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Old 09-02-2009, 02:01 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default [3.X] Person Man's Guide to Shields

Everyone knows about Batman, CoDzilla, Ubercharger, and TWF. Sword and board is the much overlooked stepchild of D&D, and shields in general are generally an afterthought on the equipment list. The primary reason for this is the Animated shield enhancement, which you can afford starting around ECL 6-7. So before then, sword and board is a solid option for anyone who values defense over offense. After that point, anyone who invested in shield related feats tends to look like a chump next to the guy with Leap Attack, Knock-Down, Scorpion’s Grasp, Knockback, etc. So this is a guide to all to all things related to shields in D&D.

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I'll certainly be watching this, shields don't get enough love.

Unfortunately, I'm not very well versed in... anything really, so not sure how much I can contribute. If I think of anything though, I'll be sure to tell you.


Also, your name seems awfully familiar, is it from anything? Particularly "Particle Man" by They Might Be Giants?
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Spell suggestion (the most obvious one of all, perhaps): Magic vestment. Particularly handy at high levels, when a pearl of power gifted to your party spellcaster can buy you a +3 to +5 enhancement that lasts practically all day and doesn't stack with the costs of other shinier enchantments for just 9000 gp.
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There's only like two maneuver with shields in the ToB. You can grant your ally your shield bonus + 4 (or maybe a bit lower I forgot) as an immediate action against one attack. Or you can shield bash someone as an immediate action. If you hit, you cancel out that enemy's attack.
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Shield Block and Shield Counter are the 2 Devoted Spirit manevuers that deal with shields. Page 60 in Tome of Battle. One is Crusader 2 (ECL3) and the other is Crusader 7 (ECL13). Both are Immediate Actions. Shield block allows you to give an adacent ally a bonus to AC equal to 4 + your shields AC (that a lot of AC!), and Shield Counter allows you to make an offhand attack (-2) with your shield (immediate!) and if you hit, your opponents next hit AUTOMATICALLY MISSES!!!! Must be done before you know if the attack hits or not though.
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Shield Block and Shield Counter are the 2 Devoted Spirit manevuers that deal with shields.
While those are two maneuvers that deal specifically with shields, it should be noted that any of the Tiger Claw discipline maneuvers that emulate or improve TWF can also be used with a shield as your secondary weapon.
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The negating enhancement in the ELH is a +5 enhancement, so its available pre-epic. Whenever you are hit by a weapon, the armor or shield automatically casts greater dispel magic on the weapon.
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I dunno, Girallon Windmill Fleshrip just doesn't seem so "flesh rippy" with a bludgeoning shield. Are there any type Slashing Shield Spikes?
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Can you keep your shield bonus if you use your shield in a Strike?
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Can you keep your shield bonus if you use your shield in a Strike?
I would assume you'd need Improved Shield Bash, as that's essentially what using it in a strike would be emulating.
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I dunno, Girallon Windmill Fleshrip just doesn't seem so "flesh rippy" with a bludgeoning shield. Are there any type Slashing Shield Spikes?
I think I saw a slashing equivalent to shield spikes in one of the Faerun books. Anyone?

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I dunno, Girallon Windmill Fleshrip just doesn't seem so "flesh rippy" with a bludgeoning shield. Are there any type Slashing Shield Spikes?
Regular ol' spikes make the damage piercing. I think that works fine with fleshripping.
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I dunno, Girallon Windmill Fleshrip just doesn't seem so "flesh rippy" with a bludgeoning shield. Are there any type Slashing Shield Spikes?
Razored shield, an option from the FR Underdark sourcebook.

This is also nice if you go for Weapon Mastery (Slashing) from PHB II, although that would mean 3 more feats ... which don't grow on trees.

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Regular ol' spikes make the damage piercing. I think that works fine with fleshripping.
Only really if you add barbs to the spikes.
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Buckler: The poor man’s Animated shield. Basically you can accept a small penalty to hit, pick up the Shield Bash feat, and get all the benefits of a shield and it’s magical protections without the hassle of giving up two-handed fighting. PHB.
I believe you mean Improved Buckler Defense, as you can't Shield Bash with a buckler.

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Mithral: If you're concerned about your Armor Check penalty, this will lower it. It's also worth mentioning that a Mithral Buckler has 0 Armor Check penalty. So there's no penalty for non-proficiency. Thus, almost every build I've made that isn't proficient with shields has an enchanted mithral buckler. This trick is particularly useful for Skill monkeys.
Why mithral buckler? It makes no sense and it's unnecessarily expensive, as you can achieve the same just by masterworking the buckler. If 5 pounds is too much, make it a darkwood buckler, which is cheaper than mithral and still cuts the weight in half. The only reason to mithral a buckler is if you want to negate the ASF, which isn't that important to shield wielders in general except for the occasional arcane gish.

