2/28/2013 - Update on Thumb
12/31/2012 - There's a New Comic
12/12/2012 - The "Lost" Holiday Ornament (and Child's Play)
11/26/2012 - Leftover OOTS Swag on Sale (+Thumb Report)
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Order of the Stick 889 Get Real
Erfworld 163 The End of Book One
Erfworld Now at Erfworld.com!
RSS Feeds: OOTS

The Duke's Wolf, Part Four by Amber E. Scott
The Duke's Wolf, Part Three by Amber E. Scott
The Duke's Wolf, Part Two by Amber E. Scott

The New World, Part 9: Barbarians by Rich Burlew
The New World, Part 8: Gnomes by Rich Burlew
The New World, Part 7: Names and Cultures by Rich Burlew
Looking for the Gaming Articles?

 



Welcome back! Be sure you have read and understand the Forum Rules.


Go Back   Giant in the Playground Forums > Gaming > Roleplaying Games
Register FAQ Members List Mark Forums Read End

Roleplaying Games The all-purpose forum for general advice or system-independent (or multi-system) discussion. Come discuss adventure plots, gamemastering dilemmas, or player advice here. For ruleset-specific discussions, see the subforums.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-10-2010, 05:55 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
Heliomance
Ettin in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Gender: Female
Default Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Basically, a challenge to create an optimised, flavourful character, using a "secret ingredient" of a particular PrC, revealed only once the competition has started. You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:

1. Menu: For most challenges, the "secret ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.

2. Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below.

3. Cooking Time: Further to discussions in the previous thread, the secret ingredient will be announced from the get-go. Contestants will have until Monday 19th April to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman (most likely me, at least for the first few.) Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.

4. Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.

Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavour for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic point lost in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.

5. Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when anonymising the entries!

6. Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

7. Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.


So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for about 5 judges and as many contestants as feel like playing!

This is our first special contest, with the secret ingredient from a non-Complete book. An interesting prestige class which I've only ever seen abusing Festering Anger for NI strength, it's the Book of Vile Darkness's Cancer Mage!

Allez optimiser!

Judges:
9mm
arguskos
Temotei221
the humanity
Iamyourking
the_archduke
(Grynning)

Contestants:
volthawk
magic9mushroom
Apollo1776
Akal Saris
Vulaas
rogueboy
Adumbration
Chineselegolas
Iferus
TerrickTerran
Hand_of_Vecna
The Vorpal Tribble
ShneekeyTheLost
FishAreWet
BooNL
__________________
Quotebox
Spoiler

Avatar by Musashi.

Last edited by Heliomance : 04-12-2010 at 03:37 AM.
Heliomance is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 05:57 PM   Top  -  End  -  #2
Volthawk
Firbolg in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 
London, England
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

First time I've tried anything like this, but I'll sign up.
__________________
New Dragonwought by Darwin
Volthawk is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 06:41 PM   Top  -  End  -  #3
9mm
Bugbear in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

In b4 infinite strength Hulking Hurler...


I'll judge.
__________________
Rule of Cool former designer

Shows I'm watching: Young Justice, Doctor Who

Games I'm playing: League of Legends, Dota 2, Planetside 2 (NC), Witcher 2
9mm is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 06:54 PM   Top  -  End  -  #4
magic9mushroom
Bugbear in the Playground
 
DrowGirl
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Well, obviously, taking NI Str will get us 0 points for elegance.

I'm probably in.
__________________
Spoiler
magic9mushroom is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 07:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #5
Volthawk
Firbolg in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 
London, England
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Sorry if this sounds obvious, but how are stats generated?
__________________
New Dragonwought by Darwin
Volthawk is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 07:23 PM   Top  -  End  -  #6
Heliomance
Ettin in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Gender: Female
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

32 point buy
__________________
Quotebox
Spoiler

Avatar by Musashi.
Heliomance is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 07:24 PM   Top  -  End  -  #7
Volthawk
Firbolg in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 
London, England
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
32 point buy
OK, thanks.
__________________
New Dragonwought by Darwin
Volthawk is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 07:26 PM   Top  -  End  -  #8
Apollo1776
Pixie in the Playground
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Sign me up, I gotta work on my minmaxing.
Apollo1776 is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 10:05 PM   Top  -  End  -  #9
arguskos
Titan in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Reporting for duty as a judge again, Heliomance!
__________________
Lovely Thaxos, Elder Serpent avatar by... someone! I've forgotten in the years, sorry! Please, let me know so I can credit you!

Sig Below!
Spoiler
Io sono un fantasma
arguskos is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 10:07 PM   Top  -  End  -  #10
Temotei
Firbolg in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: 
Minnesota
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Ooh...I'll be a judge.
Temotei is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 10:10 PM   Top  -  End  -  #11
Zergrusheddie
Barbarian in the Playground
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Cancer Mage is an interesting choice. The other Prestige Classes were generally difficult to create competent characters. This time, will be hard to get any point in elegance considering Infinite Strength is damn easy with Festering Rage.
Zergrusheddie is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 10:18 PM   Top  -  End  -  #12
arguskos
Titan in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

You decide to abuse Festering Anger? I'll give you a zero on Elegance, tanking your score. We all know how to do that, give us something fresh.
__________________
Lovely Thaxos, Elder Serpent avatar by... someone! I've forgotten in the years, sorry! Please, let me know so I can credit you!

