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Old 05-05-2010, 09:38 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default BleachITP Reborn: Discussion & Setup Thread 5

There was discussion of a reboot for the BleachITP-verse. A new beginning, more structured and with an overall lower power level. Similar deal to Ultimate Marvel.

This thread is for discussing that, to keep it out of the main thread.

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In the second last thread people voted and decided that there would not be a Quincy vs Shinigami war before the actual start of the story/roleplay unlike in canon. It was also decided through a vote that Quincy arrows would destroy souls as they do in canon through a vote. People are open to the possibility of future conflicts between the two factions and the Quincy learning how to purify souls with their arrows. Learning how to do so would likely be a significant plot point.

Quincy players have decided that anyone that makes a Quincy should write up a description of their family/clan's history.

Souls that are fully absorbed and become part of a hollow permanently fuse with it. When a hollow is purified the souls it absorbed are not split up. They are reborn as a single entity.

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I admit, I'm... pretty tired and discouraged about all the various reactions that Akemi has incurred. At this point, I'm really wondering if I should scrap the entire concept and try to forget about it.

Thoughts? Am I taking it all a bit too hard?
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I can almost guarantee you that your character hasn't gotten as much criticism as Righty's. Although, I haven't been on in a few days...
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I can almost guarantee you that your character hasn't gotten as much criticism as Righty's. Although, I haven't been on in a few days...
...And that's relevant...how exactly?
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...And that's relevant...how exactly?
In that I don't think Vael should scrap her idea just yet?
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I seem to recall a similar argument about Kazuma when I first got on.
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Hmm... this weekend I'll be able to finish up the write-up and my character's history (it's kinda long already, but only about half-way finished).
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I admit, I'm... pretty tired and discouraged about all the various reactions that Akemi has incurred. At this point, I'm really wondering if I should scrap the entire concept and try to forget about it.

Thoughts? Am I taking it all a bit too hard?
I think she is an interesting character.

Maybe there are concerns with number of Urahara characters, but I think in IC it will be ok, since we can talk and decide such things at such times.

I think my only concern is the powerful shikai. I think 'Weight of Sin' is powerful enough for her shikai, and if just this, it makes her bankai more special and majestic.

Otherwise, since 'theme' was explained, I think I understand your idea better.

If the shikai suggestion is acceptable (or if you have other thought?), I think it should be okay. Thank you for patience
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Well, I understand where you're coming from, but my concern is that her ability will never be seen, since Bankai basically means... death for her.
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...And that's relevant...how exactly?
Because you and the other people I'm mind-blanking on at the moment werea bunch of souless, brutal, character killers supplying me with strong, but honest criticism and showed me the errors on my character.

Vael, when the people on here started suggesting to take away parts of my character that I really loved, (which in retrospect were completely necessary) I had almost been ready to just drop the character completely. Twice!

I endured a lot of losses in my characters power, but in the end I was fairly satisfied with the result. I would hate to see someone just go and drop his/her character because of too much criticism about it. The result can still be good.
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Well, I understand where you're coming from, but my concern is that her ability will never be seen, since Bankai basically means... death for her.
Let me clarify this.

I don't mind make the cleansing ability rarer and harder to use in some way at all, and if you think that is how it should be done, I'll do it.
But making it her Bankai, as is... well, it means that if I want the character to survive, she can't use her hallmark, entire theme defining ability.

So, you can see how this would give me a bit of a dilemma.
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Let me clarify this.

I don't mind make the cleansing ability rarer and harder to use in some way at all, and if you think that is how it should be done, I'll do it.
But making it her Bankai, as is... well, it means that if I want the character to survive, she can't use her hallmark, entire theme defining ability.

So, you can see how this would give me a bit of a dilemma.
Hmmm...I see. So your bankai is essentially a Last Resort move. I don't think I hold a place to really appropriately question your bankai having not read it yet, but I will say that a suicide-homicide-type bankai while is a pretty unique idea, probably, wouldn't be best for this game.

I'll respond with possible fixes when I read your character.
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It occurs to me, what with the rumblings about starting Reborn regardless of where the Current BleachITP is, that I should maybe try to give everyone a general picture.

