A shop assistant quite clearly states "She might have a point" when refering to V...
I don't think "Eve & Larry's Alchemy" is the sort of shop where the shop assistant gets to check your gender.
And FWIW let us not forget that this is the shop whose business model is to "sell at a loss and make it up by VOLUME!" a.k.a. "Not A Reliable Source Of Intelligence"
Applying the Rogue's Trapfinding/Disarm Traps abilities to the "It's a Trap!" meme was very clever. The OP could have been made of win. Unfortunately, you decided poison it with links to TVtropes and demonstrably false assertions about V's alignment. I don't pretend to know what V's alignment is, only what it's not (or wasn't).
Applying the Rogue's Trapfinding/Disarm Traps abilities to the "It's a Trap!" meme was very clever. The OP could have been made of win. Unfortunately, you decided poison it with links to TVtropes and demonstrably false assertions about V's alignment. I don't pretend to know what V's alignment is, only what it's not (or wasn't).
Oh yay! Another opportunity for textual fencing!
First of all, thank you for the compliment. It is very much appreciated. Now, let's play!
tvtropes: Yes, linking to that time vortex of a site a terrible thing to do to people, but I could think of no better way to explain what a 'trap' was to those not familiar with the meme. I suppose I could have linked to a 'tl;dr' article on the subject, but I'm not quite THAT mean spirited.
alignment: "demonstrably false assertions" you say? At best, I am inclined to think the the subject is still wide open for debate until the man himself says his piece on the subject.
So... while I may not be 'made of win' I'm more than content with the smiles caused by my first post in this thread.
that means all i thoght after reading his "theories".
So, man, if V is male, y belkar kissed V on new year's eve at azure city, considerating that when V was a lizard he looked under her?
Dont u remember? strip:177, the kiss is after.
Edited: Oh! and remember, rich said that the caracthers will appearing refereing to V a man and other times as a woman.
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And if you recall, when Belkar looked at lizard!V's underside, he remarked that it would answer questions if he knew anything about reptilian anatomy, which he doesn't.
That's not even getting into the fact that Belkar was drunk as a skunk on New Year's.
alignment: "demonstrably false assertions" you say? At best, I am inclined to think the the subject is still wide open for debate until the man himself says his piece on the subject.
What does that prove, other than my point stands? I guess it's how you would speculate "in the last few-". I think it means "recently", like around the time V made a pact with Fiends. The comic, comparably, goes way back. V and Haley go back even further. Without any evidence of past alignment spikes, it's safe to assume that V had stayed consistent with hir "Not Evil" reading in 202.
So V and Haley did not have polar opposite alignments throughout most of their relationship. Heck, even when they did (if only along the Good/Evil axis), it was a hurdle that required deception to clear.
If you read over my comments, not once has the crackpot theory included a need for V to be one alignment or another. I have my own views on the matter, but they are not connected in any way, shape, or form to the subject in the first post.
The core of the theory is that Haley knows which gender V is regardless of what it may be and I speculate that a certain set of her class abilities likely explain a few things if, in fact, V were male.
If you read over my comments, not once has the crackpot theory included a need for V to be one alignment or another. I have my own views on the matter, but they are not connected in any way, shape, or form to the subject in the first post.
The core of the theory is that Haley knows which gender V is regardless of what it may be and I speculate that a certain set of her class abilities likely explain a few things if, in fact, V were male.
Before you accuse me of failing to read what you said, you should have a look at my first post ITT. My contention was not with the Trapfinding Hypothesis, I even complimented you on it. However, during the buildup of said hypothesis, you made a tangental assertion that was false. You muddied your own waters, not me.
I believe good_looking_gus is talking about declaring Vaarsuvius Lawful Evil.
For my part, I see no problem with it, given that your assertion is in the present tense and the Unholy Blight strip was a very long time and many events ago.
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Well, it actually makes sense to me, in some odd way.
My personal opinion is that --
1. V started out as male.
2. Readers got confused about his gender because he has long hair and ours is still a largely short-haired society.
3. The Giant took the confusion and applied it to Belkar for comic effect.
4. It worked, so he extended the joke to include everyone else in the game world.
5. V is a homosexual male, whose husband, Inkyrius, just happens to be more in touch with his 'feminine' side and therefore tends to fall into more of a 'feminine' role (baking cookies and keeping the house neat).
6. There's no real mystery, it's all there to see, and Rich is just there laughing uproariously at all the theories and confusion what was originally pretty much a one-off gag caused. And I don't blame him one bit, because the speculation is probably funnier at this point than the original joke itself ....
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I believe good_looking_gus is talking about declaring Vaarsuvius Lawful Evil.
For my part, I see no problem with it, given that your assertion is in the present tense and the Unholy Blight strip was a very long time and many events ago.
But V and Haley have been friends all along. The claim is that there needs to be an ulterior explaination for these characters to like each other because they have polar opposite alignments. Unless this assertion specifically concerns their very recent history (in which case, I will point you to their years of friendship and comradery), it necessarily implies that V has been LE throughout their relationship. We know that is not true.
I 'accuse' you of not reading my posts because the case has never relied on the pair having polar opposite alignments. You're insisting on putting words in my mouth when this is supposed to be a silly thread with a plausible (yet highly unlikely) theory about an issue that people refuse to let be.
