Final Fantasy X d20 (PDF Now Available!)

[Tobi_goodboy]

Originally Posted by AL1GN

The PDF is finally available!
Click here!

This link works, its from post #2

unfortuantely it doesnt for me

[Zeta Kai]

Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard

Oh well. Guess I'll have to give them an antidote in the post battle treasure trove as well as a Soft (tip for this game: if your players have terrible Saves don't send a Dinonix after them. It doesn't end well.)

Thanks again.

Yeah, I was thinking about putting notes of what items should be included in the treasure for each monster, but I don't to stray too far from standard D&D. Plus, I think that it's up to each DM to choose their party's treasure, not some dictator writing a monster book. The Steal line in the monster entry does mention Soft as the normal steal-able item, so maybe a Bandit would be good to have in your party.

Originally Posted by Temotei221

Agreed. Dinonix = annihilation. Of course, we only have the 2 characters, but still. Good thing we had an evil mirror image of Auron come in, saving them to make himself appear as a friend, then later have his minion who killed pretty much a tenth of Kilika's population attack us. -_- Ifrit saved the day.

And yes, the Dinonix is actually rather tough for a CR1 monster. He's really no big deal to defeat (he has moderate HP & low AC), & the Petrify attack has a low (DC12) Fortitude save to negate, so a party with plenty of Softs should do alright. Plus, Dino's attacks say Mute OR Petrify, so a kind DM could consistently choose to Mute his players if they cannot handle petrification.

Originally Posted by Tobi_goodboy

unfortuantely it doesnt for me

1) That guy was trying to help, but he's incorrect (although he did help me indirectly by pointing in the direction that I needed to look to fix the underlying problem). The other links should would just fine, & if they don't...

2) ...You can PM me you email address, & I will send the file to you manually. Yes, it's not only free, but I will shove it down your throat send you a copy, so you don't have to go get it.

[Temotei221]

Unfortunately, our rules were random generation of the status. 1 - 10 = Mute...11 - 20 = Petrify. And even more unfortunately, we got high numbers every time. And we have a summoner and a bandit.

[zerombr]

that last post made me think....what about a game that isn't focused on a summoner's pilgrimage? Anyone do that yet? Come to think of it, who here is currently in/running a FFX game?

[Kobold-Bard]

Originally Posted by zerombr

that last post made me think....what about a game that isn't focused on a summoner's pilgrimage? Anyone do that yet? Come to think of it, who here is currently in/running a FFX game?

I tried that before this one, but no one replied. I basically listed a million and one options (from Pilgrimage to being a Crusader, to being a Hypello in Measter Mika's harem), but apparently no one was interested.

[zerombr]

well, a unique setting is harder to find players for, i'm certain. One might think that it'd be easier recruiting off of this own thread, or a group discussion thread of the game/d20 conversion than from the general public.

[Temotei221]

Our campaign takes place just before the end of Yuna's pilgrimage. We're assuming they collected the legendary weapons, and have the celestial mirror. (Which is cursed, and created the double of Auron)

[Kobold-Bard]

<Bumping because I'm opening a new campaign recruitment thread.>

[Sairyu]

I am so interested. :x

Also, I have some questions for Zeta Kai about a few things, if he has time.

Xtouch-Xstrike weapons
20+1/2 character level+cha mod is really good. If you're hitting multiple times, a normal monster just won't be able to save. Even 10+1/2 character level+cha mod is pretty good. Wouldn't it make more sense to not have Xtouch-Xstrike weapons scale up with the user? Most enchantments don't, and I don't see why Xtouch-Xstrike weapons should. DC10+cha mod (+2 overall) or 20+cha mod (+3 overall) are still powerful options for their cost.

Piercing
Piercing seems incredibly powerful for a +3 enchantment. It allows you to totally ignore natural armor as well as damage reduction, making all your attacks, in essence, touch/ranged touch attacks. The closest equivalent to this that I've found is the Deep Impact psionic feat, which requires the user to expend their psionic focus (not that it's a huge deal I guess) to gain the benefit. The issue I have with this is how it totally marginalizes monsters which rely on natural armor to provide for large chunks of their AC (as well as Fighters in plate mail, golems, etc...).

Using a piercing weapon, someone with full or even 3/4th BAB progression (making touch attacks on every attack) is probably not going to miss very often. Considering that the monster with the highest AC that I could find (non-epic) that didn't involve natural armor to a large extent was Spectral Keeper (AC23ish?) and that many of the monsters with lots of natural armor AC (i.e. Anima) can be hit with rolls in the 1X range, a 2-h weapon user is going to have a very happy time with power attacks.

Giving monsters/antagonistic NPCs lots of dodge/deflection/unspecified bonuses to AC or increasing monster HP to reflect how tank they are just feels like a really cheap way of dealing with this enchantment. Alternatively, I suppose regeneration or fast healing could replace DR as a similar deterrent? Personally, I feel that it would be more balanced if it were a +2 enchantment which only ignored DR (I don't believe that having piercing on your weapon shouldn't make it easier to hit something).

What are your thoughts on this enchantment? Am I missing something important?

Break-HP-Limit
For a +3 enchantment, hp rolls are maxed and you add your level in addition to your con mod to hp every time you level up. At level 10, with +0 con, you have a +55 unspecified bonus to your hp as well as maxed out health. An HD4 class will have 95hp and be on par with an HD10 class with a +3 con mod and without break-hp-limit armor has, on average, 88hp (55+4.5+30).