So. We're currently in the very final stages of the current "mini-arc", with a couple of "finisher fights" currently ongoing. Hopefully, we can get those done in the next day or two.

At that point, we'll be free to move to the final act. I can't promise an exact time frame on it. I can promise I will do my best (and hopefully others will as well) to resolve that plot in a timely manner, while still letting us tell the end of the story. That said...I doubt we can do this in the space of a single week. Perhaps a couple, quite possibly more. But again, I (and hopefully others) will do my best to keep things running smoothly and briskly over there.
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Let me clarify this.

I don't mind make the cleansing ability rarer and harder to use in some way at all, and if you think that is how it should be done, I'll do it.
But making it her Bankai, as is... well, it means that if I want the character to survive, she can't use her hallmark, entire theme defining ability.

So, you can see how this would give me a bit of a dilemma.
I understand.

If she is 'Exile Shinigami' like Urahara, is she often trying to use her skill? It being sealed, and also trying to be hidden, I thought maybe she would not use it often. =\

Maybe if it is a shikai ability that must be activated also (so not 'always using in shikai' - like 'Weight of Sin' is). With such a change, it can be more exhausting and dangerous to her, but maybe also helps to keep it more rare?
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Your wording is somewhat confusing, but I think your suggestion is to make Cleanse an ability that she has to activate manually (like she does with Weight of Sin), and thus, even if she uses Shikai, she has to expend extra effort to gain any benefits whatsoever from the release.

Is that right?
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Your wording is somewhat confusing, but I think your suggestion is to make Cleanse an ability that she has to activate manually (like she does with Weight of Sin), and thus, even if she uses Shikai, she has to expend extra effort to gain any benefits whatsoever from the release.

Is that right?
I'm sorry for the confusion

I think I tried to say what you explained. But make 'Weight of Sin' the 'normal' shikai power (so she releases and can use it, but must 'expend extra effort to gain any benefits for 'Cleanse')
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Oh, so reverse them from how they are now.

Okay, I'll do that.
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Oh, so reverse them from how they are now.

Okay, I'll do that.
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No problem.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go edit Akemi to get everything that was talked about solidified.

Then I am going to sacrifice a goat in the hopes of appeasing the character devouring blood lust of OOC, while staying a good distance away, somewhere safe. Like within a nuclear bunker in the Himalayas.
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I did just read your character bio Vael.

To be honest, I think Akemi is pretty awesome. I like here shikai powers, her character personality, and the unique case of her losing part of her total spiritual pressure.

I hope you stick to this character.
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No problem.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go edit Akemi to get everything that was talked about solidified.

Then I am going to sacrifice a goat in the hopes of appeasing the character devouring blood lust of OOC, while staying a good distance away, somewhere safe. Like within a nuclear bunker in the Himalayas.
That should buy you some time.
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Ryu Chishuu

Age: 18

Height: 6’

Reiatsu: Dark Green

Weight: 150 lb


Appearance: is rather tall with dark green eye’s, long hair pulled back into a braid and is never seen without his glasses, though they often hang at the edge of his nose. Often seen wearing his school uniform, he makes a point to dress informally in jeans and t-shirts with a simple hoody outside of school. He is an adamant smoker; almost always seem with a cigarette pressed between his lips.


Personality: has always been a giver, though often times to a fault. He easily gets carried away on what he feels is “Right”, and adamantly fights for such ideal’s to the point of exhaustion. This has given him a slight reputation as a delinquent; often times going against his peer’s and elders when he views their opinion’s as wrong.

Back-story: Chishuu always desired a blade, something that could help him defend what he thought needed defending, a weapon that could protect everything he cherished and held dear. An atypical high school boy, Chishuu spent much of his time studying on his own outside of school, participating in club activities only when forced. Chishuu’s family owns a small sake brewing company in town, a business Chishu has no desire to inherit once it is his time to do so. Chishuu had always been able to see vague outlines and shapes of spirits and hollows, at an early age concluding they were simply figments of his imagination. His parents, worried for their son’s eyesight quickly bought him a pair of glasses in hopes to avert any further “damage” to his eyes.

