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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Never eat French fish. They're poisson.
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Why is "to be" the most infernally complex verb in the world?
In English we've got
to be -> I am, you are, he/she is, we are, they are
Spanish is
ser -> soy, eres, es, somos, (sois), son
I don't know any other languages. But still . . . WTF, people? Is German similarly bizarre and unrelated to the infinitive?Last edited by Dragonrider; 2009-12-08 at 02:11 PM.
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
BANG → !
OH LOOK AT HER/.../YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN/YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN/YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN MEAN/RICHARDS
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BANG → !
OH LOOK AT HER/.../YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN/YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN/YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN MEAN/RICHARDS
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2009-12-08, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Hm.
Jestem(I am), jesteś(you are), jest(he/she/it is), są(they are), jesteście(you are), jesteśmy(we are).
In Polish, it's strangely regular.My FFRP characters. Avatar by Ashen Lilies. Sigatars by Ashen Lilies, Gullara and Purple Eagle.
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2009-12-08, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
In Polish, it's strangely regular.Last edited by Ikialev; 2009-12-08 at 02:50 PM. Reason: oh god even my quoting is wrong
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
1st sing.: (yo) soy
2nd sing., informal: (tú) eres
3rd sing./2nd sing. formal: (él/ella/usted) es
1st pl.: (nosotros) somos
2nd pl. informal: (vosotros) sois
3rd pl./2nd pl. formal: (ellos/ellas/ustedes) son
I don't see anything missing.
Edit: unless that was a weird joke.Last edited by Dragonrider; 2009-12-08 at 03:28 PM.
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Last edited by Morty; 2009-12-08 at 03:38 PM.
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The verb is definitely right, 'earge' . . . I don't know. Hold please.
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Just got my books containing the set texts and gloss:
'earg': adj. wretched, vile, useless, cowardly. neut. nom. sing. earh; masc. acc. sing. eargne.
So the adjective is right and the gender is the present indicative masc. pl. of 'earg', so it's all good.
Although literally it would be "X and Y are cowardly" rather then 'X and Y is a coward'.
Hey. I just translated a sentence from MnE to OE and back and accounted for inflections. At first I thought the adjective was inflected wrongly, so I double checked, and it was inflected strongly so the pres. ind. pl. is indeed '-e'!
I bow to Kneen's still impressive recollection of OE.
Just checked the texts from my two main set texts, and it doesn't have a copy of that in it. Can you recommend a book with it in? Or a site? It sounds fascinating.
And for DeeRee
Old English/Anglo-Saxon
To be: bēon
iċ eom (I am) OR iċ bēo
þū eart (you are) OR þū bist
hē is (he is) OR hēo bið
hīe sind, sindon (they are) OR wē bēoð
You can recognise German and English there can't you?
French:
To be: être
Je suis (I am)
Tu es (You are (informal))
Il/elle/on est (he/she/it/one is)
Nous sommes (we are)
Vous êtes (You are (formal))
Ils/ells sont (they are)Last edited by CurlyKitGirl; 2009-12-08 at 04:03 PM. Reason: Finicky formatting
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2009-12-08, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Indeed I can! Also, interesting that while the English-y version doesn't make a lot of sense with the infinitive, the German-y version does.
Similarities between French and Spanish entertain me. il/elle and él/ella; nous and nosotros; tu and tú. It's not surprising at all given the romance language deal, but it's nevertheless somehow amusing.
Edit: But the big question? Does French have two versions of the verb "to be" the way Spanish does (ser and estar)?Last edited by Dragonrider; 2009-12-08 at 04:46 PM.
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
As far as I know, the only French verb for to be is être.
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Ah well, push it through MdE through EME to MnE you get and broad assumptions here:
iċ eom (iċ by the way is pronounced ich) -> I am
þū eart (þū by the way being pronounced 'thoo') ->tu art -> thy/you art -> you are
Need I even bother with the next one? No.
I don't know about the next one. But the 'wē' of the second form is obvious.
Interestingly, 'you' comes from the formal French 'vous' which was only used to address those of higher status, customers or strangers. Therefore the English language has true equality by addressing everyone as 'you' rather than differentiating between classes/situations/people we don't know.
And quite useful too! On occasion. French has one 'to be'. OE has two forms of bēon, hence the OR options and also wesan which also means to be.
Apparently.
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2009-12-08, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Interesting. I'm sure there's some overarching rule for "ser" v. "estar" that I don't know and some other playgrounder does. But you use ser for things like identity (soy baja = I'm short), origins (soy de Inglaterra = I'm from England), that sort of thing. Estar is for feelings (estoy triste = I'm sad) and current location (estoy en casa = I'm at home) and generally temporary things. Though, naturally, "temporary" doesn't ALWAYS apply, because hard-and-fast rules never seem to work in language.
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
Ik ben.
Jij bent.
Hij/zij/het is.
Jullie zijn.
zij zijn.
Ik was.
Jij was.
Hij/zij/het was.
Jullie waren.
Zij waren.
Hmmm, gimme english 'bove dutch any day of the week...
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
One reason why the averae language student (of any language) has often introduced their head to the nearest, non-fragile flat surface available.
My format was this:
K: Head, meet Desk.
D and H together: Hi. *THUMP*
Occasionally, Head was courteously introduced to The Wall, they got on about as well as Head and Desk.
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! DeeRee et al. one option for Paper 4 Special Topic is Introduction to Language and Linguistics.
Yea or nay?
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*looks around*
*replaces second D in DeeDee with a R, making it DeeRee*
Yea!
>.>
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Danish:
Jeg er
Du er
Han/hun/den/det er
Vi er
De er
It is not so hard...
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Re: Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134
With german... its crazy as well
Sein is to be.
Ich bin - I am
Du bist - You (informal you) are
Er/ sie/ es ist - he/she/it is
Wir sind - We are
Ihr seid - You (plural) are.
sie sind - They are
Sie sind - You (very formal You, the way you refer to a superior or to someone you have respect for.)
So yes. Its crazy"If you can, then do. If you cannot, then find a way so you can."
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. . .thus making [native language] class an unending horror for those of us who paid attention the first year those concepts of grammar were discussed. Half or more of first-year Latin was also wasted on making students pay attention to the complex structures which were accessible yet unused in English. For the icing upon this cake of woe, my teachers' willingness to listen to my stumbling Swedish was in inverse proportion to their grasp of grammar. ("Cake of woe"? Did someone replace my tealights with Vetinari's candle ends?) As for the paper topic, broadly 'nay', but for you I'll say 'yea' for you do have the gift both for rambling on the topic enough to satisfy a word count, yet also have the (rarer) gift of those circumlocutory spirals of construction make sense to the reader.
As for Mauve Shirt's professor, I sympathize; a teacher can break down under stress just as a student can, but the student doesn't generally sink the entire year's deadline-dependent academic hopes with her. Independent learning only goes so far when your works must be stamped with authority by such-and-such a date. In our situation the rest of the department was willing to look sideways and perhaps allow the students a bit more input on their letters of recommendation than was wise, in return for lessening the additional workload upon them, but that was high school where any sin will be obliterated in the next tier of schooling, and we were all destined for a higher tier of schooling. In short, if she's your faculty contact, change your faculty contact if you want to graduate on time!
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And this is why I failed Latin last year.
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