ABR Discussion Thread XXIX: Where we talk about bears....
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Hey guys, I was thinking of doing a brief webcomic using the various ABR characters. Essentially, it'd be a retelling of Macbeth The Scottish Play , so the kids in my english class have something besides spark notes to use.
A brief list of cast members so far
Macduff- Almighty Salmon
Lady Macduff & Son- Miscellaneous flying landfish Macbeth The King- Dunno about this one.
Lady Macbeth- Threeshades
Duncan- Lyinginbedmon
The Witches- Kpenguin, SinisterPenguin, and Myself, since the three of us look enough alike.
The Porter- Q, because they have similar personalities.
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Originally Posted by Squark
Hey guys, I was thinking of doing a brief webcomic using the various ABR characters. Essentially, it'd be a retelling of Macbeth The Scottish Play , so the kids in my english class have something besides spark notes to use.
A brief list of cast members so far
Macduff- Almighty Salmon
Lady Macduff & Son- Miscellaneous flying landfish Macbeth The King- Dunno about this one.
Lady Macbeth- Threeshades
Duncan- Lyinginbedmon
The Witches- Kpenguin, SinisterPenguin, and Myself, since the three of us look enough alike.
The Porter- Q, because they have similar personalities.
Any thoughts?
I would have comments... But my school fortunately only forced me to read Hamlet so I got no idea what Macbeth's about
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Originally Posted by Nameless
Reading Shakespeare is fun. Studying Shakespeare, or any other book or play is not. I like to read a book with out having to write an essay after.
While I certainly agree with the "study" part and find it utterly stupid that the teacher has to teach us about books they claim to be classics that everybody knows about and thus will talk about, I'm not so sure about the "fun" part; Hamlet is very political, written for the high class and ends with everybody dying without accomplishing anything, I can't sympathise with any of the characters and thus don't find it interesting...
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While I certainly agree with the "study" part and find it utterly stupid that the teacher has to teach us about books they claim to be classics that everybody knows about and thus will talk about, I'm not so sure about the "fun" part; Hamlet is very political, written for the high class and ends with everybody dying without accomplishing anything, I can't sympathise with any of the characters and thus don't find it interesting...
Why do you find it fun?
There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! )with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it.
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS!
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Oh, Shakespeare found ways to put in humor here and there if you know where* to look... although a lot of it is lost on modern readers.
*I am using the right form of where, right? It's been bugging my for ages, even though I'm a native English Speaker (From the Geeky state of Wisconsin, Birthplace of both D&D and, if I've heard correctly, Magic: The Gathering. It's probably the winters).
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A lot of shakespeare's humor is actually really raunchy. Read "The Taming of the Shrew".
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Petruchio: Come, come, you wasp, i’faith you are too angry.
Katherine: If I be waspish, best beware my sting.
Petruchio: My remedy is then to pluck it out.
Katherine: Ay, if the fool could find where it lies.
Petruchio: Who knows not where a wasp does wear his sting? In his tail.
Katherine: In his tongue.
Petruchio: Whose tongue?
Katherine: Yours, if you talk of tales, and so farewell.
Petruchio: What, with my tongue in your tail?
Do the math.
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There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! )with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it.
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS!
Not really, I can sympathise (Well, my teacher kinda told us we needed to choose between British and American and you see... Sorry) with much crazier people. It's just that they all are high class and the plot is pretty political and I'm neither, The Lion King was a better story even though it's the same one since I understood their motivation and what the heck was going on.
Oh and there's not a thing that's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, it is and has since the 11th century been A KINGDOM
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Originally Posted by Squark
*I am using the right form of where, right? It's been bugging my for ages, even though I'm a native English Speaker (From the Geeky state of Wisconsin, Birthplace of both D&D and, if I've heard correctly, Magic: The Gathering. It's probably the winters).
Yes you are, "where" is referring to place and "were" refers to having been. "where" is one of the question words and they all start with "wh" as in what and when, that's the way I remember it at least.
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Man I don't know about everyone else but I kinda wrote myself into a corner.
I just don't know what I'm supposed to do, my characters a professional mercenary and they don't chit-chat when on a mission (unless there's booze involved )
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Originally Posted by Keveak
Not really, I can sympathise (Well, my teacher kinda told us we needed to choose between British and American and you see... Sorry) with much crazier people. It's just that they all are high class and the plot is pretty political and I'm neither, The Lion King was a better story even though it's the same one since I understood their motivation and what the heck was going on.
