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Old 03-19-2010, 04:04 PM   Top  -  End  -  #331
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The Columbian Confederation


Left to right: the Confederal Flag and the Space Colony Unity

Millennia ago, a nuclear holocaust between the two superpowers of Earth nearly extinguished the human race if not for the fact that had been averted at the last minute. Realising how swiftly the extinction of humanity could have occurred, both sides agreed that something had to be done to prevent any future cataclysm. They combined their scientific knowledge, and using state-of-the-art technology, built twelve gigantic space colonies capable of interstellar travel, crewed by the best of the species, and sent them to spread the human race across the stars. And so was born Project Columbus.

Flash forward thousands of years later. The mission performed far better than the initial previsions. It was so well executed that the scope of Project Columbus expanded well beyond its original purpose, and essentially became a nomadic civilisation leaving the print of human presence on every terraformable world it could find – the Columbian Confederation.

The Columbian Confederation includes mainly the original twelve and the more recently constructed non-sedentary space colonies, along with their attached spacecrafts. While the worlds they settled are technically part of the alliance, they are generally left to fend for themselves and are largely ignored.
Damn. That isn't actually a bad idea, but kinds of conflicts with my idea and sounds like would limit the use of humans for others.

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Sorry, I phrased that somewhat ambiguously. I meant to ask how "hard" the science is in this setting. Will we have a foundation in real science, or is it all just fanciful nonsense? How "realistic" will the setting be?
I think as realistic as we can without interfering with the fun of this project.
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Damn. That isn't actually a bad idea, but kinds of conflicts with my idea and sounds like would limit the use of humans for others.
It doesn't have to, they can co-exist with Earth. After all, it's been almost a thousand years, and I doubt that Earth would just have sent them and then stayed in its hole until the end of time. "Reuniting" with their former brethren would make for interesting encounters.
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just a question, but do we have to draw anything related to the idea? I cant draw to save my life but I have an interesting idea for this.
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just a question, but do we have to draw anything related to the idea? I cant draw to save my life but I have an interesting idea for this.
You don't have to. I'm sure many of us would be glad to draw any good idea you have
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This certainly sounds like an interesting idea. I'd love to participate.

But before we go further (and I apologize if this has been brought up already, I sorta skimmed the last page)...what sort of FTL travel are we using for this 'verse? Wormholes? "Gates"? Alcubierre drives/warp drives? Teleporting? Something else entirely?

This is, of course, assuming that we are using FTL travel at all. Slower-than-light is a possibility as well, though FTL would of course make things a great deal more convenient.
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I'm working on art just for gits and shiggles but I can't for the life of me do my idea in semi-oots style as all the other stuff has been, so I doubt the art styles will mesh that well.

First though, I have text:

Araphinis Mons (Elfishness) is a disease that causes the carrier's body to change in appearance, to resemble that of a mythological elf. The disease can be passed on to the carrier's offspring, who have much more pronounced symptoms, and some that first generation do not suffer from.

Symptoms begin to appear around two weeks after infection and after this point there is no currently available cure for the disease. The carrier's jaw becomes thinner, and more pronounced along with the cheekbones, his ears become slightly elongated and pointed, and his eyes widen. These symptoms have more effect the younger the infected, as they are still growing and prone to change, with some middle aged adults barely recognisable as first generation elves. Some first generation elves who contracted Araphinis Mons when very young also have slightly canine teeth. The infection also leaves carriers sterile in 90% of cases.

Second generation elves are, as far as scientific knowledge extends, only produced when a first generation elf who has not been left sterile has a child. They have even more pronounced cheekbones and thinner jaws. Their ears are also more pointed and their eyes wider than those of a first generation elf, with around half of all observed being heterochromatic. They also have small fangs or tusks that protrude from their lower jaw and their noses have been reduced to a pair of slits. All second generation elves observed so far have been bald, though whether this is natural or they shave body hair for cultural reasons is unknown. Second generation elves are genderless and completely devoid of visible sexual organs. It is unknown how they reproduce, if at all.

Elves do not have large communities, with first generation tending to live with humans. There are some small second generation communities, but often they become electrical engineers, or if they are not clever enough, bodyguards, as they tend to be not only more intimidating, but stronger and more agile than humans. It appears that second generation look down on the first generation, especially those who deliberately got themselves infected; second generation refer to the first as "antiphim" and to themselves as "probim".

