LGBTAitp - Part Fifteen

[cycoris]

Edit: Possibly too large but http://uasasonoma.org/teensite/images/LGBTQ_Top.jpg

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, I'm looking for a GitP-specific banner. Thanks though!

Questioning I think. Though if I recall correctly there are 2 Q's in the full acronym, so I could be wrong.

I'm using it to mean queer. Also, at least in my experience, if there's only one "Q", it's generally used to mean queer. Though I could, of course, be mistaken.

[Asta Kask]

Because when I see LGBTA, I think "this needs more random letters."

Sorry, I'm cranky today.

[Astrella]

I'm using it to mean queer. Also, at least in my experience, if there's only one "Q", it's generally used to mean queer. Though I could, of course, be mistaken.

Yeah, I figured you probably meant Queer, but then I remembered that in LGBTQ it's usually Questioning for as far as I know. *shrug*

(I still think the thread should just be QueeritP.)

[nerd-7i+42e]

Because when I see LGBTA, I think "this needs more random letters."

Meh, could be worse. Remember, we're only using one alphabet. So far.

Although if you dislike it, you could just use sexual minorities instead.

[Astrella]

Meh, could be worse. Remember, we're only using one alphabet. So far.

Although if you dislike it, you could just use sexual minorities instead.

Except the thread covers more then just sexuality.

(And I see the name argument happening again. )

[CrimsonAngel]

...Where are you seeing these pictures in the first place?

Facebook.

[Lissou]

Except the thread covers more then just sexuality.

(And I see the name argument happening again. )

I think sexual minorities kind of works. "Sexual" doesn't mean "that has to do with sexual orientation" after all. Gender issues are usually an issue when put side by side with sex (you're trans only because your sex doesn't match your gender, so it's related to your sex). But I guess it could be "sex and gender minorities" or something.

[Asta Kask]

How about Weirdos From Another Planet?

[golentan]

That was a fun book back when I was 5. And, for at least one of us, it fits.

[Anethiel]

Hi, y'all, I have a request.

Does anyone know if there's a LGBTitP banner that includes Q? Linky if there is? Thanks.

And grats to nerd on coming out!

I'm bashing my head against a deadline, therefore I can't make a proper version of it, but I quickly hacked my LGBTAitP banner to change the A to a Q.
You have to cut the one you want from the image, and probably resize it too. Sorry.

[Astrella]

I think sexual minorities kind of works. "Sexual" doesn't mean "that has to do with sexual orientation" after all. Gender issues are usually an issue when put side by side with sex (you're trans only because your sex doesn't match your gender, so it's related to your sex). But I guess it could be "sex and gender minorities" or something.

Not all trans folks are transsexual though.

[Lissou]

Not all trans folks are transsexual though.

But how can you be trans with it having nothing to do with your sex? If you're a transwoman, operated or not, transitioned or not, you're trans because your sex is male. Otherwise you would be a woman, but not a trans one. Right? Am I missing something? I mean if sex isn't taken into account, nobody's trans.

[cycoris]

I'm bashing my head against a deadline, therefore I can't make a proper version of it, but I quickly hacked my LGBTAitP banner to change the A to a Q.
You have to cut the one you want from the image, and probably resize it too. Sorry.

Shiny, thanks a lot!

And I've generally heard it called gender and sexual minorities (GSM), so as to reinforce the idea that gender=/=sexual orientation, as well as to make LGBTQ more friendly to kink and poly folks. /2 copper

EDIT @V: I'm genderqueer and do not consider myself to be transgender.

[Astrella]

But how can you be trans with it having nothing to do with your sex? If you're a transwoman, operated or not, transitioned or not, you're trans because your sex is male. Otherwise you would be a woman, but not a trans one. Right? Am I missing something? I mean if sex isn't taken into account, nobody's trans.

Transgender covers things like genderqueer as well.

[Coidzor]

Facebook.

How delightfully tacky of them.

Well, free material for you, at least.

Or, if you don't wanna be seeing it, because it's too painful, there's a number of ways to get those things out of your feed.

[WarKitty]

Trans woman wins radio station contest for breast implants

So. Much. Win.

[Knaight]

Trans woman wins radio station contest for breast implants

So. Much. Win.