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Active Shield Defense feat: When fighting defensively with a shield, you don't take the attack penalties on your AoO. Also, you still threaten when on Total Defense, which is useful when combined with Spinning Defense (Dungeon Compendium) which allows you to use Deflect Arrows to deflect any number of ranged attacks when wielding a polearm and using the Total Defense action. Essentially, you sacrifice your normal attack routine (depending on AoO) to gain a bonus to AC and be immune to ranged attacks. PHBII.
Again, how exactly are you wielding a 2-handed polearm to get off Spinning Defense with a shield, unless you do it with an animated shield or buckler?

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Agile Shield Fighter: This one feat essentially replaces 3 TWF feats when your are fighting with a shield and unarmed strike.
It replaces 4 feats, as it essentially also acts like Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting for Shields, as most shield fighters taking this feat will probably be using a heavy shield, which counts as one-handed weapon for two-weapon fighting purposes.

Another dirty shield trick is to build your shield as both a magic weapon and shield, and on the weapon side to make it a +X defending weapon. Strictly speaking, that bonus AC from defending won't be strictly shield bonuses for the purpose of Shield Ward and Parrying Shield but that's still more AC.

For purpose of Defending and Empyreal, I'm not sure whether using Greater Magic Weapon or Magic Vestment would count for the purposes of transferring the enhancement bonus to AC or Attack to Saves or AC, respectively.

Otherwise, your guide is off to a nice start. Keep it up!
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Thanks for all the additional info everyone. I've done my best to update the guide with everything people have posted. And I'll put some additional work into it tomorrow and again next week until everyone is satisfied with it.
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Can one make a buckler out of darkwood I thought bucklers were metal and darkwood only worked for things that are made of wood.
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Can one make a buckler out of darkwood I thought bucklers were metal and darkwood only worked for things that are made of wood.
I linked to a darkwood buckler in my previous post, so yes.

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[*]You can use a shield as a two-handed weapon. While it’s less optimal then pretty much any other weapon due to it’s low damage, lack of reach, lack of special abilities, and requirement for Shield Bash, it can be done.
No, you can't.
Shields are offhand weapons. So 1/2 damage bonus from Str. No, buts about it.

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I linked to a darkwood buckler in my previous post, so yes.
Eh well I did assume that the link was to the darkwood material but having not done any checking of my facts it is not unexpected that could be wrong.

Though the darkwood buckler is strangely enough actually a nonmagical light wooden shield and not a buckler.
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No, you can't.
Shields are offhand weapons. So 1/2 damage bonus from Str. No, buts about it.
What's preventing you from not making a shield bash attack, but using it as a primary weapon? Just sayin'.
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Eh well I did assume that the link was to the darkwood material but having not done any checking of my facts it is not unexpected that could be wrong.

Though the darkwood buckler is strangely enough actually a nonmagical light wooden shield and not a buckler.
Huh, you're right. Weird...
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Wait, so using a shield as an improvised weapon 2 handed? Nothing, but the -4 penalty to hit I guess.
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Great guide! Shields are really cool, and I love that they're getting some love

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Take the feats "Exotic Weapon Profecioncy (Gold Shield Spikes)" and Monkey Grip.

Get a +X Bashing Shield (of 1 size higher than you) with +Y Gold Shield Spikes.

Your shield will do damage as a weapon 4 sizes higher than you.

Not the best, but it can help.
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Great guide! Shields are really cool, and I love that they're getting some love

My contribution:

The Guy with the Really Big Shield

Take the feats "Exotic Weapon Profecioncy (Gold Shield Spikes)" and Monkey Grip.

Get a +X Bashing Shield (of 1 size higher than you) with +Y Gold Shield Spikes.

Your shield will do damage as a weapon 4 sizes higher than you.

Not the best, but it can help.
I think you'd just call them Heavy Shield Spikes but other than that, Kudos on wielding a door!
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Great guide! Shields are really cool, and I love that they're getting some love

My contribution:

The Guy with the Really Big Shield

Take the feats "Exotic Weapon Profecioncy (Gold Shield Spikes)" and Monkey Grip.

Get a +X Bashing Shield (of 1 size higher than you) with +Y Gold Shield Spikes.

Your shield will do damage as a weapon 4 sizes higher than you.

Not the best, but it can help.
Put a Wand Chamber (300gp, Dungeonscape) in the shield. Fill the chamber with a wand of enlarge weapon (Sor/Wiz 1, CScn, min/level weapon is increased one size category).
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Oh right, forgot about that.

Can someone tell me how to figure out increasing damage as size goes up? I might do a full out build for this one.
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Oh right, forgot about that.

Can someone tell me how to figure out increasing damage as size goes up? I might do a full out build for this one.
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Yeah, but what about above 3d8? Does it then become 6d6? Which goes to 6d8? That seems what RAW would be...
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