I understand Rich reverse engineered a lot of his material from various sources. Which is fine and dandy, because ya know? Just as the TV can have a Trope about everything in the world, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy the show that you like.
Basically, I would love to think that there would be someone fairly similar to Miko. Like her or hate her, she was a really good character that I truly hadn't seen before. How someone was good without being "good" truly explored a lot of territory that I had never seen charted before.
Another character I'd love to see is a truly evil bard. Bear in mind, within OotS, I've yet to see a bard that could be on par with Elan in the magic department. Nale doesn't count in this. Because of his Lawful stature, he can't be a bard. What I was looking for was a bard that could run countersongs to Elan and possibly test his magic to the utmost limit.
I really like manipulators like Shojo was, an evil (humanoid) equivalent would be fun.
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in before this turns into a "Not everything is a trope!" Arguement.
There's no indication that Jenny is even nominally evil, much less "truly evil." (Unless her membership in the Greysky Thieves' Guild counts, and if that's the case, it's bad news for a certain Chaotic Good-ish rogue...)
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I'm pretty sure Jenny's actions condemn her as Evil by BoVD or something like that, but that's just cause BoVD is silly.
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I understand Rich reverse engineered a lot of his material from various sources. Which is fine and dandy, because ya know? Just as the TV can have a Trope about everything in the world, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy the show that you like.
Basically, I would love to think that there would be someone fairly similar to Miko. Like her or hate her, she was a really good character that I truly hadn't seen before. How someone was good without being "good" truly explored a lot of territory that I had never seen charted before.
Another character I'd love to see is a truly evil bard. Bear in mind, within OotS, I've yet to see a bard that could be on par with Elan in the magic department. Nale doesn't count in this. Because of his Lawful stature, he can't be a bard. What I was looking for was a bard that could run countersongs to Elan and possibly test his magic to the utmost limit.
What would you all like to see?
No I've seen this elswhere, not to say Miko was not a "Wonderful" adaptation of that particular archetype but that's all that she was as a character.
Every time someone predicts/requests a plot point, Rich vetos it - if he even looks at the thread :)
It says so in the FAQ.
This isn't a request for a character. I'll answer this only once.
This is a thread to talk about characters that you like, reasons you like them, and new types of characters you might want to see in the comic. This isn't to tell Giant or anyone that the comic is evil, nor that he should add a character discussed here. If he wants to, it's fine. But with me being a writer myself I like how characters interact through different abilities. The abilities of a dark bard have yet to be explored to my knowledge.
The Guild once had the Chaotic Good Haley as a member, so just being a member of it does not make you evil, which is the point that was being made. The fact she's no longer a member isn't relevant, unless you're somehow assuming her alignment changed just because she left...which is pretty epileptic even for the trees that usually grow round these parts!
I'm pretty sure Jenny's actions condemn her as Evil by BoVD or something like that, but that's just cause BoVD is silly.
Which actions would those be? Going along with the rest of the Guild to kill Haley?
BoED states "sexuality is not evil- but exploiting people that way is.
BoVD does not say anything about it.
But does say "even a child can tell you that stealing is morally wrong" but give the number of non-evil thieves, it must rank pretty low on the scale of wrongness- and heroic behaviour can overwhelm thieving tendencies- for the purposes of judging alignment.
The Guild once had the Chaotic Good Haley as a member, so just being a member of it does not make you evil, which is the point that was being made. The fact she's no longer a member isn't relevant, unless you're somehow assuming her alignment changed just because she left...which is pretty epileptic even for the trees that usually grow round these parts!
I am sorry, but an epileptic tree that involves an alignment change over the most insignificant of reasons is not even considered tournament material around here. I've seen and conceived far more far fetched theories, most even had jokes in them! Even sticking to plain alignment changes, one can do far better than admit the possibility that Haley was previously Evil. Like the one time Belkar killed a rat, we though he might had changed alignment there for a second because killing rats is a way to prevent the spread of dangerous, even lethal, diseases among the common folks, but then he immediately came back to the ways of evil by chasing Elan around. In fact, the reason why some people claim him to be lawful good is because he switches alignment all the time in the hopes of one day be considered a unaligned character and become immune to alignment based abilities. Just like Xykon did.
