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Old 06-18-2009, 05:51 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default I'm Bored, Give Me A 3.5 PrC To Make [it'sdonenow]

I don't want anything specific, just a random 'idea' or 'theme.'

Like the PrC contests that we have.


I'll probably make it silly, but yeah. Give me an idea! First theme that inspires me gets it.


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Well, some possible themes:
A prc that uses its surroundings and the environment rather than direct confrontation.
Gravity manipulation
Magnets
Teleportation
Being a wall
Fire
Inflicting pain on itself to use its abilities
Kung Fu Hustle
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Silly? Make a paladin PrC that focuses on the "Prince Handsome" aspect. Dragon & Princess deal.

(But seriously. I'm tired of the 'holy warrior' paladins).
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A racial paragon class for your personal favourite non-core race. Or for one of the psionic races, alternatively.

EDIT: Alternatively, a longer (possibly Epic) progression for one of the existing racial paragon classes.

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Make an Arcane swordsman PrC.
It's like Arcane archer, except from the fact that it isn't arcane archer

And yeah, I know I don't make sense...
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Silly? Make a paladin PrC that focuses on the "Prince Handsome" aspect. Dragon & Princess deal.

(But seriously. I'm tired of the 'holy warrior' paladins).
We have a winnar! Results at 11.




(Well I have no idea when, but you know, it'll show up when I'm done.)
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A abjurer/conjurer that specializes in geometry. He adds modrons to his list of available summons, gains the ability to inscribe magic into geometric patterns (such as runes or circles), and becomes capable of enhancing his power through ley lines. Lawful alignment is a must.
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Seems I'm too late, but if you ever need another one; Gambler. Fights with razor shard playing cards and really hard dice.
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What about a a conjurer/evoker caster whose powers are based in a synergy ( and simultaneous usage) of two opposite concepts, like order/chaos, light/shadow and such. I´ve got a class like this in my homebrew d6 systen and I would like to see how it works out in a ,,official" game (3.5, or whatever)

Or a conjureer who summons powerful beings like sprits elementals and the like to negotiate a contratct with them and ask a favor, in return for help, or sothing else, When they argree on the terms of the deal. , the negotiator produces a magic item to confirm the contract, like a paper of a runestone which by both parties. The one of the parteners can the read the contract, or break the stone, to invoke the favors the other party owes them. For example If somebody made a contract with an elemetal, the can get an ,,artilery barrage" of elemental spells or call some temporary minions (which a are free-wiled and have to be presuaded just like a Gated creature.

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or could you do a crafting Prc?

something like a atificer. but as a prc...
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[pssst, this class is kind of overpowered. Oh well, melee can use the help, I guess? Besides that, any opinons?]


Gallant Prince




I'm awfully sorry. I didn't mean to frighten you.
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The Gallant Prince. A man who is noble by blood and has devoted himself to living up to his lineage. His every deed is to protect beauty, to save those who can't - or, perhaps, shouldn't - save themselves. While many decry their actions as antiquated and demeaning towards the women they so selflessly serve and protect, the fairy-tale appeal of their personas ensure they rarely suffer rejection from the fairer sex.


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Not one, but two Kiss powers! You have outdone my expectations!

I'd change some of the crunch (Brave Soul, Lady's Favor, Larger than Life) if I was to actually play one, but it's very well-done overall!
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Oh, and just for fun (I meant to post this):

A feat to make those work on males, too!

Champion of the People
Requirement: Lawful Good Alignment, In Defense of the Maiden
All of your Gallant Prince abilities can be used on anyone, not just females, with the exception of Inspiration of Grace. The Kiss of the Prince and Kiss of the Saviour class abilities can be used by channeling at least one point of Lay On Hands into a target, instead of kissing them.
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For In defense of the Maiden is it the Galiant Prince, or the female who has to be fighting defensively or taking full defense.
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For In defense of the Maiden is it the Galiant Prince, or the female who has to be fighting defensively or taking full defense.
The Gallant Prince. I edited that to be a bit clearer.
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Lady's Favour seems odd, nothing is given about the "Lady's Favour" (cost, weight) and by RAW nothing stops you from enchanting one. It also seems really round about to keep him from full BAB till level 6, then give it to him at level 6 with limitations on bracer slot items.

