On Keveak saying all science fiction takes place in the future:
Time travel usually takes place "now," and might only take place in the past. i.e. Back to the Future.
Also, Jurassic Park takes place in what was "now," way back in 1993. (If I'm not mistaken...)
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You guys seem dead set on fitting it into either science fiction or fantasy. Why? It can certainly be both or a mixture of the two, as Nameless said.
I don't actually care about it I just want it to be right (example: Eragon is fantasy but I don't care because the story is fine anyway, then someone say it's scifi and then I care about it not being right but still not think it having a genre matter)
Let me settle this once and for all. Just because it has magic doesn't completely alter the setting. Don't some people consider Shadowrun Sci-fi?
The way I see it, the general setting is based on technology and culture.
P3, definitely scifi. Just because it had magic in it didn't make it not sci fi.
On Keveak saying all science fiction takes place in the future:
Time travel usually takes place "now," and might only take place in the past. i.e. Back to the Future.
Also, Jurassic Park takes place in what was "now," way back in 1993. (If I'm not mistaken...)
For once Back to the future is in the future of Marty Mcfly (and start in the future of the time it was made thus everything that happens is a future event of that time) no matter how far back he travels in time it's still HIS future (else it would be pretty paradoxical)
You also seems to miss that when Jurassic park is made THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE IT and then (since it doesn't happen in the past) it must be in the future (how long has nothing to do with it, it could be happening a nanosecond later it's still future)
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@Rand: yes it does, scifi has to be possible giving the knowledge of the time an example is War of the worlds where the aliens make people into blood (that's what people thought your stomach did to food) which wouldn't be scifi if wroten now (we know tey where wrong)
Ask your English teacher or something, I've only heard them mentioned once (it's part of basic danish education to know the genres and what they generally are not why) but I know that they are part of some official rules for literature (I believe it's for stuff like "the years best Scifi book" awards so you are sure it qualifies for it, or maybe it's just how governments are) whether or not we need to use them is up to us, they only matter if we want to have it official (we could call it scifi but they might say fantasy).
I don't have an English teacher, as I don't take English. But when I was taking English there was no mention of "Genre Rules", and at times we discussed what genre particular works of literature fit into.
There are no "rules" as to what defines a genre, just general consensus. If a fantasy novel was nominated for a Sci Fi award, it just wouldn't win, would it?
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Ah, screw you. I said it wasn't Science Fiction. ABR isn't even soft sci-fi (which is defined as not being hard sci-fi), it's Fantasy with Sci-Fi elements. It's definitely Speculative Fiction, and P3 at least is Science Fantasy.
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Let me settle this once and for all. Just because it has magic doesn't completely alter the setting. Don't some people consider Shadowrun Sci-fi?
Yeah, but "some people" are generally ignorant. Shadowrun is cyberpunk/urban fantasy
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The way I see it, the general setting is based on technology and culture.
P3, definitely scifi. Just because it had magic in it didn't make it not sci fi.
Having magic makes it fantasy. Having advanced technology that resembles magic is Sci-Fi, but sword and sorcery style magic is fantasy.
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For once Back to the future is in the future of Marty Mcfly (and start in the future of the time it was made thus everything that happens is a future event of that time) no matter how far back he travels in time it's still HIS future (else it would be pretty paradoxical)
By that definition, every work of fiction is set in the future, and so using the time of setting to define genre is redundant.
As said by Edward Roivas in the opening of Eternal Darkness "Believe it or not as you will, you perceptions will not change reality... merely colour it." And at this point I don't really know if I'm aiming that at anybody, or just everybody in general.
I should write some horror. I've been told I have a knack for it.
For once Back to the future is in the future of Marty Mcfly (and start in the future of the time it was made thus everything that happens is a future event of that time) no matter how far back he travels in time it's still HIS future (else it would be pretty paradoxical)
You also seems to miss that when Jurassic park is made THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE IT and then (since it doesn't happen in the past) it must be in the future (how long has nothing to do with it, it could be happening a nanosecond later it's still future)
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One, He starts in the present, goes to the past, and comes back. It takes place "now."
As for Jurassic park, it still took place in the present.
