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2008-05-30, 03:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
David, at the time that he made that comment, RC still had a hatred of Hobgoblins due to his childhood. After he realised he was turning into Xykon, he would have probably disagreed with that comment completely. Also, why shouldn't evil characters want to heal/revive people because they want to? Apart from the (then LN) Wee Jas wanting to be consulted before reviving people who were less then level 9 in the 1st Editon, do any other dieties have issues with relatively weak characters being brought back?
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2008-06-12, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
I just read this book and have only one thing to say.
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2008-06-12, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
SpoilerI have read this book, and I thought that it gave a new, darker 'light' to the comic. Poor Redcloak...he was only trying to protect the goblin people. Unfortunately, that involved killing his brother. Evil Xykon...everything he has done has been for power, like the worst of villains. Also unfortunately, that involves allowing minions to die.
And last of all, poor Right-eye. He tried to better the goblin people too, but he was rash and foolish. His only surviving heir: His daughter, being raised by humans or worse. Perhaps she will make an appearance, later on...I hope so.
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2008-06-14, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
Thinking about it redcloak was really right about Right-Eye should have taken points in diplomacy.
I mean all he had to do there to convince redcloak was to say "Ok -- Forget the scroll -- IF I fail to kill Xykon I promise not to run -- I will accept my fate like a goblin and spare his wrath against the other goblins." Had he said that then RC probably wouldnt haveSpoilerzapped him
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2008-06-14, 07:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
I'm pretty sure Redcloak would not have changed his actions at all in that case. What he said to his brother was an excuse, not a reason.
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2008-06-14, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
SpoilerAt this time, Xykon was of extremely high, vital even, value to the goblin cause, as defined by Redcloak. So any promise pales when the basic idea is attacking Xykon. The lich must "live" until the Gate can be turned over to the Dark One, and any attack against the lich has to be blocked, which means toasting Right-eye if he attacks Xykon.
Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac
Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac
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2008-06-14, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
Since when? Raise dead doesn't have the Good descriptor, just as saving lives doesn't automatically default to good (hobgoblin saving Redcloak's life for example) Xykon talked Redcloak out of trying to raise Right Eye, but it was clear redcloak wanted to do so, before thinking it over.
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2008-06-15, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
I don't see why evil people should have problems in saving life. Being evil don't means "BWAHAHAAAA I'M BAD! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!!!" (except in extreme cases, like Xykon or Belkar), it just means that you look for yourself even at expense of others.
But an evil person has nothing against doing a good act, as long as they can take advantage from it. At the contrary, many evil people prefer doing good acts rather than evil, if both advantages them.
Also remember, as Rich himself claims in one of his gaming articles, evil people have feelings, and people they care about (agains, exception of extremely evil people like Xykon or Belkar). To that people, they have a good behaviour.In memory of Evisceratus: he dreamed of a better world, but he lacked the class levels to make the dream come true.
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2008-06-15, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
Which is all my case needs.
Nothing has been said here about how evils must never never Raise Dead. Rather it has been posited that they are the opposite of the goods, who do not like to kill, but do so under the right conditions, they do kill.
So our evils do not like to cast Raise Dead. They will do so under the right circumstances, but they basically don't want to and the cases in the comic are the normal cases where they refuse to cast it, or can't cast it.
Note you are saying IF it advantages them. Conversely, if they lose or break even, they don't.
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2008-06-15, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
Right-Eye's children and wife weren't raised because Redcloak did not control the financial resources of Team Evil; Xykon did, and he wasn't ponying up three 5000 gp diamonds to bring back three of the lowest-level henchmen he had. Evil characters are neither prohibited nor even discouraged from raising the dead in the OOTS universe—nor in any other D&D world of which I'm aware, unless they specifically serve a god of Death.
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2008-06-16, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Start of Darkness - Discussion Thread (MARK ALL SPOILERS!)
Why has this been un-stickied?
And general reaction: liked it big time, I feel redcloak is made more nuanced, and a little more sympathetic and understandable. Doesn't mean his decisions were right, but does mean I think it made him a more interesting character.Last edited by hamishspence; 2008-06-16 at 08:16 AM.