It has been noted that second generation elves outnumber first generation by a long margin, and is therefore theorised that the second generation are capable of production. Some even think that the roughly half-and-half split of homochromia and heterochromia is the elvish equivalent of gender. Other theories are quite common, with a prevailing one being that elvish proficiency with electronics comes from a different sense, possibly one that can sense energy or its flow. Some theories, however, are blatantly false, like the theory that the Caz are considered an elvish delicacy.
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Some theories, however, are blatantly false, like the theory that the Caz are considered an elvish delicacy.
Especially when you consider the fact that most other people will get pissed when you eat their cook or the guy who gets you the cool sci-fi stuff

The former would be kind of ironic too.
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Especially when you consider the fact that most other people will get pissed when you eat their cook or the guy who gets you the cool sci-fi stuff

The former would be kind of ironic too.
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OR ARE THEY?

(blatantly false that is)
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OR ARE THEY?

(blatantly false that is)
Well, the Caz would definitely be a delicacy if they were tasty to elves, They only exist in large quantities on one planet.

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alright my idea introduces my own race and the system they live in.
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This certainly sounds like an interesting idea. I'd love to participate.

But before we go further (and I apologize if this has been brought up already, I sorta skimmed the last page)...what sort of FTL travel are we using for this 'verse? Wormholes? "Gates"? Alcubierre drives/warp drives? Teleporting? Something else entirely?

This is, of course, assuming that we are using FTL travel at all. Slower-than-light is a possibility as well, though FTL would of course make things a great deal more convenient.
It is a great question but it shouldn't be asked right now.
As you can see on my original post on the idea I would like to this in a series of steps, being "tech" the step number 5. As I agree with a FTL system of travel I don't think this is the time to discuss that.

You guys sure write a lot

I'll finish up my faction idea and I'll read what you've posted
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Methos am I missing anything? I have a nagging feeling I am
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It is a great question but it shouldn't be asked right now.
As you can see on my original post on the idea I would like to this in a series of steps, being "tech" the step number 5. As I agree with a FTL system of travel I don't think this is the time to discuss that.
Are you sure? I mean, I can understand leaving most tech for the last step, but the system of FTL travel used could have an enormous impact on the entire dynamic of the world; the most obvious being if fast interstellar space travel is limited to certain systems by a network of gates or somesuch. As I understand it so far this is somewhat of a space opera-ish setting so deciding on a system of intestellar travel is doubly important.

Just my opinion, is all. It just seems like something we might want to get out of the way now.
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Methos am I missing anything? I have a nagging feeling I am
I'm... not sure what you are talking about.

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Are you sure? I mean, I can understand leaving most tech for the last step, but the system of FTL travel used could have an enormous impact on the entire dynamic of the world; the most obvious being if fast interstellar space travel is limited to certain systems by a network of gates or somesuch. As I understand it so far this is somewhat of a space opera-ish setting so deciding on a system of intestellar travel is doubly important.

Just my opinion, is all. It just seems like something we might want to get out of the way now.
I understand your point of view and a admit that FTL travel is a critical point, but isn't really getting in the way right now. At this point we just want basic ideas for civilizations, we are not even at the point where we decide exactly how deep in the space are we going to get (if we are sticking to galaxy, universe or even just one system).

If the decision of a certain "tech" starts to get in the way of any of the creation process we can easily stop for a moment and say "ok, lets just decide this", but that isn't the situation right now. And if we decide to change things when we come up with the FTL form of travel we can. It's all universe, we can always go back and change things to fit new and approved ideas.

For now lets just stick with the civilizations/factions/stuff... During the universe/sector/system/galaxy creation (the next step) we figure out our FTL thing.
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Well, flam it. I was working on a race, when the coopered Inkscape closes down. AND I forgot to save. Now I'm going to have to start all over again.
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I'm... not sure what you are talking about.

I mean my entry. It seems a bit off. maybe I am just a worry-wort. or a negative nancy. how I long to be a regular nancy.
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I'm working on art just for gits and shiggles but I can't for the life of me do my idea in semi-oots style as all the other stuff has been, so I doubt the art styles will mesh that well.

First though, I have text:

Araphinis Mons (Elfishness) is a disease that causes the carrier's body to change in appearance, to resemble that of a mythological elf. The disease can be passed on to the carrier's offspring, who have much more pronounced symptoms, and some that first generation do not suffer from.

Symptoms begin to appear around two weeks after infection and after this point there is no currently available cure for the disease. The carrier's jaw becomes thinner, and more pronounced along with the cheekbones, his ears become slightly elongated and pointed, and his eyes widen. These symptoms have more effect the younger the infected, as they are still growing and prone to change, with some middle aged adults barely recognisable as first generation elves. Some first generation elves who contracted Araphinis Mons when very young also have slightly canine teeth. The infection also leaves carriers sterile in 90% of cases.

Second generation elves are, as far as scientific knowledge extends, only produced when a first generation elf who has not been left sterile has a child. They have even more pronounced cheekbones and thinner jaws. Their ears are also more pointed and their eyes wider than those of a first generation elf, with around half of all observed being heterochromatic. They also have small fangs or tusks that protrude from their lower jaw and their noses have been reduced to a pair of slits. All second generation elves observed so far have been bald, though whether this is natural or they shave body hair for cultural reasons is unknown. Second generation elves are genderless and completely devoid of visible sexual organs. It is unknown how they reproduce, if at all.