I think a swashbuckler entry could be intresting (particularly with the "dead level" filler "seduce to learn secrets").
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Lady's Favour seems odd, nothing is given about the "Lady's Favour" (cost, weight) and by RAW nothing stops you from enchanting one. It also seems really round about to keep him from full BAB till level 6, then give it to him at level 6 with limitations on bracer slot items.
Yeah, I was kind of blanking on ideas, but definitely wanted the Lady's Favour going in. Look into them a bit, just a bit of cloth that knights and squires and knight-errants and etc. tied around their wrist to remind them what they were fighting for. Usually performed, I believe.

That ability was the first one that came to mind. Originally bard levels were going to be in there, too, until I remembered the whole lawful / not-lawful dynamic and scrapped that, so BABing was a bigger deal.

My major concern is actually how it affects +LA creatures. Cough.

If I get a better idea for what to put there (unlikely tonight, it's 11 am and I have yet to go to bed. Possible 'today' though) I will probably change it without hesitation.

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That's not very Gallant!
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Can Gallant Princes freely multi-class between Gallant Prince and Paladin (and Knight if they have the same restriction?)
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Can Gallant Princes freely multi-class between Gallant Prince and Paladin (and Knight if they have the same restriction?)
... Yes? I thought paladins and monks didn't need to ask for permission for prestige classes. If not, well. Yes.


And it's a stupid rule anyways.
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They didn't? Oh well, that's what I get for only having the d20 SRD for reference.

And it is stupid.
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Shouldn't it be "allies" who have to be retreating to trigger the AC bonus of "Larger than Life"?
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Great PrC. Just what one of my players was wanting to play. I'll show this to them to see if they're interested.
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I like it! It really captures the feel of Prince Charming of yore.

Though, there are a couple of things a bit off. The ability score requirement isn't generally a good way of restricting the class - says so in the DMG. If you want only high Charisma people to enter the class, make a suitable feat with a prereq of Cha 15 or something, and make that feat the prerequisite. Might be a bit cleaner.

Second, Kiss of the Saviour brings back even disintegrated females, and doesn't specify what exactly happens in that full round action. The way it's written it seems the guy can just spend a full round action each day, anywhere, even places where there are no women, to bring one back to life. Also, True Rez is a bit excessive. x3 You really want to kiss those ashes, that rotting undead corpse, or nothing at all? I'd make it revify with a caster level equal to his character level, and usable once per day. It seems to fit with the "lifegiving kiss" thing more than raising dead women from the grave. The Charisma 13 thing is a bit off, too. What if she was charisma drained before she was killed?

"No way, man. I'm not raising her. She's ugly now. Just look at her. What a dog."

Charming.

Charisma measures force of personality, not beauty. You can have a Charisma 3 person who's beautiful, just shy or annoying.

Finally, why only males taking this class to protect women? Surely you can have Gallant Princesses saving damsels (male) in distress.

("Gather round, ladies. My aura will protect you, if you know what I mean. ;)")

IN terms of mechanical power, it's middling around Paladin power, it's got some good abilities but they're pretty narrow. He has some passive abilities to protect his wards, and some to heal them, but has very little in terms of generally dealing with the monsters he's inevitably going to face, which I guess is a problem with the Paladin in general.

Any love for Crusader entry? :3
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I just want to say that I like this class a lot but I see some problems with it.


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Inspiration of Grace (Su): At third level, a Gallant Prince brings out the 'best' in women by his dazzling personality. When a female is within 10' of the Gallant Prince, she gains a +4 untyped bonus to any charisma or dexterity based skills, and a +2 untyped bonus to reflex saves.
Giving out untyped bonuses is a cheesy way around the stacking rules. [I think it should be a straight +4 comipetence bonus to Charisma-based skills and a +2 enhancement bonus to Reflex saves but that's just my opinion].