And fate seems to have aided Chishuu in this desire, dropping the power he so desperately sought on his lap in a rather unforeseen way. During a long day of avoiding school, Chishuu happened on a rather wounded Shinigami. Figuring it was a cosplayer who had been struck by a car, he swiftly called the police. When the police arrived, they saw no sign of the cosplayer, and much to the dismay of Chishuu threatened to arrest him before leaving. Enraged and deeply confused, Chishuu attempted to help the Shinigami in any way he could, but to no avail, as the Shinigami quickly passed over, investing the remaining spiritual power he had into Chishuu for his attempted aid. Chishuu returned home, deeply troubled by the day’s events.


But things only became stranger, as a sword mysteriously manifested in his bed over night, a strange beast tearing into his home in an attempt to kill him. After suffering a serious wound by the hands of the Hollow, Chishu’s spirit was removed from his body. Finding himself still quite alive, though oddly chained to some unforeseen space, Chishuu fought with all his might to protect his home and family, vanquishing the beast. His body was rushed to the hospital, luckily saving his life, though his spirit was unable to return to his body. He was quickly found by a rogue Shinigami, and had his Shinigami abilities cemented, and finally being able to return to his body, much to the joy and relief of his parents.


Zanpakuto: 映姫 Hayuki'' – Hayuki appears as a typical wakazashi, it has no outwardly unique characteristics.

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Shikia: Reflect, Hayuki! Hayuki’s shikai is a permanent release, turning the otherwise normal wakizashi into a large hand mirror. The mirror itself is quite well created, made from ebony wood and silver inlay, in all affects a stately masterpiece of construction. It is unusable as a fighting weapon due to its delicate nature.

Reflect and show their true self, Hayuki!: This power allows Chishuu to show an ally their reflection in the mirror, granting them a glimpse of their true self. This power grants the viewer a boost in one attribute they wish they were stronger in, be it hand to hand combat, kido or any other skill they might posses. This effect lasts for a rather long duration, lasting in upwards to twenty minutes.

Reflect Hayuki! And show our true selves!: The other ability of, Hayuki creates a large bubble around Chishuu that has a mirrored surface. After several seconds, it bursts with a loud pop, revealing Chishuu and the spirit of Hayuki, who has manifested near Chishuu himself. This move is a battle of wills between Chishuu and Hayuki, who ever win’s during their time in the bubble becomes “The Royal” and the other becomes the “Samurai”. The Royal appears in stately clothing, with a mirror on their person, the other appearing in traditional samurai armor. The Royal must remain holding the mirror, and can take little action outside of dodging, or break the effect.

Princess and Samurai: In this mode, Chishuu appears dressed in dark red lacquered armor, missing a helmet, his hair allowed to hang free of its normal braid. In this form, Chishuu wields a finely crafted katana, his speed gaining a considerable boost, while his armor increases his ability to withstand blows. Dressed in her robes, Hayuki will probably order Chishuu to do things, like protect others (or herself). Though her tone may be more commanding, she is more graceful and kind-spirited who cares for her samurai.

Samurai and Prince: Chishuu wears the traditional sokutai and high geta, the mirror clutched in his left hand in place of his shaku. In beautiful armor and holding a naginata (in same style as the sword Chishuu would wield), Hayuki is the loyal samurai to her prince. Being more energetic, she carries out Chishuu's commands

映姫 'Hayuki'
Type: Zanpakutou spirit of Ryuu Chishuu

Appearance/Personality:While Chishuu maybe could be said to be a 'giver,' Hayuki is a 'taker.'

She is very willing to speak annoyingly to Chishuu, who is 'inexperienced' and 'unable to use me well!' So often maybe she tries to act like a master (but maybe Chishuu won't be easily fooled). She will be also quite embarrassed and blame Chishuu for the permanent Shikai state of being a mirror. Though she does not mind such a treasureable item, because Chishuu does not value a mirror so much, it annoys her.

'Why must you complain?! It is your fault! I am part of your soul, and you secretly wished for such a tool! Control your desires!'
Such complaint’s force Chishuu to appease his spirit, by either quickly changing the subject, or finding something else to direct her ire towards, often his smoking or delinquent behavior.

