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Old 07-31-2010, 11:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #121
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I was just wondering: was going to consider trying to play this game myself, but my keyboard's "Z" key has problems (it's broken, I have to constantly re-attach it when I use it). Do you know of a way to remap the keys in the game? I can't seem to find any info online, and I can't read the config files or any such things because I don't know Japanese xD
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Old 08-01-2010, 12:48 AM   Top  -  End  -  #122
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I was just wondering: was going to consider trying to play this game myself, but my keyboard's "Z" key has problems (it's broken, I have to constantly re-attach it when I use it). Do you know of a way to remap the keys in the game? I can't seem to find any info online, and I can't read the config files or any such things because I don't know Japanese xD
I don't think it's possible to remap your keys in this...Why not buy a new keyboard?
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I actually do use a separate key remapping program when playing most Touhou games. Here's a link:
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:36 AM   Top  -  End  -  #124
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I actually do use a separate key remapping program when playing most Touhou games. Here's a link:
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I've found that an XBOX 360 controller works for Labyrinth (my Z key is half-broken) by default, which is nice. Might have to look into that to reduce the cord hassle though.

Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks for the Let's Play Mirrinus. I haven't read through all of it, although I'm making it a habit to read the chapter for the current floor I'm on. Your videos are pretty funny too, btw, and this coming from a guy whose first experience in playing Touhou is this game. If it wasn't for my sister's interest in the normal bullethell games, I probably would've passed this by. I'm glad I didn't though.

Btw, I saw you and other have a particular hatred for Floor 7. I can definitely agree with you there, but hopefully this map that I made will help alleviate any and all future pain. I took the map from the Japanese wiki and thoroughly labeled each Teleporter which MS Office. Let me know what you think of the results, and feel free to post it modified or in its original form on the english wiki or anywhere else. Hopefully no one else will experience our pain.

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If you want the original file for whatever reason, let me know.

PS. Congratulations on bringing me out of my typical lurking btw

EDIT: I'm on the optional fight with Yuugi and the F7 Boss, btw. Ofc, I'm massively overleveled now from the maze exploration, although I'm sure that won't last long, knowing the curve leveling usually goes on in these sort of games. Also, my drop luck has been horrible on this floor. I must go sacrifice to gain the favor of the almighty RNG. Also also, went ahead and posted it on the wiki, once I figured out how to edit the darn thing.

EDIT 2: Holy god. I just barely scraped by in an intense battle vs. Suwako. So much health to go through, and my levels were severely under yours (and one character was useless, oops on MYS resistance Marisa):

Reimu (35)
Marisa (33)
Chen (38)
Meiling (35)
Patchouli (31)
Alice (33)
Minoriko (34)
Youmu (33)
Yuugi (32)
Iku (32)
Aya (33)
Komachi (31)

I had a mana-depleted Reimu in reserve, and Chen/Patchy/Iku/Meiling (I think) out, with Patchy out of sp. MVPs were Meiling/Iku (Meiling could full heal to 2500 with the buff, and thank god for ailment curing) and Iku buffing Alice/Youmu/etc. I can safely say that I <3 Iku now, hadn't really seen her in action before, but now I'm loving it. That buff can be incredible if used correctly.

Now to move on to Floor 9!

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Old 08-05-2010, 02:50 AM   Top  -  End  -  #125
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Let's Play Labyrinth of Touhou Plus Disk - Prologue

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I guess I should thank you all for the bumps to this old topic. Because, as it turns out, the recent release of the Special Disk (version 3.01) of this game has made me spend quite a bit of time on this game recently. Enough, in fact, to finally decide to go ahead with the Plus Disk content again.

Originally, I had planned a sort of "optimal" team of the best characters of the game for conquering the Plus Disk (minus the characters I had already used in the Let's Play, for a change of pace). Months ago, I admit I had thought that the post-game content was unforgiving enough that I absolutely needed the best team possible to beat it. I got as far as the final boss, but then when the Special Disk came out, some other folks suggested that I try to play through the game with most of the so-called "worst" characters in the game, the ones that the Wiki describes as low-tier. I liked the idea, especially since the wiki lacked a lot of info on these characters, so I tried taking them through the game. Naming them "Team Unappreciated", I beat the main game again, and discovered that they weren't nearly as bad as I had originally though. So naturally, the next challenge for me was to take on the Plus Disk with this team. And that brings me here.

