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GitP Conworlding/Worldbuilding Project - Language Thread
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Welcome to the Giant in the Playground Conworlding Project Language Thread.
What is this about? Well, linguistic discussion was taking up a large part of the thread. So the idea was offered that we make a thread mainly for language, as to not scare away others.
Now, currently we are working on the Northern River Sharlaq Proto-Language, which we can then make other languages off of.
Soon, I will post up the information I have accumulated.
Now, linguistics time!
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I always thought the word kufe would be a cool replacement for the word life. Though I only think that because it was a typo I once made and I ran with it.
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The 'One Left' typo, eh?
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Well, most people here won't know what I'm talking about (wait for MK's update on the first post), but how are the new 3rd Declension's Vowels going to be (I didn't check the others, but I guess they're okay)?
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And bam, here's what I've got recorded for the Northern River-Sharlaq Proto-Language right now.
Right here.
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The Dreaded Third Post, sorry.
Anyway, I have an idea. What if we had a negative at the end of the sentence? Like Japanese? (I have no idea if any other languages use that. ) So if you wanted to say, for example, "I didn't eat an apple", you would say, "Eat I an apple didn't." Sound good to you guys?
Also, thinking more about the numbers. I'm thinking about one for "none", one for "single", one for "indefinite even", and one for "indefinite odd." How does this sound? So, let's say you didn't want to eat some apples. You would say "Eat I [indefinite odd] apple didn't", or something to that effect.
Also, how should we go about working on the words, when we get to them?
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Could be.
Wait, why should we make things different if the number is even (not divisible by two) or odd (divisible by two)?
Yeah, I didn't get what "indefinite even/odd" means...
Now, THAT's a good question...
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Wait, why should we make things different if the number is even (not divisible by two) or odd (divisible by two)?
Yeah, I didn't get what "indefinite even/odd" means...
O\(O.o)/ Don't know, just thought of it on impulse. So, how bout Null, Singular, and Plural, then? Does that sound good?
Now, THAT's a good question...
I'll try to learn something on phonetics first. I guess it will be pretty important.Last edited by Maximum Zersk; 2010-05-21 at 09:16 PM.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Also, we should define the syllable structure, and then build words from that. Common words should be short, one or two syllables. Except when they are related to other simple words. For instance, riverkin may have a word for 'water', and the word for 'sea' coming from 'harmful' and 'water' stuck together, because salt water might be harmful for them. The double word has evolved slightly, and although you can recognize the origins as 'harmful water', it is no longer two words but one. Like if it was "watermful", for instance.
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Well, this is just a Proto-language, so we don't need to worry about language evolution yet. We'll get to that soon enough.
The syllable structure is CVC. So Consonant-Vowel-Consonant. I'm thinking that the first Consonant won't be mandatory. How does that sound?
I think that the first words to think of would be "water", "to see", and "to swim." Considering they are some of the first things that the Sharlaq will do in their lives, they'll come first.
I'm thinking a bit. I'll post up some words as I think of them.
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ok, so [C]VC it is. Yeah, those are good first words. They may end up use 'swim' are our 'go'. Plus, of course, words for themselves.
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I thought the same thing, having the word "to go" and "to swim" as the same thing.
Now let's see here...
Water; Jiqq, Feminine.
Forms of Jiqq would be: Jiqqsil, Jiqqech/Jiqqekh, Jiqqtsik, Jiqqching/Jiqqkhing, Jiqqech/Jiqqekh.
Man, Romanization's a pain. Anyway, the "J" is pronounced like other European languages: like a "Y". And the ch is pronounced German style. Like "Kh". I made the word one syllable long, so it doesn't get too big.
Anyway, moving on.
Crap, I just remembered. We can't work on verbs until we've figured out how we're going to do tense.
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Yeah, we should really think about the other lexical classes we have (which are they and how they work).
Besides naming first the things they do first, we could also name what the elders want them to learn first (gods, people [sharlaq, isn't it?], brother, etc.).I'm not an English native speaker. If you find any mistake, please PM me.
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I'm thinking of the standard ones; nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjective, adverbs, pre/postpositions, conjunctions, articles, etc.
I've heard of conlangs that get rid of one of those classes. Don't know how to do it, though.
I'll make a verb conjugation chart later.
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Usually by having another category double up. For instance, a conlang may avoid adjectives like "red", instead having a verb "to red". "This car reds", "The table redded, but we painted it and now it blacks", "The traffic lights are redding" (because it's temporary), so on.
I'm not sure this fits with any of our races. For verbs, what tenses are we gonna have? some conlangs have multiple pasts and futures. For instance, Sharlaq could have "past", "immediate past" (like, in the last hour or so, or maybe less. If something else big enough happened in between then it's no longer immediate past), "present", and "future".
Highly technical gnomes, when we get to them, can get a full spectrum like ancient, distant past, recent past, yesterday, earlier today, immediate past, present, immediate future, tomorrow, in the next week, future, eventual future. Or something like that.
The cool thing of conlangs is that one can experiment a lot, hehe.
Back to Sharlaq, since it's agglutinative, then aspect (swam vs was swimming vs had swam) could be a different modifier.
Jitsech = to swim (derived from Jiqq)
Jitsechkul = swim(s)
Jitsechtak = swam
Jitsechkulol = is swimming
Jitsechtakol = was swimming.
Jitsechtakach = had swam
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I don't really understand the difference. What is the difference between perfect and non-perfect, progressive and non-progressive exactly?
