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Old 04-26-2010, 05:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default 3.5 Base Class: The Muscle Mage

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‘Mages? Puny, fleshy things. I could kill them with my eyes shut. Him? Oh, he’s different. I saw him pick up a Colossal demon once and throw it. Yes, I know he’s five foot tall and built like an underweight elf. No, I haven’t drunk anything yet.’
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Background-The Muscle Mage is a practicioner of arcane magic who uses an utterly unique approach. Using only a little outside power, they magnify a hundred fold the strength bound into their body, whether the simple power of the muscles, or magic left to grow within them.
Races-Any race with spellcasting ability could become a Muscle Mage, though it is most common among the very strong or the very weak races.
Other Classes-Muscle Mages get on well with most classes, although some wizards can grate on their nerves. Barbarians and Sorcerers in particular get on well with them, as they both see part of themselves in them. They get on best with other classes that do things in a stranger way that most-the Ghostblade, for example, or the Anarch.
Role-A Muscle Mage must make a balance between hitting things and casting their spells-most of which sacrifice their power for better or different ways of hitting things.
Muscle Mages in the World-Muscle Mages are a relatively new phenomenon. The first example was an elven girl named Leah, who was sick of people being able to push her around all the time. Needless to say, a lithe elven maiden who could lift a mace twice her size drew a lot of attention-and quickly enough, students.
Inspiration- Strength based spellcasting and boredom. XD

Alignment-Any, leaning slightly towards Neutral due to a propensity for arrogance.
Hit Die-d8
Starting Gold-As Fighter
Starting Age-As Fighter
Class Skills-The Muscle Mage’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Gather Information (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (Arcana) (Int), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Wis), Spellcraft (Int), Survival (Wis), Swim (Str),
Skill Points at 1st level-(4 + Int Modifier) x4
Skill Points per Level-4 + Int Modifier

NAME OF CLASS
LevelBase Attack BonusFort SaveRef SaveWill SaveSpecial0lvl1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th
1st
+0
+2
+2
+0
Body and Mind as One, Mightcasting31         
2nd
+1
+3
+3
+0
 41        
3rd
+1
+3
+3
+1
Juggernaut42        
4th
+2
+4
+4
+1
Eldritch Blow (1/encounter)521       
5th
+2
+4
+4
+1
 531       
6th
+3
+5
+5
+2
Power of the Titans631       
7th
+3
+5
+5
+2
Eldritch Blow (2/encounter)6421      
8th
+4
+6
+6
+2
 7421      
9th
+4
+6
+6
+3
 74321     
10th
+5
+7
+7
+3
Inner Might, Eldritch Blow (3/encounter)84321     
11th
+5
+7
+7
+3
 844321    
12th
+6/+1
+8
+8
+4
 844321    
13th
+6/+1
+8
+8
+4
Eldritch Blow (4/encounter)8443321   
14th
+7/+2
+9
+9
+4
Vessel of Power8543321   
15th
+7/+2
+9
+9
+5
 85433321  
16th
+8/+3
+10
+10
+5
Eldritch Blow (5/encounter)85443321  
17th
+8/+3
+10
+10
+5
Greater Power of the Titans854433221 
18th
+9/+4
+11
+11
+6
 855433221 
19th
+9/+4
+11
+11
+6
Eldritch Blow (6/encounter)8554332221
20th
+10/+5
+12
+12
+6
Haymaker8554332222

Weapon and Armour Proficiencies: Muscle Mages are proficient with light armour and shields, all simple weapons and all bludgeoning martial weapons. In addition, they may take their choice of any one weapon proficiency feat, or the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for free.

Mightcasting: A Muscle Mage draws their strength only partially from the outside, magnifying it with the power stored in their bodies, both arcane and physical. Their spellcasting is based off their Strength Stat.
To learn or cast a spell, a Muscle Mage must have a Strength score equal to at least 10 plus twice the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a Muscle Mage’s spell is 10 + the spell level + the Muscle Mage’s Strength modifier.

In addition, due to their strength, both physical and their stored arcane power, being drained by their magic, they do not use the spells per day system. (The table above refers to spells known.) Instead, whenever they cast a spell, they suffer ability burn to their Strength score according to the following table. Note that 0-level spells have no cost: they may cast them as often as they like.

Spell Level123456789
Burn Per Cast111222334

A side effect of this casting style is a resistance to the draining of their power. They gain a +1 on any saving throws against ability damage, ability drain or negative levels. In addition, their strength can never fall below 1.

Body And Mind As One: A Muscle Mage uses their magic to enhance their strength, just as they enhance their strength with their magic. They gain an inherent bonus to Strength equal to their Muscle Mage caster level, although this number may not exceed their ECL.