Also, time progresses in most books, movies, whatever, so technically all books could theoretically take place in the future.
I won't even get into the subject of alternate histories...(Not exactly sci-fi, but yeah.)
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As said by Edward Roivas in the opening of Eternal Darkness "Believe it or not as you will, you perceptions will not change reality... merely colour it." And at this point I don't really know if I'm aiming that at anybody, or just everybody in general.
I should write some horror. I've been told I have a knack for it.
Lovecraftian Magical Girl horror?
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Ah, screw you. I said it wasn't Science Fiction. ABR isn't even soft sci-fi (which is defined as not being hard sci-fi), it's Fantasy with Sci-Fi elements. It's definitely Speculative Fiction, and P3 at least is Science Fantasy.
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I don't have an English teacher, as I don't take English. But when I was taking English there was no mention of "Genre Rules", and at times we discussed what genre particular works of literature fit into.
There are no "rules" as to what defines a genre, just general consensus. If a fantasy novel was nominated for a Sci Fi award, it just wouldn't win, would it?
By that definition, every work of fiction is set in the future, and so using the time of setting to define genre is redundant.
There are rules, everyone make them (including Tvtropes as we've seen) I just mentioned that there are official accepted rules (not important to us but is to those award people and probably also has other uses I can't really think of now) We don't need t follow them though (which makes it more confusing) and I agree that the idea is weird, but my Danish teacher told us about them (it weren't required though there had just been something with a book those rule guys couldn't place and our teacher heard about it and mentioned it, then told us some more about it) so I believe there's something right about their existance.
And no, not every work in fiction is, robinhood stories is set several hundreds of years ago (wether it's real or not aint really important) and most fantasy is set in different worlds than ours (so it doesn't matter when because unless our world is in the story it aint comparable)
...she chimes while grinning demonically and then procceeds to giggle a hollow, soulless giggle? (Hey, I thought it up in less then a few minutes and it's not even intended to be read as a narrative.)
There are rules, everyone make them (including Tvtropes as we've seen) I just mentioned that there are official accepted rules (not important to us but is to those award people and probably also has other uses I can't really think of now) We don't need t follow them though (which makes it more confusing) and I agree that the idea is weird, but my Danish teacher told us about them (it weren't required though there had just been something with a book those rule guys couldn't place and our teacher heard about it and mentioned it, then told us some more about it) so I believe there's something right about their existance.
There are personal guidelines, the most common of which are written down in places like TVtropes. There are no hard and fast rules. I seriously doubt the existence of "rule guys" who define the genre of each work of fiction.
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And no, not every work in fiction is, robinhood stories is set several hundreds of years ago (wether it's real or not aint really important) and most fantasy is set in different worlds than ours (so it doesn't matter when because unless our world is in the story it aint comparable)
But it was set in the future of Robin, wasn't it? From your example, all fiction is set in the future of the characters.
One, He starts in the present, goes to the past, and comes back. It takes place "now."
As for Jurassic park, it still took place in the present.
Also, time progresses in most books, movies, whatever, so technically all books could theoretically take place in the future.
I won't even get into the subject of alternate histories...(Not exactly sci-fi, but yeah.)
It can't happen in the exact same nanosecond (the book might be writen in the same year or even day but not that close) none of those thing could (then it would start a the same exact second as the book is made, oh wait it would still happen after that point anyway as soon as any amount of time has passed) In back to the future he does travel back in time but it happens in the future (if it hadn't then he would have time traveled before the movie was made which would make it aternative history) back to the "now" thing; the present (aka when the work of fiction was made) doesn't change so it has to move past it, right
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@Keris: Doubt the rules if you want I just said what I've been told. And Robin exists in the past so it's still in the past unless he live longenough to go past the present whereas Marty starts in the future (there goes several hours) whether or not he get's to the past is irrelevant since it technically happenbs past the present (the time travel starts in the future so it's a future event)
...she chimes while grinning demonically and then procceeds to giggle a hollow, soulless giggle? (Hey, I thought it up in less then a few minutes and it's not even intended to be read as a narrative.)
There you go! Just toss in some creepy insane musings about friendship and your golden!