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"Dude, don't taunt the god-killing abomination." Loki
About Jenny - there is not much to go on. But her infatuation with Belkar suggests that she is at least flirting with a certain variety of Chaotic alignment. Non-Chaotic characters tend to value their sexual lifes a bit more, IMO. It also suggest a less-than-healthy self-steem, of course.
Miko, come to think of it, is a fair bit like Guy Gardner of the Green Lantern books - self-important to an obnoxious degree, lacks consideration for other people and doesn't even realize it, and despite all that she still manages to actually do good every once in a while, mainly out of a need to fulfill what she sees as her duty.
About Jenny - there is not much to go on. But her infatuation with Belkar suggests that she is at least flirting with a certain variety of Chaotic alignment.
I think her being a Bard suggests she's Chaotic, or at least non-Lawful.
The abilities of a dark bard have yet to be explored to my knowledge.
Well, there's Nale. Of course, he isn't technically a bard, but a fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantment spells. What a bard was in earlier editions of D&D, if my information is correct.
Which actions would those be? Going along with the rest of the Guild to kill Haley?
Well yes, killing someone merely to keep a group's reputation IS a pretty rotten thing to do.
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Basically, I would love to think that there would be someone fairly similar to Miko. Like her or hate her, she was a really good character that I truly hadn't seen before. How someone was good without being "good" truly explored a lot of territory that I had never seen charted before.
If Miko was ever good, she stopped being so even before appearing in the comic. What we have is the anomaly of how someone who detected and summarily executed random people was allowed to keep their paladin powers.
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Well, there's Nale. Of course, he isn't technically a bard, but a fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantment spells. What a bard was in earlier editions of D&D, if my information is correct.
Not quite - bards made it to D&D long before sorcerers did.
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The best use of character tropes I often find is looking at the DC Universe. Usually I find the best focus comes from using the Batman character and his part of that universe as the baseline since usualy both the villians and even some of the other DC heros are written to reflect parts of his psyche.
Jotting down a few thoughts on OOTS and DC characters and how the share similar tropes (these may or may not have specific entries on TVTropes):
1. The Trickster = The Joker = Xykon
2. The Evil Genius = The Riddler = Elan
3. The Temptress = Poison Ivy / Catwoman = Sabine
4. The Ends Shall Jusify The Means (often used as 'Dark Father') = Ra'as Al Ghul = RedCloak
5. The Superman = Superman = The Sapphire Guard (now Hinjo or O'Chul)
6. The Robin Hood = Green Arrow / Catwoman = Haley / Julio Scoundrel
7. The Lesser Man = The Penguin = Belkar / Xykon
In that last one I concede that Belkar and Xykon are much FUNNIER examples of the trope, but I think it's the same one: someone who is largely out for themselves and thier own pleasure but wants to keep the world intact on account of it.
There are two of which Miko straddles but not in really the same manner:
1. The Stoic Hero = Batman = Miko
2. The Fallen Angel = Two-Face = Miko
In truth Miko's a bit closer to Batman in persona, the difference being she got a bit too full of herself (than Batman -- that's a toughie). She reflects Two-Face/Harvey Dent really only by the simple fact she's fallen away frombeing a true hero: otherwise she really doesn't resemble him.
Therefore, there's an idea on a trop OOTS hasn't used yet: someone that is absolutely INSANE (I know I used Xykon as a stand-in for the Joker, but the difference between the two is that Xykon is not nuts).
And there's two ways to take that: Sympatheic insanity such as Two-Face ('I clearly need professional help to deal with a crazy and absurd world') and unsympathetic insanity such as the Joker of Kefka from FFIV ('I just want to watch the world burn').
So that said, I think outright insanity is one area the OOTS has not ventured into.
Ah yes, sorry. Well when the two names are just the same thing in the opposite direction , it's easy to mix them up.
The Joker is like Xykon in that they're both rather whimsical and (for themselves) fun-loving. There is the difference that Xykon is NOT mad-barking insane, so in that way he's a bit closer to "The Lesser Man". But otherwise Xykon does an awful lot of things in common with a trickster, I think.
Besides, who knows, it might be revealed that there are greater enemies in the OOTSverse than Xykon...
Every time someone predicts/requests a plot point, Rich vetos it - if he even looks at the thread :)
It says so in the FAQ.
No, no it does not. What the FAQ says is that The Giant feels temptation to change the story, and he doesn't like that feeling, even if he doesn't give in. So, he tries to avoid these threads.
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