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Old 04-21-2010, 12:04 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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There was discussion of a reboot for the BleachITP-verse. A new beginning, more structured and with an overall lower power level. Similar deal to Ultimate Marvel.

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Probably ought to add link to the 2nd Thread up there.
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Don't forget to add my vote tally on page 49, for the Central 46.
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I am now calling the closure of our Votation for the illustrious governing body of the Seireitei. The Central 46.

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This is the final tally. The three bolded names will be our councilors, if we go with only 3 members. The two italic names will also be added if we go with 5 members. And Knight is there for us to point and laugh that he was so far behind in the voting.

Then again he did mention he would decline once or twice.

Well. I will point and laugh anyway.

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Still in the creation proccess. Working out some personality issues. :D

Would the following abilities be okay for a self-aligned Arrancar, preferably starting in the world of the living (maybe connected to one of the evil groups):

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Exactly- that's the reason I didn't take that course with, say, Haruka's Bijuu- because I live in Australia. You guys are in, mostly, a completely different timezone from me.
I'd actually like to point out that the reason you stated for not taking that course was that you didn't like being in full control of your character's actions.
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Two things.

One, if you plan to start in the world of the living, then it is best to not have that segunda etapa at start. Also, his reiatsu is way high.

Another, I strongly recommend aligning arrancar characters with Las Noches unless you have specific, plotty plans to follow that require being a "Wild" as I like to refer. Because being a Wild Hollow means you have no structure to fall back on, alone in the world with only violence to be met from most any other character that finds out who he is.

Specialy arrancar from Las Noches, I would presume.
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About the votes: Maybe the first decision of Central 3 should be whether they infact are Central 5?

About Vizards: I actually considered two-player arrangement for both Sato Hachirou (not a Vizard, but still) and Hannibal, but abandoned it because of logistical issues. If someone really wants to play Jin or Orcus, give me a poke.

However, it should be considered that every Shinigami has a second personality already: their zanpakuto spirit. If we demand every potential character who wants a mask to have a second player control their Hollow, shouldn't we also demand similar arrangement from everyone who wants to develop shikai / bankai, if only for the time of the acquisition process?

@Magikeeper: if you really want your Arrancar to be wild, what about teaming him up with Soshi Koan? Otherwise, he'll be alone and risks
  • Being eaten by Elder
  • Having his memory flayed by Wasureru
  • Being slashed to ribbons by Shinigami
  • Being turned to a pin cushion by Quincy
  • Being trapped, mind-raped, obliterated or otherwise pestered by Las Noches
Really, it'd be a sad existence. You could also team him up with Kujo, our resident Big Bad.
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About the votes: Maybe the first decision of Central 3 should be whether they infact are Central 5?

About Vizards: I actually considered two-player arrangement for both Sato Hachirou (not a Vizard, but still) and Hannibal, but abandoned it because of logistical issues. If someone really wants to play Jin or Orcus, give me a poke.

However, it should be considered that every Shinigami has a second personality already: their zanpakuto spirit. If we demand every potential character who wants a mask to have a second player control their Hollow, shouldn't we also demand similar arrangement from everyone who wants to develop shikai / bankai, if only for the time of the acquisition process?

@Magikeeper: if you really want your Arrancar to be wild, what about teaming him up with Soshi Koan? Otherwise, he'll be alone and risks
  • Being eaten by Elder
  • Having his memory flayed by Wasureru
  • Being slashed to ribbons by Shinigami
  • Being turned to a pin cushion by Quincy
  • Being trapped, mind-raped, obliterated or otherwise pestered by Las Noches
Really, it'd be a sad existence. You could also team him up with Kujo, our resident Big Bad.
Except the Zanpaktou spirit actually WANTS to help you, even if your not on the best of terms, and their motives are often pretty in line with your own.

A Inner Hollow wants to kill your Z Pak spirit, and take over your body, your Z Pak is the only thing between you, and complete possession unless your like Ichigo, and even then it still happens.
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Except the Zanpaktou spirit actually WANTS to help you, even if your not on the best of terms, and their motives are often pretty in line with your on.
Not always the case. Zangetsu, for example, is/was quite a ****. He flat out said to Ichigo that if he'd fall back, Zangetsu wouldn't have his back. Achieving Shikai is contingent on having the acceptance of the sword spirit; achieving Bankai, as far as I can remember, requires beating the manifestation of your sword spirit in single combat, much like subjugating an Inner Hollow does.