I have already actually completed much of the gameplay for the Plus Disk, but to show the progress I've been making with these characters, I had been recording my boss fights (initially just to measure poison damage). But then I decided: hey, I have these videos, what's stopping me from continuing my Let's Play? So I decided to roll with the idea and see what happens. It helps that the Plus Disk has no story to speak of, so I get to make up whatever I want right now. (Note that most of the videos are already up on Youtube, I just need to go back and add dialogue or something now, lol.)

So yeah, once again Maribel's returned to this bizarre world. Let's see just what happens!
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:55 AM   Top  -  End  -  #126
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Sooo.... you're using Team Unappreciated for the plus disk?
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:18 AM   Top  -  End  -  #127
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I wonder if theres a map or something to help with floor 17. Cuz im lost :l
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:02 AM   Top  -  End  -  #128
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Any way I can get you to send me some of the awesome portrait conversions? While the original art doesn't bug me that much, some of those are just measurably more fun to look at. Although I might have trouble distinguishing some characters now, due to my relative inexperience with the series. I really should just play a couple of the official games now...

EDIT: Nevermind, Google is my friend. Found a SWR portrait set, and am going to do a more thorough search when I'm not on lunch break

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Old 08-05-2010, 03:04 PM   Top  -  End  -  #129
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I wonder if theres a map or something to help with floor 17. Cuz im lost :l
Best I can find is this Japanese map.

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Any way I can get you to send me some of the awesome portrait conversions? While the original art doesn't bug me that much, some of those are just measurably more fun to look at. Although I might have trouble distinguishing some characters now, due to my relative inexperience with the series. I really should just play a couple of the official games now...
Here's another set. I use a combination of that set and the SWR set (mostly the former).
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:28 AM   Top  -  End  -  #130
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Yeah, I ended up using the sets you mentioned to build my CharaGraph folder. Probably used more of the SWR, although some bugged me because they didn't seem to have a good resolution, if you know what I mean.

Anyways, I'm currently trying to survive the trek through floors 10-12 now. Got all the switches turned ON but haven't reached the first fail-safe yet. Had some nasty moments when I was ambushed by the tops (or accidently focused with Patchy and took an attack by all four mobs in the battle, that was almost a Game over!).

Nitori and Reisen were as easy as you mentioned, flawless victory against reisen and only a few squishy deaths due to Extending Arm with Nitori.

Took care of S. Foe too, although it was nasty. Took several tries and tons of mixing up fire resistance to find the combo that let me keep all my characters alive, only to finally give up and only worry about Meiling/Yuugi. Was underleveled similar to you Mirrinus, and had several scary moments (darn Foe sniped Patchy and Minoriko when both were critical at the moment to my strategy), and by the end with Minoriko and Reimu dead I managed to win right as Meiling's ability to survive was at its limit. Only had 6 char's left, no healing but a Meiling that was strapped just to heal herself, and no DPS but Youmu (who was awesome, due to not dying to random attacks). Iku was as golden as you said for me, majorly enhancing my healing efforts and my attacking efforts at different points in the battle.

If I were to do it again, I'd probably analyze my speed/wait times better to switch in and out much faster, as that was my major weakness, and caused a couple of my deaths

EDIT: Finished the hellish part of 10/11/12. And beat Tenshi. She actually got her uber-attack out on me (I have horrible luck on these bosses, I swear, they always end up sniping the guys in the back rows) but because of Return Inanimateness' ATK debuff and the Miracle Fruit buff, Alice lived with 7 hp and Meiling only lost 1k of 4k (lol), although my other two members were wiped out. Finished her before she could do it again, which would have put me in a tight spot without the Fruit. Also, once again, <3 Iku and her buff. And Sanae's. Alice was consistently buffed 70%-100% in magic xD

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Old 08-07-2010, 02:06 AM   Top  -  End  -  #131
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Let's Play Labyrinth of Touhou Plus Disk - Chapter 1

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I changed Maribel's text color from her earlier appearance because I was afraid her original color would be too hard to read if used for her expanded role here. Hope it helps.
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Such heroic main characters, tricking the gullible and terrified like that!
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Yay, more Touhou Labyrinth!

Yay, for funny conversations!

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I noticed that Maribel called Wriggle a boy. Will this gender confusion continue or not?
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:54 AM   Top  -  End  -  #135
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hm question guys...
whats BP :U
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whats BP :U
Battle Points. Each character receives one for starting the battle in the active party (front 4), and one for ending the battle in the active party. So you get 8 BP/Battle split up between 4 or more characters.

There's 3 characters you recruit that require certain BP totals...