Sig Below!
Spoiler
Io sono un fantasma

Last edited by arguskos : 04-10-2010 at 10:18 PM.
arguskos is offline  
Old 04-10-2010, 10:59 PM   Top  -  End  -  #13
the humanity
Barbarian in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'll try judging... couldn't come up with anything last time, and I love this class much more than Psibond Agent.
the humanity is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 01:26 AM   Top  -  End  -  #14
Akal Saris
Bugbear in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'll compete again, though poisons are more my thing than diseases are =P
__________________
Handbooks: (Hosted on BG)
[3.5] The Poison Handbook
[3.5] (New) Master of Shrouds Handbook
[3.5 Base Class] Healer's Handbook

Trophies!
Spoiler
Akal Saris is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 02:44 AM   Top  -  End  -  #15
Vulaas
Barbarian in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Registering as a competitor, as I proved far less reliable as a judge >.<

(really, really sorry on that)
Vulaas is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 03:16 AM   Top  -  End  -  #16
rogueboy
Orc in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: 
State College, PA
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'm going to at least try to put something together for this one again. Making my final graduate school commitments and figuring out plans for the summer, so I don't know how much time I'll have to put into this, sadly.
__________________
Avatar courtesy of Prime32

Spoiler
rogueboy is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 03:19 AM   Top  -  End  -  #17
Adumbration
Troll in the Playground
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: 
Finland
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Signing up as a contestant. Let's see, now...
Adumbration is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 04:35 AM   Top  -  End  -  #18
Chineselegolas
Ogre in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Signing up as a contestant. Dunno how to make something interesting at the moment, but its been far long since I made a character.
__________________
Still here, just a little busy to social post

You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. ~ Jayne Cobb

Spoiler
Chineselegolas is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 04:43 AM   Top  -  End  -  #19
Iferus
Dwarf in the Playground
 
BardGuy
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'll sign up!
Iferus is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 05:19 AM   Top  -  End  -  #20
Iamyourking
Barbarian in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: 
Imperial Secret
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'm up for judging.
__________________
Spoiler

Thank you to Ceika for the signature and Pink Haired August for the avatar.

Sons of the Fallen (My nation of cannibalistic giants) is here, please comment on it and let me know if you have any desire to use it.

Never forget, never forgive.
Iamyourking is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 07:27 AM   Top  -  End  -  #21
TerrickTerran
Barbarian in the Playground
 
GnomePirate
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Why not, I'll give it a shot.
__________________
Minister of Fire and Destruction of the nameless cleric of Loki fanclub.

No, none of us were altering the unimutable laws of physics. That would be wrong.

Last edited by TerrickTerran : 04-11-2010 at 07:27 AM.
TerrickTerran is online now  
Old 04-11-2010, 08:56 AM   Top  -  End  -  #22
the_archduke
Dwarf in the Playground
 
PaladinGuy
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I want to play again!

Actually, can I judge this time instead?
__________________
3rd Place in Iron Chef Optimization Challenge II

Last edited by the_archduke : 04-11-2010 at 09:07 AM.
the_archduke is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 01:09 PM   Top  -  End  -  #23
Grynning
Bugbear in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 
Austin, TX
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Looks like there are already 5 judges signed up, but you can count on me for judging if needed. Last time only 3 out of the 5 judges actually appeared, so extras won't hurt.

Hmm...Cancer Mage...I no longer own a BoVD but I imagine I can dig one up. this'll be interesting.
__________________


Comedian avatar by The_Stoney_One

Iron Chef Judge! Check out my awesome badges by Jumilk!
Spoiler

Last edited by Grynning : 04-11-2010 at 01:11 PM.
Grynning is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 01:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #24
Heliomance
Ettin in the Playground
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Gender: Female
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

That's plenty of judges! No more! Let's get some more contesgtants in, shall we?
__________________
Quotebox
Spoiler

Avatar by Musashi.
Heliomance is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 07:39 PM   Top  -  End  -  #25
Hand_of_Vecna
Barbarian in the Playground
 
NecromancerGuy
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

I'll be participating again. Sorry I didn't chime in till now internet is still hit or miss.
Hand_of_Vecna is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 07:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #26
The Vorpal Tribble
Banned
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 
The Mindfields
Gender: Female
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

About time I entered a contest. Count me in.
The Vorpal Tribble is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 09:22 PM   Top  -  End  -  #27
AbyssKnight
Dwarf in the Playground
 
AssassinGuy
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Is the Dragon Magazine Compendium allowed?

I ask for the clarification because Dragon Magazine is not allowed, but the Compendium was an actual book and "all 3.5 books are allowed."
AbyssKnight is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 10:32 PM   Top  -  End  -  #28
ShneekeyTheLost
Titan in the Playground
 
BardGuy
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 
I wish I knew...
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Well, since you're no longer accepting judges, I shall simply enter as a contestant. I've got an idea, but it'll take me a day or two to see if I can get this to work. Should at least get me a decent Elegance score, if not a particularly high Power score...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
Wizard is easy mode. Real optimizers use Samurai!
Spoiler
ShneekeyTheLost is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 10:40 PM   Top  -  End  -  #29
The Vorpal Tribble
Banned
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 
The Mindfields
Gender: Female
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Usually I come up with a character concept and then build a class around it. More difficult doing it this way. Elegance is my middle name, but I need a proper story for this interesting build...
The Vorpal Tribble is offline  
Old 04-11-2010, 10:49 PM   Top  -  End  -  #30
ShneekeyTheLost
Titan in the Playground
 
BardGuy
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 
I wish I knew...
Gender: Male
Default Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge III

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Vorpal Tribble View Post
Usually I come up with a character concept and then build a class around it. More difficult doing it this way. Elegance is my middle name, but I need a proper story for this interesting build...
Heh, I got a concept and backstory already written. Trying to get it to work mechanically is more of my challenge here...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
Wizard is easy mode. Real optimizers use Samurai!
Spoiler
ShneekeyTheLost is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:59 PM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Usage of this site, including but not limited to making or editing a post or private message or the creation of an account, constitutes acceptance of the Forum Rules.