Even better, the HP bonus doesn't disappear when you change armor. Without punishing players via save-or-die effects, there aren't many good ways to deal with the massively boosted hp total that a character using this kind of armor with inevitably accrue. If everyone uses the enchantment, you can just scale up monster damage output or simply throw more monsters into an encounter (or nastier traps, or something to whittle off the excess hp), but if only one or two people in the party decide to use it...

Also, shouldn't this, following fluff from the game, be an epic enchantment?

Battle-length buffs
Can battle-length buffs like haste, cheer, and luck be pre-casted before a battle? Say if the party sees a group of Fiends in the distance and decides to buff up before going off to engage, is this a legit way of doing things, seeing as how they technically aren't in a battle yet?

Pray
Pray is an ability that doesn't cost MP to use. It can also be cast outside of battle (the descriptive text doesn't say it can't, and spells normally can, so I'm assuming it can), meaning that a Summoner can just top up the party for free given enough time between encounters (10 rounds is a minute I think?).

In the games (FFX, FFX-2), Pray was not usable outside of battle, probably to avoid this issue. Was this ability designed in this manner or is this an oversight?

[Kobold-Bard]

Originally Posted by Sairyu

I am so interested. :x

Well then here's the recruitment thread.

[Tobi_goodboy]

*points out that pugilists with a +2 con modifyer usually end up with equal-to-or-more MP than HP--which is odd for a melee class, even if they're also casters*

[Kobold-Bard]

What the hell, now that the project is finished I figure I might as well annoy Zeta some more

Would it be possible to make the Summoning ability into some kind of template? Then giving Summoners (or White Mages as they would now be called) some offensive abilities (like lesser versions of Holy) to make up for it.

[Godna]

I have an issue with 2 of the conditions

• Slayer: Gain 5 OP each round in which you successfully kill an opponent
• Hero: Gain 5 OP each round in which you successfully kill an opponent using a coup de grace maneuver, or whenever you kill an opponent by dealing damage that is 5× (or more) your opponent’s current HP

Hero is just an inferior more restrictive slayer condition. Might i recommend it grant more OP?

[Temotei221]

Avenger is pretty inferior, too, because it relies on your allies dying, and besides that, only offers 6 OP per death. Maybe if they were knocked unconscious, or every round they are dying, then lower it to 3 - 5 OP per round?

Hero should be 7 or 8, you would think. Or just change the conditions. Maybe change it to "If an ally is being attacked, you may make a reflex saving throw (or an opposed initiative check, in which you would both roll for initiative again, just for that action) with a DC equal to the attack roll of the opponent (maybe add 2 - 5 or something, or add the level of the opponent...or (opponent's level - character level, minimum 1)). If it succeeds, you can take the attack onto yourself by moving in front of the ally, pushing them out of the way (5 feet?), stepping over them (if prone or sitting/kneeling, etc.), etc."

Just some thoughts.

[lesser_minion]

Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard

What the hell, now that the project is finished I figure I might as well annoy Zeta some more

Would it be possible to make the Summoning ability into some kind of template? Then giving Summoners (or White Mages as they would now be called) some offensive abilities (like lesser versions of Holy) to make up for it.

I'm pretty sure Zeta had a rather irritable-sounding post many pages ago to the effect that he really didn't like the idea, although with extra offensive capabilities you might have a better argument.

If I were making any sort of changes along these lines, I'd probably change the classes around so that players were presented with a whole series of ultra-light 'half-classes' and were able to mix and match two of them - so instead of having 'Summoner' who specialises in summoning and healing, you would have a Summoner//White Mage. You could also combine Summoner//Black Mage or Summoner//Bandit if you wanted.

I think that would make a decent compromise as far as the earlier argument was concerned.

It's also a concept I might try to extend to the standard game at some point.

[Zeta Kai]

Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard

Would it be possible to make the Summoning ability into some kind of template? Then giving Summoners (or White Mages as they would now be called) some offensive abilities (like lesser versions of Holy) to make up for it.

I will never do that. As I stated here, here, & here, I think that's a Bad Idea. It's not faithful to the source material at all, it nerfs the Summoner class from a Tier 3 class to a Tier 5, & a scaling-power template is difficult to balance. It's thematically, mechanically, & fundamentally wrong. In short, it belongs here as much as a class based on Rainbow Brite. I will not hear of this poor concept again.

On a lighter note, I've been kicking around some ideas to improve this project further, & they include a number of possible tweaks/additions. Please post any of your suggestions for improvements that you'd like to see in Version 1.2, & I'll see what I can do. Here's what I have so far:

• Add Advancement for monsters
• Add visual descriptions for monsters
• Provoke needs to be clarified if to resist each turn, like the save to attack a summoner, or to ignore the entire effect of provoke
• Raise Doublecast feat to Will save +10
• Black Mages can’t afford a Battle Doll at 1st level & is not proficient with it; fix this
• Lower HP Stroll to +4
• Fix MP Stroll typos, lower to +4
• Clarify SOS Overdrive (gain 100OP)
• Buying Ethers & using abilities is far cheaper than using items; raise Ether price
• X-Potion is more expensive than an Elixir; raise Elixir price
• Lower the Slayer Overdrive condition from 5OP to 4OP
• Raise the Hero Overdrive condition from 5OP to 8OP
• Raise the Avenger Overdrive condition from 6OP to 12OP

Any others you wanna see in the next version?

[Godna]

I'd like it if you'd release a copy of the excel sheet you built the picture of the sphere grid with.

[Loxagn]

Great work on this, by the way.

Me and a few friends are going to try a quick one-off with this to get a feel for it, might even go for more if it turns out well.