And if we take the fillers into consideration, then there's always Muramasa.

Besides, we aren't limited to canon in this matter anyway. Both the old RP and this one have examples of Zanpakutou spirits who disrespect their owners or are otherwise troublesome.
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Not always the case. Zangetsu, for example, is/was quite a ****. He flat out said to Ichigo that if he'd fall back, Zangetsu wouldn't have his back. Achieving Shikai is contingent on having the acceptance of the sword spirit; achieving Bankai, as far as I can remember, requires beating the manifestation of your sword spirit in single combat, much like subjugating an Inner Hollow does.

And if we take the fillers into consideration, then there's always Muramasa.

Besides, we aren't limited to canon in this matter anyway. Both the old RP and this one have examples of Zanpakutou spirits who disrespect their owners or are otherwise troublesome.
That's funny considering what he does in... every fight leading up to the Byakuya fight.. which is help Ichigo, and in the Zanpaktou arc.

Also, Muramasa WAS trying to help his master...
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Arguments about canon aside, my point is: If we say one kind of power up requires special justification and rules, why not all of them?

The idea of double players for Vizards is based on the idea that such arrangement will prevent Hollowfication from being a cheap power-up, essentially forcing greater character interaction and depth. But same reasoning can be applied to every Shinigami, because achieving Shikai and Bankai are also contingent on another spirit within accepting the main soul's sovereignty.
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I was thinking about Kujo. Which is one of the reasons Algo is unusually strong. Koan might also work, but they are both shapeshifters so I thought running into each other during the story might be more interesting. Although two shape shifters might be better than one.

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One, if you plan to start in the world of the living, then it is best to not have that segunda etapa at start. Also, his reiatsu is way high.

Another, I strongly recommend aligning arrancar characters with Las Noches unless you have specific, plotty plans to follow that require being a "Wild" as I like to refer. Because being a Wild Hollow means you have no structure to fall back on, alone in the world with only violence to be met from most any other character that finds out who he is.

Specialy arrancar from Las Noches, I would presume.

Algo intends to be masquerading as a spiritually aware human by using his Resurrección at all times. I only gave him the second release because I didn’t see any way from him to gain one over the course of the story – he would be repressing his power pretty much at all times. He is well aware of how dangerous it is to be running around the world of the living (although he has no specific connection to the other hollows – he’s just been a hermit). I guess the constant suppression and Resurrección use could explain him acquiring the ability later on, but I dislike it when characters suddenly know how to use new abilities without training and I just don’t see how he could train an ability that totally blows his cover. Might as well put a beacon on him. That's the only issue, I don't actually need or desire to have the ability at start if I can come up with a good idea as to how I could gain it later.

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The difference here is that a zanpakutou spirit can be somewhat antagonical. But an inner hollow is a bastard who wants to devour your mind and take over your body.

A zanpakutou is a mostly different character who may or may not have matching goals. An inner hollow has a very specific goal of being nasty to you so it can be nasty to the rest of the world after you go down.

This, obviously, applies as the general rule.

That said, I agree with strawberryman that while this should be recommended, it should by no means be enforced.

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And on that matter, don't balance them against Captains or Espada either. These characters will not be seeing action any time soon. This game will focus at first on the lower echelons of the power scale, such as the mortals. But those three, in particular, are slightly above the standards.
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Then I repeat my suggestion that it's also recommended people find other players for their sword spirit when / if achieving Bankai on-screen.

@Magikeeper: One thing: your character can change his shape and reiatsu, but I don't think that would make him visible to non-aware mortals. To do that, I say he should either be possessing people or using a gigai, which would also double as a power limiter of his own. I'd say you can drop those from the explicit powers of your character, and make his Segunda Etapa powers part of his initial resurreccion.
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Magikeeper, what does the guy look like? I had a similar concept whose Hollow mask took the shape of the person he turned into.