Can the Gallant Prince voluntarily supress and resume this ability at will? If not, then any female opponent gains an advantage (including that succubus he's fighting). You may want to reconsider this so that it only affects female Humanoids or members of the same race as the Gallant Knight or only female allies.

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As a fan of inter-species romance (EDIT: Because people have dirty minds, I have to clarify: "The Little Mermaid" or maybe the marriages that result in half-dragons) I have to favor "Allies" over "Humanoids". I mean Malifecent from the Disney version of "Sleeping Beauty" was female, and that didn't stop her from getting a sword through the heart....

Also, I didn't notice until someone pointed it out to me, but I never would have figured this for a full BAB class...
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Except that at first level BAB is +0 not +1. It has ALL good saves too.

This is suppose to emulate the Fairytale Prince and it does so rather nicely even if it is a tad overpowered when compared to other classes. On the other hand, that's the point. It should be a tad overpowered.

This actually works with my Fairy Godmother prestige class [here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...postcount=1nd] my version of view of Maleficient [here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=6] are supposed to be larger than life and even larger than the typical PC Class. However, qualifying for the class should be difficult.

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P.S. I prefer the text of Inspiration of Grace to read "female allies" although I still think it should be suppressable and resumable at will.
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Unfortunately not. I've got absolutely no idea how to make that work without adding a ton of extra work for myself. And I am not really motivated to do that work, you know?
It's pretty easy from what I see...just add the following ability at 4th level:

Improved Martial Maneuvers: Your Gallant Prince levels do not count normally towards your Initiator level. Instead, add a number of effective Initiator levels to your total equal to the amount of Base Attack Bonus you have gained from the Gallant Prince prestige class (For example, a Crusader 8/Gallant Prince 4 has an Initiator level of 11 rather than 10. A Crusader 8/Gallant Prince 10 has an Initiator level of 15 rather than 13.). These Initiator levels do grant you additional maneuvers known or maneuvers readied. You may not use Gallant Prince levels to trade in maneuvers.


This means that a Gallant Prince Crusader can still, once he goes back to being a Crusader, be quite effective (basically, he'll have access to one more level of maneuvers than he would otherwise). He won't, however, progress much in his maneuver power until he is finished with the Gallant Prince class.
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It's pretty easy from what I see...just add the following ability at 4th level:

Improved Martial Maneuvers: Your Gallant Prince levels do not count normally towards your Initiator level. Instead, add a number of effective Initiator levels to your total equal to the amount of Base Attack Bonus you have gained from the Gallant Prince prestige class (For example, a Crusader 8/Gallant Prince 4 has an Initiator level of 11 rather than 10. A Crusader 8/Gallant Prince 10 has an Initiator level of 15 rather than 13.). These Initiator levels do grant you additional maneuvers known or maneuvers readied. You may not use Gallant Prince levels to trade in maneuvers.


This means that a Gallant Prince Crusader can still, once he goes back to being a Crusader, be quite effective (basically, he'll have access to one more level of maneuvers than he would otherwise). He won't, however, progress much in his maneuver power until he is finished with the Gallant Prince class.
Well, dang. Thanks Djinn. Mind if I ninja that ability?
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I'm really glad you liked my suggestions for Inspiration of Grace as I think it is better defined. Allowing the ability to be suppressible and resumable at will is never a bad idea. This way, the gallant prince doesn't have to reward an ally that he doesn't really trust even if she isn't unfriendly or hostile. It gives the player more control over his or her PC.

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Brave Soul (Ex): At second level, the Gallant Prince gains an untyped bonus to will saves to resist any fear effects equal to his Gallant Prince level. If he is immune to fear, the prince instead can grant himself temporary hit points equal to his class level as an immediate action that last for one round once per day.
The untyped bonus should probably be a morale bonus.

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