All of these characters I know need to gain a certain amount of BP for recruitment
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Let's Play Labyrinth of Touhou Plus Disk - Chapter 2

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When I first decided to form a team based on the least-used characters in the game, I admit that I chose Meiling even though she was never considered low-tier. If anything, she's arguably the best dedicated tank in the game. I went with her because I was confident that I could beat the game regardless of who the other 11 characters were, so long as I had Meiling reliably standing at the head of the party. She still sort of has a place on Team Unappreciated, though, because she's unappreciated in...other ways.

Minoriko, on the other hand, is an interesting case. Months ago, when the game first came out, most players dismissed her as soon as they recruited Sanae, think that the latter is just a strict upgrade. Minoriko is a dedicated healer who does little else, while Sanae can heal, cure status effects, and use a better buff that raises all stats rather than just DEF and MND. However, over time more and more players began to realize that Minoriko is actually much better than she had been given credit for. Even with lower stat growths than Sanae, the formula for her healing spell is much stronger, and the delay for the spell is a lot shorter too, allowing Minoriko to recover HP much faster than Sanae can. With less of a need to raise her MAG, Minoriko can freely spend her level bonuses on raising her MND, turning her into a fairly durable magic tank and shooting her survivability way above Sanae's. Nowadays, Minoriko is recognized as the stronger pure cleric of the two, while Sanae is used more for her other utility uses besides restoring HP, namely the offensive buffs and status healing.

The Plus Disk involves a fair bit of backtracking, as most players won't be strong enough to take on this boss when they first reach the 21st floor, and will probably return a lot later. Because of this somewhat non-linear nature of the Plus Disk, this part of the LP will be focused more on bosses than floors. I expect each chapter to be a boss fight, except for maybe the 23rd floor, which is gimmicky enough to merit its own chapter.
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Monty Python and the Holy Grail references and dialogue regarding Reisen being a useless bunny and Minoriko's grape wine. Again plenty of humor in the playthrough of the boss.
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Rumia is healing instead of eating people? Wow.

Question for you; do you think up the dialogue while recording or after?
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Tragically, a few years later Reisen died of a broken down liver, her last words were, "I wish i'd just stayed a useless bunny..."
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Question for you; do you think up the dialogue while recording or after?
Rumia is a pretty decent healer if given MAG boosts. She main heals in a few other boss battles.

I always think of the dialogue after recording.
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yay for rumia. you should've used a full team 9 party
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Well, I've already used Cirno earlier in the LP (which is why she's currently not present), and Mystia is arguably a top tier character in this game, so she wouldn't fit with the theme of the team. But Pesco over at shrinemaiden.org did attempt a Team 9 run of the game before.
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Random thing I wanted to say really quick: Awesome avatar, btw. Tales of the Abyss is probably one of all-time favorite PS2 RPG's, and definitely my favorite Action-style RPG for the system, while Jade was my favorite character in the game. His combination of snark and power to back it up was always enjoyable.

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I hate to ask, but where might I get a New Game+ savefile? I really want to just play with characters I like. Unlocking them is, to put it lightly, a horrific pain, so I was hoping to play the game sans headaches. Could I get any help here? Thanks.
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I hate to ask, but where might I get a New Game+ savefile? I really want to just play with characters I like. Unlocking them is, to put it lightly, a horrific pain, so I was hoping to play the game sans headaches. Could I get any help here? Thanks.
Hope this works.

Unfortunately, this save file is currently glitched for 3.01, so you'll have to use it for the 2.04 version for best results. However, make sure you get the (untranslated) 2.06 version as well, as recruiting characters on 2.04 will reset their levels and skill points (but they keep the exp). To safely recruit characters you already have, you'll need to switch over to 2.06 (the save file is compatable with both) when you recruit, then save and switch back to 2.04 afterwards.

The differences between the versions aren't that huge, aside from Nitori being much worse in 2.04. I still haven't found a good working save file link for 3.01 yet; maybe I can get it working after beating the 30F on my current save file.

Edit: Someone over on shrinemaiden.org claims to have found a fix for using that NG+ file on 3.01:

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Haven't tried it out myself yet, but you can.

Edit: yeah, seems to work well enough. Just make sure you're using a fresh copy of 3.01, and move just the NG+ file into the save folder, replacing one of the Save 1-3 folders.
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Well, this took a long time to get done. The boss fight is just so long and boring, I had such a tough time figuring out what to write. Updates may be kind of erratic for this LP, although not nearly as long as this past update took.