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Perfect shows the action is over, while non-perfect means it was on-going. Basically:
I ate this morning (I'm not eating now, but I was eating at the time I'm talking about)
I had eaten already (I had finished eating before the time I'm talking about. The action was already complete, perfect)
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There's one thing I always mess up here. Are our crocs pacific or aggressive? I believe it affects the language somehow. Aggressive would have more future tenses than past ones (focus on the future actions) and pacific would have more past tenses (focus on the history). It's just an opinion.
And what are the grammatical persons (?) we'll have and which persons (?) will have different verb conjugations?Last edited by Tulio d Bard; 2010-05-24 at 07:44 PM.
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Okay, Conjugation table time.
{TABLE]|Singular|Plural
First|-ak|--|
Second|-ach|--|
Third|-att|--|
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Does this seem good? The plural would be the same as the singular. One would have to tell from context.
Some Tenses.
Ancient Past, Moderate Past, Recent Past, Present, Future.
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Ach is pronounced with the english ch. It's getting a bit confusing, so I'm going to reorganize the romanization.
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Okay, verb time.
To swim, to move; Jeqq
To speak; Keng
To see; Seh
To breath; Nots
To listen; Qey
To be; Shul
And pronouns.
First-person singular; Tet
Second-person singular; Erget
Third-person singular; Shur
First-person plural; Tetnij
Second-person plural; Ergetnij
Third-person plural; Shurnij
EDIT: So a sentence may look like:
Tetlaq sehak jiqekh. (I see water.)
EDITEDIT: Whoops! Grammar mistake!
Here's a fixed sentence.
Sehak tetlaq jiqekh.Last edited by Maximum Zersk; 2010-05-25 at 11:10 PM.
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Nouns
{TABLE]English|Sharlaq|Gender||English|Sharlaq|Gender||English|Sharlaq|Gender
Fire|Tsun|Neuter||Head|Nang|Masculine||Flow
Sky|Chal|Masculine||Hand|Ngiol|Feminine||Spring
Clouds|Het|Neuter||Tail|Terat|Neuter||Summer
Sea|Jiqqtill|Masculine||Mouth|Kengnang|Masculine||Fall
Order|Adqan|Neuter||Arm|Tsaiar|Masculine||Winter
Chaos|Tsinadqan|Neuter||Leg|Shot|Neuter||Tree
Male|Ngoin|Masculine||Foot|Nok|Neuter||Animal
Female|Khar|Feminine||Stomach|Tsouh|Feminine||Magic
Child|Shar|Feminine||Chest|Arget|Masculine
Land|Etsat|Masculine||Eye|Sehneken|Feminine
River|Etsatjiqq|Feminine||Snout/Nose|Edetneken|Neuter
Rain|Chaljiqq|Neuter||Light|Oidul|Neuter
Island|Jiqqtilletsat|Masculine||Shadow|Dene'oidul|Neuter
Small Island|Jiqqtsintilletsat|Masculine||Sun|Etairajoqqul|Feminine
Creek|Tsintilletsatjiqq|Feminine||Moon|Denetairajoqqul|Masculine
Past|Otsten|Masculine||Day|Etaira|Feminine
Future|Eten|Feminine||Night|Denetaira|Masculine
Seer|Etensehsharlaq|Feminine||Star|Joqqul|Neuter
[/TABLE]
Adjectives
{TABLE]English|Sharlaq
Big|Atill
Small|Tsintill
Hot|Tseqq
Cold|Tsintseqq
Fast|Dek
Slow|Tsindek
Far|Aik
Close|Tsinaik
Blind|Denseh
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Verb
{TABLE]English|Sharlaq
To live|Altateq
To die|Denaltateq
To hear|Aeqateq
To eat|Qqenteq
To drink|Jiqqenteq
[/TABLE]
Articles
{TABLE]English|Sharlaq
The (Definite Article, Masculine)|Jash
The (Definite Article, Feminine)|Jesh
The (Definite Article, Neuter)|Josh
A (Indefinite Article, Masculine)|Ajash
A (Indefinite Article, Feminine)|Ajesh
A (Indefinite Article, Neuter)|Ajosh
[/TABLE]
Postpositions
{TABLE]English|Sharlaq
Above|Khoin
Under|Denakhoin
Within|Terdoin
Without|Denaterdoin
Beside|Choin
Behind|Denajoin
In front|Join
To|Qoin
From|Toroin
[/TABLE]
Sentence example.
The man sees under the sun.
Sees the man the sun under.
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Wow, you advanced things a lot now!
Then we have the following endings:
- Nouns: -sil, -qekh, -tsik, -khing, -qqeh, -laq, -yal, -chaaq, -ngil, -was, -ruk, -hokh, -nuqq, -ur, -onguk;
- Verbs: -ak, -ach, -att (we only have present tense until now);
- Postpositions: -oin;
We also have the Hak- prefix for plural nouns, the infix -nij- (between the stem and the declension suffix) for plural pronouns, and the prefix Dena- for opposite postpositions.
All the articles have an -sh ending and indefinite articles have an A- prefix, although there is no problem using them in other words (I guess).
The Tsin particle indicates "opposite" and Dene means something like "night version".
Are pronouns normally declined (according to gender)?
Is there any reason for all those -teq verb endings or were you just making things simpler?
Does "Beside"/"Choing" have this ending "g"?
Shouldn't we decline Etairrajoqqul as Locative, making it Etairrajoqqulkhing?
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Basically Right.
The Tsin particle indicates "opposite" and Dene means something like "night version".
Are pronouns normally declined (according to gender)?
Is there any reason for all those -teq verb endings or were you just making things simpler?
Does "Beside"/"Choing" have this ending "g"?
Shouldn't we decline Etairrajoqqul as Locative, making it Etairrajoqqulkhing?
I'll fix the mistakes, then.
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