Elves do not have large communities, with first generation tending to live with humans. There are some small second generation communities, but often they become electrical engineers, or if they are not clever enough, bodyguards, as they tend to be not only more intimidating, but stronger and more agile than humans. It appears that second generation look down on the first generation, especially those who deliberately got themselves infected; second generation refer to the first as "antiphim" and to themselves as "probim".

It has been noted that second generation elves outnumber first generation by a long margin, and is therefore theorised that the second generation are capable of production. Some even think that the roughly half-and-half split of homochromia and heterochromia is the elvish equivalent of gender. Other theories are quite common, with a prevailing one being that elvish proficiency with electronics comes from a different sense, possibly one that can sense energy or its flow. Some theories, however, are blatantly false, like the theory that the Caz are considered an elvish delicacy.
I was really enjoying the idea until you start talking about the second generation elves. Make them a "mysterious" and "recluse" culture sounds kind of silly... Since the first second generation elves were sons/daughters of humans, or at least grandsons/granddaughters... You make it sound like humans are completely useless stupid junk that can't even figure out if their grandchildren can reproduce so, in an adolescent rage of "nobody loves me" all these sick grandchildren decide to form their own society of sick grandchildren.

It made me imagine the following situation: All the blind people in the world decide that suddenly they are pissed about the people that can see, so they go out and build their own blind society... After a few years people care so little about the blinds that they happens to forget why people get blind/born blind and stop really caring... And them kids around the fire tell creepy stories about how blind people can actually shot lasers from their eyes, and that is why they use sun glasses a lot.

I think that if you lose the "second generation elves have their own culture" this is a great idea. I just don't like that culture you came up with. Sorry

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I dislike this for two reasons:
1 - I think you went too much in the realm of fantasy with the shadow thing.
2 - You just over thought. You went in to much details and you even created characters, weapons and ships. I think that right now we should just stay in the basic. First because a lot is going to be shaped in this universe yet (FTL, locations, level of tech, etc) and second because we still don't know who/what is going to make this first cut after we vote.

Mostly I think you should worry about not enter much in the fantasy realm.

But that may be just me...

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That happened to me! Lucky I turned auto-save on yesterday!

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Appearance: Think a centaur based off of a crab. Four segmented legs grow out of a semicircular carapace. Near the top front of the carapace, there is a human-like torso from which comes four arms and a head with two eye stalks. The entire organism (save the eye stalks, which can retract into the head, and the joints, to allow for movement) is covered in a nigh-impenetrable green-blue exoskeleton. Males are darker with thicker, studded armor on their arms. Females are lighter in color, and their arms are bladed rather than studded. They are amphibious in nature.

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In general, they have a "Proud Warrior Race" vibe to them. "Male" and "female" only matter in terms of reproduction. Their caste system is based solely on how good a fighter you are. Their system reflects this: The head of any given state is called the "Commander," who is subject to assassination at all time. Though "assassination" works differently on this planet; In order to take power, you must challenge the commander to a one-on-one match and kill him (or her).

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About twice the size of earth, with around one and a half times the gravity. The surface is 80% Ocean. Most of the land there is is used for growing food crops. A good portion of the population lives in floating colonies, raising food animals underwater, but the beaches and such are known to have a few settlements as well.

Technology: As far as weapons go, personal blasters are for cowards. Only ships are outfitted with laser technology. They prefer to fight one-on-one with their claws, counting on their tough exoskeletons to protect them.

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I have an idea for a semi-aquatic alien species based off crustaceans. Many Legged, with exoskeletons (color to be determined later), eye stalks, the whole works, though claws are an option. Males are darker with thicker, studded armor on their arms. Females are lighter in color, and their arms are bladed rather than studded. They are amphibious in nature.

Politics:
In general, they have a "Proud Warrior Race" vibe to them. "Male" and "female" only matter in terms of reproduction. Their caste system is based solely on how good a fighter you are. Their system reflects this: The head of any given state is called the "Commander," who is subject to assassination at all time. Though "assassination" works differently on this planet; In order to take power, you must challenge the commander to a one-on-one match and kill him (or her)

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About twice the size of earth, with 4 times the gravity. 80% Ocean. Most of the land there is is used for growing food crops. Cities are mostly underwater, but the beaches and such are known to have a few settlements as well. Food animals are raised underwater.

More later.

Primary exports: Food Crops and Animals, soldiers
Fun fact: On a planet with 4 times the gravity of the earth creatures with exoskeleton that can survive outside of the water would have to be very... very... VERY small. I think that even the ones inside the water would have to be very small.