I saw this a few days ago, and all I have to say is:

The existence of the contest to begin with was kind of unfortunate, the way it panned out completely awesome.

[Coidzor]

Trans woman wins radio station contest for breast implants

So. Much. Win.

Kind of bittersweet when you look at what led to this turn of events though. :/

No wait. Not bittersweet. What's that word for when it's all bad?

[Rappy]

No wait. Not bittersweet. What's that word for when it's all bad?

I believe that word is "funktasmical".

Or perhaps "bad". I've been wrong before.

[Coidzor]

I believe that word is "funktasmical".

Or perhaps "bad". I've been wrong before.

Hmm, probably that last one, but this "funktasmical" word, I like it. I think I shall have to find a use for this soon.

[bluewind95]

I feel I have to say... Hawflight's avatar inspired me to seek out what it was about. And I found out what it was. A movie called Arashi No Yoru Ni. And then I found out the name in English is One Stormy Night. And THEN it turns out that some fans got permission to dub it in English and put it up on YouTube. And I watched it. I must say... it's rather beautiful. I loved it.

[Lissou]

Transgender covers things like genderqueer as well.

Seriously? So you're transgender if you don't fit gender stereotypes? Doesn't that make most of the people transgender then?
It seems weird. To me there is cisgender, transgender and genderqueer, just like there is, say, straight, gay and bi. So it sounds like you're saying "oh, no, bi counts as gay" or something. Is that a recognised definition, people? And genderqueer people really trans? I mean that makes me trans and I totally don't feel comfortable with that label at all. My only struggle is people telling me I should shave my legs, I don't feel it has much to do with what a trans person goes through.

Anyways, I added the gender thing especially because of gender things, but I didn't think of it as part of the trans community.

EDIT: my last sentence is probably confusing lol. What I meant is, I added "gender" to "sexual minorities" especially because being agender, neutrois, etc, has nothing to do with sex, unlike other gender issues.

[Rappy]

Seriously? So you're transgender if you don't fit gender stereotypes? Doesn't that make most of the people transgender then?
It seems weird.

By the book, transgender is genderqueer.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment, mind you. "Genderqueer", as-is, is kind of a messy catch-all from what I've seen.

[golentan]

By the book, transgender is genderqueer.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment, mind you. "Genderqueer", as-is, is kind of a messy catch-all from what I've seen.

Transgender is genderqueer, but the reverse is not true. Transgender is a subset.

[rayne_dragon]

By the book, transgender is genderqueer.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment, mind you. "Genderqueer", as-is, is kind of a messy catch-all from what I've seen.

What book is this?

EDIT: it isn't the same one that says having an intersex condition means you're "trans," is it?

Transgender is genderqueer, but the reverse is not true. Transgender is a subset.

I've never really looked at it as one being a part of the other, I've always seen them as two separate things. One can be one, the other, both, or neither.

[Lissou]

By the book, transgender is genderqueer.

I can see transgenderism being considered part of genderqueer, just like you can say being gay and being bi both make you queer, but that doesn't mean the opposite is true. As Golentan said.

[Coidzor]

What book is this?

EDIT: it isn't the same one that says having an intersex condition means you're "trans," is it?

I dunno, but I'd swear they rewrite it every two years or something like that...

[Lissou]

About whether IS is trans... It seems to me the only way the be cis IS is to be agender, bigender or genderqueer. I mean if your sex is neither male nor female (because it's either, both, or whatever), and you gender is one or the other, then you have an established gender that doesn't match your birth sex and might want to use hormones or surgery to get your sex to match your gender. Isn't that what trans is?

On the other hand if you only take it as being born the opposite sex, then true, it doesn't apply.

In short, I can understand it being fuzzy. I don't see why IS people would be immune to gender disphoria though.

[Serpentine]

My view: Intersexed people are of intersex sex, and may exhibit tertiary personality traits more commonly found in either sex. Scientifically speaking, it would be interesting to observe which of such traits they tend to lean towards. That's it.

[Lissou]

My view: Intersexed people are of intersex sex, and may exhibit tertiary personality traits more commonly found in either sex. Scientifically speaking, it would be interesting to observe which of such traits they tend to lean towards. That's it.

Well, that matches my view on people in general if you replace intersex with any sex. My point was that I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to identify as a non-intersex gender (and therefore a transgender) like everyone else.