Juggernaut: It's hard to suppress the power of the Muscle Mage. At 3rd level, their natural rate for healing ability damage and ability burn increases to one point per hour, or two while resting. While completely relaxes, or asleep, they regain four per hour. In addition, they gain a bonus equal to half their class level on checks made to recover negative levels.

Eldritch Blow: A Muscle Mage slowly learns to combine their use of magical power with their use of raw strength.
Once per encounter at 4th level, and another time for each 3rd level thereafter, a Muscle Mage may take a full round action to cast any one spell with a range of touch, and make a single attack with any attack form they possess. If the attack hits, the spell is applied to the target as well as the normal effects of the attack.
Using this ability does not provoke attacks of opportunity due to spellcasting.

If the attack misses, the spell may be delivered as normal on a subsequent round, unless the attack was made with a ranged weapon, in which case it is lost.

Power of the Titans: At 6th level, a Muscle Mage begins to apply their strength in creative ways. They may use a weapon sized for a creature one size category larger than them as normal, though the difficulty of doing so still gives them a -2 penalty. When wielding an oversized weapon, they can wield it as if it were one step more complex (Light becomes Single handed, Single handed becomes Two handed). If they do, they negate the -2 penalty.
However, a weapon can be constructed at this greater size to be easily wielded by smaller characters, at a +50% to base cost. In this case, it may be wielded as if it were their size, other than the increased damage.
This ability counts as Monkey Grip for prerequisites.
As an additional benefit, the Muscle Mage may deal unarmed and natural weapon damage as if one size larger.

At 17th level, they may use a weapon sized two categories larger than them, though the same rules apply. (They may use a weapon one size greater with no penalty, or two sizes greater with a -2 penalty, or two sizes greater, but one step more complex with no penalty.)
This ability stacks with Powerful Build and all similar abilities other than the monkey grip feat.
They can also deal unarmed and natural weapon damage as if up to two sizes larger.

Inner Might: Although some power is drawn from outside, most of the strength used by a Muscle Mage comes from within. At 10th level, their skill becomes such that they can ignore some arcane spell failure % when casting Muscle mage spells. They ignore % equal to their Muscle Mage caster level, although this number may not exceed their ECL.

Vessel of Power: A Muscle Mage’s magic is a part of them-as are their weapons. At 14th level, they can use any weapon to deliver touch spells.

Haymaker: A Muscle Mage of 20th level is the ultimate example of magic and might together. He may cast one spell in a round as if quickened without increased casting time or spell level, as long as he has dealt HP damage to a foe of at least ¾ of his CR that round. In addition, he deals more damage with his attacks: Increase the ratio of his Strength applied to each attacks by 0.5. (So a one handed weapons deals x1.5 Str, a two handed weapon deals x2 Str, and if you somehow deal x2 Str already, you increase to x2.5.

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When expanding the Muscle Mage's spell list, consider adding spells that buff the Muscle Mage's fighting abilities, and a small number of damaging spells, especially those delivered at melee range.
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This...has so much comic potential
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Thank you. XD
A friend wanted to wield Mount Everest as a weapon. DXD
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Flex Mentalo anyone?
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Awright somebody cept me remmebers Grant Morrison's run on the Doom Patrol!
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Flex Mentalo anyone?
Who/what is that?
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How amusing...

Unless you can throw together 90 strength, you never get ninth level spells. Intentional?
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Intentional, yes: Also intentional is that with the bonus from Arcane Might, it is just possible to get 100 strength, and easy to get 90.
Though I should specify that you count that for spellcasting.
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Yes, most definitely.

EDIT: a brief note on how high your Strength needs to be before Arcane Might to cast your highest level of spells:

LevelStrength
110
210
35
415
515
67
717
817
917
1017
1127
1212
1322
1422
1514
1614
1724
183
1913
2013

A bit wonky in places, as you can see. Consider a different progression for either Arcane Might or spellcasting, maybe? Otherwise, sucks to be level 11.
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Done. XD
Otherwise you'd be lucky to get 2nd level spells pre-epic. O_o
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Done. XD
Otherwise you'd be lucky to get 2nd level spells pre-epic. O_o
Don't exaggerate!

18+2 racial +5 tome +6 enhancement +5 levels gets you third, easily.
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Tome? (Confused) What's that? (is newbie)

The Bull's Strength variations are up, by the way.
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The Bull's Strength variations are up, by the way.
In this case, it's actually a Manual, but the point still stands. Even without it, you just barely grab 3rd level spells. And with judicious template stacking, a couple of other loops, and a lenient DM, I'm fairly sure you could get up to 5th or 6th level spells.
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Oh, okay.
I always forget to calculate for magic items and things. My dad was hugely stingy with magic weapons-he once gave someone an evil sword, and it owned them rather than vice-versa.
It hated halflings.
She regularly woke up to find a horde of angry halfings at the door, and s bloodied sword by her bed.


Anyway, Arcane Might is there so you can easily get 100, and with the magical stuff, probably 110 or 120.
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OH.

