View Poll Results: Should Miko lose her paladin powers... AGAIN?
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Thread: Is Miko Responsible?
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2007-04-23, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is Miko Responsible?
This board seriously lacks Miko threads thanks to Roy going and getting himself killed. Way to steal the spotlight, Roy.
So, through convoluted logic, (which Miko anti-fans and Miko fans alike are no stranger to) Miko could be seen as responsible for Roy's death. Should she lose her paladin powers a second time?a secret to everybody.
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2007-04-23, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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GOD NO!!! welll maybe... kinda... possibly...
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2007-04-23, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is not an accusation.. but just a humorous Theory... so bear with me.
If it wasn't for Miko killing Shojo, Roy would probably never have jumped on the dragon.. so therefore it is Miko's fault.Avatar by Abardam.
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2007-04-23, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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What do you mean lose them a second time?
She's already lost her powers. Do you mean that the moment she regains her powers they be stripped immediately?
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2007-04-23, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-23, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-23, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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If Miko wouldnt have killed Shojo, she would be in the battle right now and wouldnt have let Roy jump up to Xykon because she would have thought he would have plotted against AC with Xykon.
So yes, it's her fault that he is dead.
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2007-04-23, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh please, if the Oracle wasn't so anal about answering the question exactly to the specifications of the asker, then Roy wouldn't have phrased the question the way he did, and the city would have been much better prepared. So it's the Oracle's fault.
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2007-04-23, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Curse you Miko, why did you have to kill Roy?!
Im sorry I didnt have time to sit down and bash out a speech in Iambic pentameter, I was hit in the face with an atomic explosion!
Get well soon, Roy
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2007-04-23, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thog bad paladin.
a secret to everybody.
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2007-04-23, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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By the logic of the people clamoring for Belkar to instantly drop dead just because of some vague statements about his birthday cake and the twisted reasoning that claims he's the cause of Roy's death, Miko is also the cause of Roy's death and should be punished accordingly.
Spell it with me now: X-Y-K-O-N
"AAAARRGGHH!!!"
SPLAT!
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2007-04-23, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-23, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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In OOTS-verse, it seem to take a willful act of evil to lose paladinhood. You don't have to know it's evil, but you have to do it willingly. Miko happened to play into Xykon's schemes by showing him where the key to destroying the world was, not to mention working against the heroes-fated-to-save-the-universe many times, but she didn't do that knowingly or intentionally. She killed Shojo, who registered good to detect evil, intentionally.
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2007-04-23, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-23, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think rather than Miko falling, a brick should fall.
From the prison ceiling. Onto her head. And knock some sense into her skull.Now if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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2007-04-23, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait killing brain cells would be an improvement for Miko?!
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2007-04-23, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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thog fall off barstool. thog now is "thog the fallen".
Belkar's Bad to the Bone.
Dispossible a fetter hein and bemay kine a sinder's tock.
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2007-04-23, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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That would genuinely help, unfortunately, as I wonder if meditating, as she's apparently doing now, is really doing her any good. >_>
As for whether she's really responsible.....possibly inadvertently, but there's a good deal of others who could be claimed as being partially responsible. This includes Eugene (who is responsible for the Blood Oath, as well as partially responsible for getting Roy and the OoTS brought to Azure City) and Belkar (for giving the ring to Roy).
But really, responsibility really lies with Roy. He chose to continue to fight Xykon, even when it was horrendously apparent he had no chance of defeating him. While he was given the chance to back down by Xykon and wait until he was stronger before fighting him, Roy refused and insisted on continuing their fight then and there (though, really, it's hard to blame him for that; it would be fairly insulting to accept an invitation to back down from your enemy, let alone the fact that it would basically be the same thing as giving the gate up to Xykon). Xykon was 7-8 levels higher than Roy, meaning he was either Epic level or damn close to it, and on top of that has a, what, +2 CR modifier for being a lich? Roy had no chance of winning. But I digress...
As for Miko losing her powers again, I really don't think she would. Again, while she could be considered inadverntently responsible for the death of another good person, I think that it's just too much of a stretch for her to be considered responsible enough to lose her powers again.Assistant Executioneer of the Fanclub
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2007-04-23, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Let's just say
basicallyeverything is Miko's fault.The Linear Equation:
x[Linear Guild] = y[Order of the Stick]
And when graphed, it looks like this:
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2007-04-23, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Everything that isn't Miko's fault is Belkar's fault. But Elan gets the blame.
Belkar's Bad to the Bone.
Dispossible a fetter hein and bemay kine a sinder's tock.
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2007-04-23, 10:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because this is such a homorus thread, i voted yes
But in regards to this
But really, responsibility really lies with Roy. He chose to continue to fight Xykon, even when it was horrendously apparent he had no chance of defeating him. While he was given the chance to back down by Xykon and wait until he was stronger before fighting him, Roy refused and insisted on continuing their fight then and there (though, really, it's hard to blame him for that; it would be fairly insulting to accept an invitation to back down from your enemy, let alone the fact that it would basically be the same thing as giving the gate up to Xykon). Xykon was 7-8 levels higher than Roy, meaning he was either Epic level or damn close to it, and on top of that has a, what, +2 CR modifier for being a lich? Roy had no chance of winning. But I digress...
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2007-04-23, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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You people hurt my brain
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2007-04-23, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think we should invent the "re-fall" just for Miko, and submit it to the spoooky wizards for their approval and inclusion in future works.
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2007-04-23, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not dissing Roy. I believe he did the right thing. I'm simply saying that his death was due to his own choices, and you really can't blame anyone else for what happened. I also don't recall where murder comes into this, unless you're referring to Xykon killing Roy. I'm a gigantic Roy fan myself; I'm simply saying you can't blame anyone other than him and Xykon for his death. Xykon is the one that causes his death; Roy is the one who led to that being the cause.
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2007-04-23, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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No. And for one reason only. She's already fallen! You can't lose your paladin powers twice without regaining them in between. Think people, think.
Last edited by Duke Malagigi; 2007-04-23 at 10:59 PM.
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Re: Is Miko Responsible?
Not necessarily a Blackguard...
{table]Miko|->|Miko, later
Detect Evil|->|Detect Protagonists
Smite Evil|->|Smite Logic
Lay on Hands|->|Lay on the Punishment (Heavy)
Summon Windstriker|->|Beat the Dead Horse
Charisma Bonus[br]to Saves|->|Bonus to Saves[br]Against Charisma
[/table]Last edited by Demented; 2007-04-23 at 11:43 PM.
Belkar's Bad to the Bone.
Dispossible a fetter hein and bemay kine a sinder's tock.
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2007-04-23, 11:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Best. Graph. Ever.
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