Other that I kind of like the idea.

Also, I have a new concept:

Voltor

The Voltor are an strange species to the eyes of others. Their strange biology have an exomuscle above and exoskeleton that covers their small, round shape, bodies. The Voltor technology revolves around biotechnology. All of their ships, armors, weapons and vehicles are bio-engineered to connect to their exomuscles in order to, practically, become an extension of their bodies.

Common Voltor:

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Fun fact: On a planet with 4 times the gravity of the earth creatures with exoskeleton that can survive outside of the water would have to be very... very... VERY small. I think that even the ones inside the water would have to be very small.

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Well, Darklord put human-sized creatures on a planet with 2x the size of Earth. That would make the planet 4x as massive (Square Cube Law FTW!) and thus have everything weigh 4 times as much.

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Anyway, I guess you could say that They're more of a "what if Humans evolved from crustaceans" kind of idea. Also, I'm kind of split on whether or not to give them claws. Thoughts?
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Well, Darklord put human-sized creatures on a planet with 2x the size of Earth. That would make the planet 4x as massive (Square Cube Law FTW!) and thus have everything weigh 4 times as much.

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Anyway, I guess you could say that They're more of a "what if Humans evolved from crustaceans" kind of idea. Also, I'm kind of split on whether or not to give them claws. Thoughts?
Not true, size alone don't affect gravity. Density affect gravity.
Why can't you just change the gravity to something like... half of earth's gravity?
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I think that if you lose the "second generation elves have their own culture" this is a great idea. I just don't like that culture you came up with. Sorry
Remind me where I put in "second generation have their own culture" again? I put that they tend to use certain slang words and there are some small communities of them, but I thought the whole thing was that they didn't have a culture... Hmmm, maybe I am a really good writer, it's just I never write what I intend.
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Remind me where I put in "second generation have their own culture" again? I put that they tend to use certain slang words and there are some small communities of them, but I thought the whole thing was that they didn't have a culture... Hmmm, maybe I am a really good writer, it's just I never write what I intend.
They secretly reproduce among themselves without telling everyone about it in small communities but somehow having a larger number than the first generation... There is a secret society going on there. I know it. You know it. And that guy from Da Vinci's code know it.
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They secretly reproduce among themselves without telling everyone about it in small communities but somehow having a larger number than the first generation... There is a secret society going on there. I know it. You know it. And that guy from Da Vinci's code know it.
Or maybe that's a load of rubbish. Eh?
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Fun fact: On a planet with 4 times the gravity of the earth creatures with exoskeleton that can survive outside of the water would have to be very... very... VERY small. I think that even the ones inside the water would have to be very small.

Other that I kind of like the idea.

Also, I have a new concept:

Voltor

The Voltor are an strange species to the eyes of others. Their strange biology have an exomuscle above and exoskeleton that covers their small, round shape, bodies. The Voltor technology revolves around biotechnology. All of their ships, armors, weapons and vehicles are bio-engineered to connect to their exomuscles in order to, practically, become an extension of their bodies.

Common Voltor:

Voltor on a humanoid bio-suit:
Perhaps everything on the planet evolved to be big AND survive the pressure?
They had quite a while to do it.

Now about the Voltor:

They're really, really great. It's a creative idea and it has much potential, it deserves an internet... But I don't have any so you'll have to do with a singing frog

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Another type of idea that haven't crossed my mind. A great idea! Maybe they are somewhat misunderstood by the rest of the universe?
Perhaps. Then again, all the Ablinai is concerned with is its own survival -- and if that comes at the cost of every other life in the universe, then that's fantastic as it will eliminate war.

That, and with every brain in the hive mind focused towards scientific advances... just think how dangerous the other species would consider an enemy capable of using *all* its brainpower for scientific and technological advances.
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Well, Darklord put human-sized creatures on a planet with 2x the size of Earth. That would make the planet 4x as massive (Square Cube Law FTW!) and thus have everything weigh 4 times as much.
No it wouldn't. For one thing, doubling the radius makes the planet 8 times as massive (you know, 2 cubed. Cube law and all that). For another, surface gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the planet's radius. You're only going to have 2g surface gravity on a planet 8 times as massive as Earth, but with twice the radius.
And "size" doesn't play any part in the square-cube law, as it's not a dimension. It can be used to express any single dimension or product of dimensions. For all you know, DLB was meant that the planet's volume was twice Earth's, which puts surface gravity at around 1.6g if we assume Earth-like density. (Obviously this is a flawed assumption, as materials would be compressed and become higher density under the greater gravity. But I'm too lazy to work that out at the moment.)
For a planet with twice the volume of Earth and four times the surface gravity, it would need to be around 2.5 times as dense as Earth.
For one with double the radius and four times the surface gravity, still about twice as dense.

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