Mokou is on this team because among all the dedicated damage dealers in the game, she's kind of forgettable. Her damage output isn't bad, but it's not phenominal either, so for the longest time her description was more average than flattering. However, I have found some neat uses for her. She's got much better durability than most other magic attackers in this game, like Patchouli, Marisa, and Yuyuko. She also possesses good variety in her attack elements, unlike Marisa or Yuyuko, who are both stuck with a single element. Oh, and she's way faster than Patchy and Yuyuko anyway. On my team, I use Mokou and Nitori as high delay nukers that get switched in and out quickly. However, since Mokou is much more durable, you'll notice that in almost every fight I tend to have her switched out when the boss attacks. Sometimes, you need someone capable of taking a few hits, even if they're not the best damage dealer.

Keine's spells really do look terribly average at first glance, but she actually does excel at something. Her offensive spells do just moderate damage (although they're versatile for nearly all situations), and Three Treasures - Mirror is pretty bad compared to Great Hakurei Barrier and IN Quadruple Barrier. However, her offensive buffs are better than I had thought when just looking at them on paper. Only 3 other characters can raise multiple characters' offensive stats at once: Ran, Renko, and Rinnosuke. Ran's Banquet of Twelve General Gods only raises stats by a small fraction of what Keine can do, so even if it does affect backrow characters, it takes forever to get your active characters to do high damage immediately, making it terrible to use in the middle of a damage race. Renko's Charge and Rinnosuke's World Shaking Military Rule raise all stats, but both come with heavy drawbacks; Charge can kill your own party if used improperly, while Military Rule can only ever be used once per fight. Keine, with her above average defenses and excellent HP and affinities, can stay out in the frontlines for a long time while spamming her buffs turn after turn, charging your party's offensive power quickly. Remember that ATK and MAG are useful even for tanks and healers like Meiling and Sanae, who need those stats to raise the potency of their healing spells.
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Yay, it's Mokou and Keine's turn! And monster-san does seem rather pitiful.

Also; "Just the sound of cackling flesh?" Huh?
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:10 AM   Top  -  End  -  #149
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Let's Play Labyrinth of Touhou Plus Disk - Chapter 4

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No boss fight this time. Just a very strange and unique floor.

Wriggle is a very underrated character whose contribution to battle often goes unnoticed. Poison damage can't be seen or measured easily, so most players tend to ignore it completely, or assume that other characters like Komachi and Yuugi can cause decent enough poison effects on their own. In reality, poison damage varies drastically depending on who causes it, as each character has their own PSN effect strength. Wriggle's is by far the best in the game, boasting a PSN effect of 3 to 4 times as high as most other characters can manage. Extremely few bosses in the game can resist poison as well, surprisingly enough. The damage is most significant in the early game, where your lower SPD stats mean much more time in between turns for poison to do its work. At endgame, though, very few tics pass between turns, making poison damage much less useful. So while Wriggle's poison damage is actually remarkably strong in the main game, during the Plus Disk her damage output is much less impressive. Still, she does fill one more role: backup tanking. Wriggle's HP and defenses aren't that bad, and since most of her damage comes from poison, which only increases with the user's level and not their ATK/MAG, Wriggle is free to spend all her resources on raising her defenses. She also has some of the best natural status resistances in the game for all status effects, giving her excellent survivability in boss fights when outfitted properly.

Rumia is very fragile and not too fast, but levels up at a remarkably high rate. To most people's surprise, Moonlight Ray has a ridiculously powerful damage formula, easily dwarfing other nuke-level spells like KO in Three Steps, Silent Selene, and Fujiyama Volcano. Unfortunately, Rumia's MAG growth isn't very good, but the formula still makes her a capable MYS damage dealer. Her most useful spell for my team, though, was Demarcation. In the early game, it's a pretty disappointing healing spell that barely recovers much HP at all, although it does cleanse all stat down effects. But if you concentrate on leveling up her MAG and use someone to boost her MAG further, such as Keine, Iku, or Ran, then Rumia can actually become a pretty good healer. While she's slower than Reimu, Demarcation still has much less delay and a way lower SP cost than Exorcising Barrier, making it a decent healing spell for spamming turn after turn if you choose to leave her out. And of course, unlike Reimu, Rumia can still spend her free turns nuking with Moonlight Ray for amazing damage (for a healer). She may take effort and patience to use well, but come late-game Rumia becomes a startlingly useful character who can both attack and heal.
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:25 AM   Top  -  End  -  #150
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Wriggle here reminds me of Moloch von Zinzer from Girl Genius.


I'm also glad to see this is still alive and kicking; I'd been hoping it wasn't dead.
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