Of course she really does share his great passion for 'doing right.' So she berates him for his bad habits, but very much likes his noble side (even if she tries to hide such a feeling). A prince-like and noble master would be her secret desires of Chishuu. Maybe in some ways this is like Chishuu's own desires? She knows his potential maybe better than him, so is disappointed with his failure, but always pushing him to be better.
Coming and going of berating and obeying, she is very much 'tsundere.'



Kasa and I remade the character, let us know what you all think.
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First, the spoiler button is friendly and easy to use.

Second...Let me see if I have the right of it. His shikai (a mirror, which is always released) can either give a moderate boost to one particular area of an ally's abilities...Or gives Chishuu armor and a sword / summons his spirit to fight for him?

Really, that second ability, while interesting, is pretty potent on its own; it also feels like an oddly matched set of abilities. One ability suggests he might be a "buffer/debuffer", while the other is a more traditional "straight combat boost". With, apparently, the "twist" being who's "calling the shots".

Do I have the right of it?
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The theme is actually reflecting what people see themselves as in Shikai, while showing the real self in bankai, at least the latter bit is what Kasa and I have discussed at this point. The other theme with the character (and it over laps with his second power in shikai) is as you've said, which one is really in control and which one is the "Knight"

So, while they do seem somewhat disjointed, they are both tied by the central theme of the weapon.

But other then that, yes you have it correct.

Edit: There's actually alot of theme's and such going on with Chishuu and his zanpakuto, but most of the rest are fairly non-combat specific
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So, are you planning for this character to develop bankai at some point in the story?
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Perhaps? Perhaps not, thats for the story to tell. He also won't be starting out with his shikai either.
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Perhaps? Perhaps not, thats for the story to tell. He also won't be starting out with his shikai either.
You understand, of course, that the question was asked for the purpose of balance and such.

Also, regarding the shikai: Can the "Prince" or "Princess" character do anything beyond order the "Samurai" around? As in, can they still boost allies and so forth? Do they possess anything else, ability wise? As in, could Chisuu still use his non-sword-specific Shinigami abilities?

Edit: And again, spoiler tags are friendly and easy now.

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Anyone with the mirror could boost allies. As for the rest, anything beyond moving and commanding is to much. So no kido etc for Chishuu while he's the prince. Its intended that the Samurai protects who ever is the "Royal".


And the answer is still, I don't know. The intent is yes, he'll be getting bankai.

Edit: And as I've said in the past, I have a hard enough time getting people to review my stuff when its in plain sight. Having to resort to more or less begging and posting the character in upwards to 6-7 times...spoiler's won't do anything but cause more issues. So, while it may be a little selfish, I'd prefer not having people skip the character completly 10 times just because they missed it because it was put in a spoiler.
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Okay, here is Akemi, revised.

The explanation of her Cleanse ability is really long now but essentially the idea is this:

She strikes them with her sword. This activates an internal conflict, which I don't want to describe in detai, since I want each person to take license with it. I picture it being similar to battling with an Inner Hollow (in terms of how it could be represented). They don't necessarily realize that this conflict is occurring or get affected by externally. The conflict begins and ends pretty quickly, and Akemi soon learns whether or not they are willing to repent of sins. If they are, she can absorb the sins with Sin Eater, usually through combat (as it is mostly for use against Hollows). Each time she absorbs their sin she gets a bit of backlash from it and needs to use some spiritual power to absorb it.

(I thought Kasanip's concern was valid, and so I was going to use her idea wholesale... but then I realized that if Akemi DID manage to regain her spiritual power at some point, Cleanse would just become easy for her to obtain. So I made it use spiritual energy and have a standard backlash, so that no matter what, she suffers from using it. Mercy is easier on her, obviously, but it's a Bankai).

Once she has absorbed all their sin, she can fight them normally, and by killing a Hollow with her Zanpakutō, she sends them to Soul Society, as it would normally happen.

If she somehow manages to get a chance to activate this ability without combat, she can essentially execute someone willing with it and send them straight on to Soul Society and absolve their sins in one go. The main idea behind this is that if there is someone willing... slashing them a ton of times won't really be all that hard, and it seems more stylish (and not unbalanced) to have them be able to take it in a single, executing blow.


...jeez, that was supposed to be a summary for someone who would think the normal description is too long, but it doesn't seem a whole lot better. It's just really complex, I guess.

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So, does it all look good now?
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