcastic (although I don't know where this blue font thing came from either). What I'm not sure of is why, because Ron Miel's comment was certainly not meant to be taken at face value either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    I know Flame of Anor is being sarcastic (although I don't know where this blue font thing came from either). What I'm not sure of is why, because Ron Miel's comment was certainly not meant to be taken at face value either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    Wait, why are people implying banana nut muffins are a vegetarian dish? Are meat muffins a popular thing?
    They are food and don't contain meat, ergo they are a vegetarian dish. It's not a particularly exclusive category.
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