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The way I see it, this can be solved fairly easily, if people agree with me. Avbaroy has many futuristic weapons, and it has space (ship) whales, and robot aliens. As such, this would give it the label 'Sci-Fi'. However, it also has magic, and dragons. I would like to point out, though, that we often give 'physics' to the magic and stuff, thanks to MM. Not that this makes much difference, but all the same. Given that it has advanced weapons, and advanced technology in general, I call it steampunk. Steampunk isn't pure Sci-Fi, but rather a label for advanced technology. Or is it spacepunk? *shrug*
Anyways, steampunk/spacepunk fantasy seems about right.
Also, Keveak, clearly you are misinformed. There's a book, can't remember the title, in which a bunch of kids from our time stop an alien invasion (with help, of course). There are fantasy creatures, incidentally, but if there had not been, it would be Sci-Fi. Even though it happens in present-day time. Nanoseconds make no difference. It has to be a substantial difference to be 'the future'.
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The way I see it, this can be solved fairly easily, if people agree with me. Avbaroy has many futuristic weapons, and it has space (ship) whales, and robot aliens. As such, this would give it the label 'Sci-Fi'. However, it also has magic, and dragons. I would like to point out, though, that we often give 'physics' to the magic and stuff, thanks to MM. Not that this makes much difference, but all the same. Given that it has advanced weapons, and advanced technology in general, I call it steampunk. Steampunk isn't pure Sci-Fi, but rather a label for advanced technology. Or is it spacepunk? *shrug*
Anyways, steampunk/spacepunk fantasy seems about right.
Also, Keveak, clearly you are misinformed. There's a book, can't remember the title, in which a bunch of kids from our time stop an alien invasion (with help, of course). There are fantasy creatures, incidentally, but if there had not been, it would be Sci-Fi. Even though it happens in present-day time. Nanoseconds make no difference. It has to be a substantial difference to be 'the future'.
Steampunk is actually a pseudo-Victorian setting with lots of brass, steam engines and Zeppelins. In my opinion, we can call all of the Avbaroy plots Schizotech Fantasy.
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The way I see it, this can be solved fairly easily, if people agree with me. Avbaroy has many futuristic weapons, and it has space (ship) whales, and robot aliens. As such, this would give it the label 'Sci-Fi'. However, it also has magic, and dragons. I would like to point out, though, that we often give 'physics' to the magic and stuff, thanks to MM. Not that this makes much difference, but all the same. Given that it has advanced weapons, and advanced technology in general, I call it steampunk. Steampunk isn't pure Sci-Fi, but rather a label for advanced technology. Or is it spacepunk? *shrug*
Anyways, steampunk/spacepunk fantasy seems about right.
Also, Keveak, clearly you are misinformed. There's a book, can't remember the title, in which a bunch of kids from our time stop an alien invasion (with help, of course). There are fantasy creatures, incidentally, but if there had not been, it would be Sci-Fi. Even though it happens in present-day time. Nanoseconds make no difference. It has to be a substantial difference to be 'the future'.
Er...that's not what steampunk is. Steampunk is a genre where steam power is widely used and there are lots of shiny, advanced Victorian gadgets that run on steam. It can be a sort of alternate history, and often takes place in Victorian England.
Steampunk is actually a pseudo-Victorian setting with lots of brass, steam engines and Zeppelins. In my opinion, we can call all of the Avbaroy plots Schizotech Fantasy.
The way I see it, this can be solved fairly easily, if people agree with me.
It can be solved pretty easily if people agree with me too.
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Avbaroy has many futuristic weapons, and it has space (ship) whales, and robot aliens. As such, this would give it the label 'Sci-Fi'.
No. This gives it the label "Science Fantasy".
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However, it also has magic, and dragons. I would like to point out, though, that we often give 'physics' to the magic and stuff, thanks to MM. Not that this makes much difference, but all the same. Given that it has advanced weapons, and advanced technology in general, I call it steampunk.
You clearly have no idea what steampunk is. Steampunk is Spec-Fic or Fantasy set in worlds with widely used steam power, and often includes more advanced technology than common in that setting, but powered by steam or similar.
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Anyways, steampunk/spacepunk fantasy seems about right.
Except for the fact that ABR is neither steampunk nor spacepunk.
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