The bit about alignments is an add-on that is not needed for the theory to work, but is merely an expression of a separate (but potentially relevant) speculation on my part.
Well, it actually makes sense to me, in some odd way.
My personal opinion is that --
1. V started out as male.
2. Readers got confused about his gender because he has long hair and ours is still a largely short-haired society.
3. The Giant took the confusion and applied it to Belkar for comic effect.
4. It worked, so he extended the joke to include everyone else in the game world.
5. V is a homosexual male, whose husband, Inkyrius, just happens to be more in touch with his 'feminine' side and therefore tends to fall into more of a 'feminine' role (baking cookies and keeping the house neat).
6. There's no real mystery, it's all there to see, and Rich is just there laughing uproariously at all the theories and confusion what was originally pretty much a one-off gag caused. And I don't blame him one bit, because the speculation is probably funnier at this point than the original joke itself ....
While that's a valid possibility, IMO the androgynous nature of many depictions of elves has been a long-time meme, predating OOTS, which The Giant may well have including on purpose at the time of initial party creation, just as he included a Sexy Spunky Girl and a Loyal Faithful Dwarf. Either way, V's gender and orientation are delightful sources of humor, let's just enjoy!
I 'accuse' you of not reading my posts because the case has never relied on the pair having polar opposite alignments. You're insisting on putting words in my mouth when this is supposed to be a silly thread with a plausible (yet highly unlikely) theory about an issue that people refuse to let be.
The bit about alignments is an add-on that is not needed for the theory to work, but is merely an expression of a separate (but potentially relevant) speculation on my part.
Get real; I didn't put any words in your mouth. Look at your original post:
If it's not important to your hypothesis, it shouldn't have been included. Imagine an automotive engineer premiering a new idea on how to design cars and suddenly declaring, "oh, by the way, Global Warming is/isn't caused by man, but anyhoo..." You made the statement; I have every right to contest it. As I already stated: You muddied your own waters, not me.
That's a great straw-man you have there, but it has little to do with me or the subject of this thread. The segment of post you bring up is naught but a contested view that served as the initial motivation behind the search that lead to the formation of the satirical theory as it currently stands. Even in the event that my stance on the alignments of the characters is wrong, the theory is not made any less valid.
If a person imbibes an excess of strong drink, it does not matter if they think its effects are communing with Dionysus or a simple chemical reaction, they are still drunk. My speculative view on the alignment of the characters is irrelevant to the mechanics of the actual theory, but you're aggressively throwing a wet blanket over the conversation by fixating on it and using it as the spearhead of a hostile chain of posts that callously undermines the lighthearted intent of the thread itself.
That's a great straw-man you have there, but it has little to do with me or the subject of this thread.
Straw-man? I admit that arguments by analogies are often problematic, but that was hardly a straw-man.
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The segment of post you bring up is naught but a contested view that served as the initial motivation behind the search that lead to the formation of the satirical theory as it currently stands. Even in the event that my stance on the alignments of the characters is wrong, the theory is not made any less valid.
I never said it was:
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My contention was not with the Trapfinding Hypothesis, I even complimented you on it. However, during the buildup of said hypothesis, you made a tangental assertion that was false. You muddied your own waters, not me.
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If a person imbibes an excess of strong drink, it does not matter if they think its effects are communing with Dionysus or a simple chemical reaction, they are still drunk. My speculative view on the alignment of the characters is irrelevant to the mechanics of the actual theory,
Yet you've included them anyways.
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but you're aggressively throwing a wet blanket over the conversation by fixating on it and using it as the spearhead of a hostile chain of posts that callously undermines the lighthearted intent of the thread itself.
You've not seen aggression If I come off as hostile, it is because you've steadily accused me of not reading your posts, putting words in your mouth, and constructing straw-man arguments.
In order to end this senseless and tragic debate, might I present the mod-approved theory for Vaarsuvius' sexuality:
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Originally Posted by BRC
There are obviously 2 Varssuvius's, one male and one female, both of which are identical and switch out between panels using elven ninja skills.
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In order to end this senseless and tragic debate, might I present the mod-approved theory for Vaarsuvius' sexuality:
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Originally Posted by BRC
There are obviously 2 Varssuvius's, one male and one female, both of which are identical and switch out between panels using elven ninja skills.
Actually, that theory's needlessly complicated - there's a much simpler one that happens to perfectly match all observations so far: a unique, ambiguously-gendered Vaarsuvius who isn't doing any switching out between panels and hasn't got an identical twin. ;)
Kaytara: Occam's Razor eh? Show me an equally valid theory with less moving parts and I'll post a pic of me eating my hat. In any case, I'm glad that you were entertained. Such was the point of the OP.
Ok, here you go:
Haley is such good friends with V, as they are both the only Female members of the party, and have bonded due to that.
Will you be eating your hat raw, or would you prefer to bake it first hehehe.
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Now, let's play!
If you read over my comments, not once has the crackpot theory included a need for V to be one alignment or another. I have my own views on the matter, but they are not connected in any way, shape, or form to the subject in the first post. 
If I come off as hostile, it is because you've steadily accused me of not reading your posts, putting words in your mouth, and constructing straw-man arguments.