Oh. Oh dear.

Restoration breaks this class nine ways to hell and back. Can you say 'at-will casting'? I can, and I can read it too!

A bit sarcastic, but the point stands.
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I thought restoration was less powerful. O_o
I'll make it ability burn, and increase their natural strength healing.
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I thought restoration was less powerful. O_o
I'll make it ability burn, and increase their natural strength healing.
Unfortunately, the strength buffs are much the same, although to a lesser extent. Scion of Might, in particular, grants your daily allocation of spells over again if you can Delay it.
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Scion of Might IS strong, but you can't delay it, you have to cast it while your strength is 90 or higher-and it won't last long enough for you to abuse it. I hope.

Tewnty minutes, enough time to abuse it? :/ Maybe lower the duration...

Oops, there was meant to be something about not falling below 1 strength. (Edits)
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Sure you can Delay it. All you need is some way to reduce a metamagic cost by 1 level, and BANG, instant delay-ability.

I'll admit that it's not as broken as it could be, but I'm still leery about that much of a boost to their primary casting stat. If nothing else, it makes their save DCs a menace.

Also, level 2 looks a bit bland at the moment. You might want to try and fix that.
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Well, it does make their spells VERY hard to stop. That's kind of intentional.

How exactly does Delay Spell work?

Well, spellcasters traditionally have few abilities-though I did add Juggernaut to level 2 a few edits ago, it's pretty minor.
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Another thing that you have to fix is this:

[quote]The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a sorcerer’s muscle mage'sspell is 10 + the spell level + the sorcerer’s muscle mage's Strength divided by ten.

It's an interesting idea, but Random_person has a point, maybe restrict the ability to heal the strength damage or apply another restriction to the spellcasting in addition to the current one.
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It's an interesting idea, but Random_person has a point, maybe restrict the ability to heal the strength damage or apply another restriction to the spellcasting in addition to the current one.
Uh. What exactly do I need to fix there?
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I'm not a fan of the whole 10x spell level STR required deal. It essentially prohibits you from ever taking a prestige class, for fear that you miss out on the Arcane Might ability.
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I'm not a fan of the whole 10x spell level STR required deal. It essentially prohibits you from ever taking a prestige class, for fear that you miss out on the Arcane Might ability.
It also prohibits you from casting, for fear you won't be able to cast any good spells.

This class is pretty much worthless for the actual casting... it's better just to beat the crap out of somebody with your +absurd damage and Tenser's Transformation (or whatever the "gain full BAB" spell is)

EDIT: I saw it doesn't have that, nevermind.

Also, an untyped bonus equal to your current strength, especially since it uses arcane might but isn't limited by it for to hit, is insane. Get your +20 enhancement bonus, cast scion of might, and suddenly all your arcane might applies to hit, *and* all of your arcane might plus your base stats are now doubled for damage.

Yeah, this class is purely for beating **** up, not for casting, and the spells you have are absurd.

EDIT X2: Just as an example, assuming you have a base str of 1, and you cast the +20 enhancement bonus spell, you now have 100 str, so +45 to damage, with +5 to hit. Then you cast the "double your strength" spell, which is an untyped (not arcane might) bonus, and you now have 200 str, so + 95 to damage, +55 to hit, with a base strength of one. You have a -7 to both from the ability burn for casting the spells, but still, it's nutty.

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I vaguely recall a thread about designing spellcasting methods based on Str, Dex, etc.

Interesting concept, although your execution takes it far from the ideas I saw in that thread...
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That's a good point, Mongoose, I'll change the strength requirement to be your base strength + spell level, as with normal classes.

I really like the system of ability burn. :/ Is there a way I could keep the 10xStrength and still have the spells be castable? How about if any spells cast don't cause ability burn for a certain number of rounds, so you maintain full casting ability until the end of the encounter? Would that work?

Oops. I'll put in somewhere that Scion of Might and Arcane Might don't work like that. They shouldn't. Thanks for the feedback.

Oh, and thanks, Set. ^_^
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:01 PM   Top  -  End  -  #27
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This is cool. When i read it, I thought it was a class that controls the muscles of their targets and other muscle tissue, turning a porterhouse into a deadly weapon!
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This is cool. When i read it, I thought it was a class that controls the muscles of their targets and other muscle tissue, turning a porterhouse into a deadly weapon!
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if i had 100+ strenght i wouldn't waste time casting spells, i would grab the biggest thing i can see and crush my enemies with it....
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That happened...

We were facing a mob (60+) of Kobolds after killing a great Wyrm Black Dragon. Our Psion (who was a viletooth poison dusk lizardfolk. yes, both) had cut a chop from the dragon for a meal, and ended up using it as a "drop" weapon using TK.

I also ran a Half-Giant Half-Neanderthal that used a T-Rex Drumstick as a greatclub ;3
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