Oh and there's not a thing that's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, it is and has since the 11th century been A KINGDOM
Yes you are, "where" is referring to place and "were" refers to having been. "where" is one of the question words and they all start with "wh" as in what and when, that's the way I remember it at least.
Funny you compare it to the Lion King, since the Lion King uses a lot of elements from one of Shakepspeare's plays (even some of the names).
The Lion King sucks, though. King Lear and the Tempest are way better.
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Originally Posted by The Gremlin
There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! )with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it.
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS!
Abridgments? Really, you've read "Abridgments". I fear for our youth. Hamlet is a very great play, and yes, he's a little bit crazy, but that dosn't mean his motivations are too outlandish to be understandable.
If this be madness, there be a method to it.
But seriously, see the plays (Done well), read the actual texts, not Abridgments. Then you can talk about Shakespeare.
However, Garfield does, indeed, suck. Well, kind of. Individually, it's comics are mediocre, a nice bit of simple humor for the funny pages, nothing special, but good for the occasional chuckle over breakfast. It sucks when taken as a whole, at which point you realize it's formula is totally unchanging, that the comic could easily have been produced by a machine.
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Abridgments? Really, you've read "Abridgments". I fear for our youth. Hamlet is a very great play, and yes, he's a little bit crazy, but that dosn't mean his motivations are too outlandish to be understandable.
If this be madness, there be a method to it.
But seriously, see the plays (Done well), read the actual texts, not Abridgments. Then you can talk about Shakespeare.
However, Garfield does, indeed, suck. Well, kind of. Individually, it's comics are mediocre, a nice bit of simple humor for the funny pages, nothing special, but good for the occasional chuckle over breakfast. It sucks when taken as a whole, at which point you realize it's formula is totally unchanging, that the comic could easily have been produced by a machine.
Not to mention that Jim Davis once admitted that he does Garfield solely for commercial purposes.
You misunderstood me, though. I was saying that BECAUSE I've only read abridgments, I'm not reliable. I am fully aware of how much they can suck.
I also know Hamlet has a method to his madness. I'm saying it's hard to sympathize with some of the things he does. If I'd killed someone by accident, I wouldn't keep up the crazy act.
Hamlet is, by definition, a tragedy. It's only fair that everybody should go a bit crazy.
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Not to mention that Jim Davis once admitted that he does Garfield solely for commercial purposes.
You misunderstood me, though. I was saying that BECAUSE I've only read abridgments, I'm not reliable. I am fully aware of how much they can suck.
Very well.
Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.
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Funny you compare it to the Lion King, since the Lion King uses a lot of elements from one of Shakepspeare's plays (even some of the names).
The Lion King sucks, though. King Lear and the Tempest are way better.
It uses elements of and is based of one of them, I presumed it was Hamlet and thus found it appropiate... I even mentioned them being the same story.
I by the way like that movie, it was my favourite movie as a child and I still think it's a good movie
@BRC: I read the Danish translation - Fortunately I don't need to know anything about the original as that's not the point of our English classes - which is a lot closer than abridgements and I still don't like it. I believe that qualifies me to say it weren't interesting to me, granted not many realistic stories are.
But I know nothing of anything else by Shakespeare, what's Macbeth about for example?
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It uses elements of and is based of one of them, I presumed it was Hamlet and thus found it appropiate... I even mentioned them being the same story.
I by the way like that movie, it was my favourite movie as a child and I still think it's a good movie
@BRC: I read the Danish translation - Fortunately I don't need to know anything about the original as that's not the point of our English classes - which is a lot closer than abridgements and I still don't like it. I believe that qualifies me to say it weren't interesting to me, granted not many realistic stories are.
But I know nothing of anything else by Shakespeare, what's Macbeth about for example?
Reading the Translation would explain the problem. Shakespeare is great, not because of the Plots, but because of the writing (which is why it should really be seen, or at least heard). I could tell you the plot of Macbeth, but that wouldn't tell you a thing about why it's considered so great.
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Very well.
Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.
Like that Jane Goodall one...although that one had a happy ending.
The trouble is, now all the single panel comic strips are ripping off the Far Side. Except Bizarro. Bizarro rips it off, too, but it rips it off well, it uses its own jokes, and it has a better art style.
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Very well.
Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.
Davies doesn't even draw his comics any more. He has a company of artists to illustrate for him.
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, so the kids in my english class have something besides spark notes to use.
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