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*:a coatl is a type of winged, feathered serpent in DnD. The best picture I can find is this.
They're based on Quetzlcoautl, who appeared in various forms in Native American cultures.
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They're based on Quetzlcoautl, who appeared in various forms in Native American cultures.
Oh, I know, but the pictures of Coatl's I've seen is what I picture as Untaidake, and the closest I could find to that was the magic card I provided. But yes, Higure's zanpakuto spirit is based on a Native American God.
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Oh, I know, but the pictures of Coatl's I've seen is what I picture as Untaidake, and the closest I could find to that was the magic card I provided. But yes, Higure's zanpakuto spirit is based on a Native American God.
Well, given that Hollows are Mexican and Native American gods often demand sacrifices...

I think in the last RP ol' Quetzl was explicitly a Vasto Lorde.
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@Magikeeper: One thing: your character can change his shape and reiatsu, but I don't think that would make him visible to non-aware mortals. To do that, I say he should either be possessing people or using a gigai, which would also double as a power limiter of his own. I'd say you can drop those from the explicit powers of your character, and make his Segunda Etapa powers part of his initial resurreccion.
Gigai: *facepalm* - I totally forgot about that. That was the initial reason why he was less powerful while changed…

I think the suggestion quoted was to replace the resurreccion with the Segunda Etapa?

I should note that Algo’s power disguises what rather than who. Perhaps I should have his release simply look kinda like himself with slight changes, which was really what I was going for. He can look like two different-ish humans, but I didn’t intened for him to be impersonating specific people.

I probably should have waited until I finished typing out the rest of Algo before asking about the abilities... as the resurreccion in particular is a big part of who he is. Heck, his name isn't even Algo. He named himself after his blade as he actually had to remember that one. He is 'something', after all.

As soon as I have two hours to string together I'll type out his personality, motives, and such. I think that would help determing things.


On power level, I guess his abilities could simply start out really weak and get stronger when he gets SE... kinda makes sure he can't go solo without certain death by like, everyone. But thats okay. Gives him more incentive to align himself with people.
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Then I repeat my suggestion that it's also recommended people find other players for their sword spirit when / if achieving Bankai on-screen.
I also agree with this, for the same reasons that I suggested that Vizard characters should find someone else to play their Inner Hollow. In the subjugation phase of power, the opponent actively wants to prevent you from subjugating it. I think that it's much easier to write that sort of story with two people than one. Conflict between you and yourself is sorta boring to write, and it's sorta boring to read.
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On power level, I guess his abilities could simply start out really weak and get stronger when he gets SE... kinda makes sure he can't go solo without certain death by like, everyone. But thats okay. Gives him more incentive to align himself with people.
The vast majority of his opponents will be fairly weak as well, remember. Unseated Shinigami, inexperienced Quincies, and Spiritually aware humans.
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Well, given that Hollows are Mexican and Native American gods often demand sacrifices...

I think in the last RP ol' Quetzl was explicitly a Vasto Lorde.
That's true... Well, the character isn't evil, just has a coatl as a zanpakuto spirit.
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@Magikeeper: One thing: your character can change his shape and reiatsu, but I don't think that would make him visible to non-aware mortals. To do that, I say he should either be possessing people or using a gigai, which would also double as a power limiter of his own. I'd say you can drop those from the explicit powers of your character, and make his Segunda Etapa powers part of his initial resurreccion.
This seems to be a major difference between Soshi Koan and Magi's character. Soshi Koan can in fact, somehow, appear to non-aware mortals.

@Magi-The offer Frozen made for your character to join Soshi isn't a bad one, and I extend it personally. I think it'd make for quite the interesting side for the Arrancar's appart from Las Noches.
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:22 PM   Top  -  End  -  #28
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*sigh* And here I thought I'd promised myself I wouldn't make any more characters. Granted, I'm not really making a new one aside from the power set...

((Before people get too worried, yeah, I'm getting rid of her teleportation abilities. I'm also going with a more positive approach to her backstory.))

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We should probably figure out now whether Bount reiatsu is detectable or not. In the last game it was assumed as much, even if they were undetectable in the source canon.
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I say bount get the ability to conceal their reiatsu completely when they wish, except from specialized detectors.

Like a compromise.
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