There was discussion of a reboot for the BleachITP-verse. A new beginning, more structured and with an overall lower power level. Similar deal to Ultimate Marvel.
This thread is for discussing that, to keep it out of the main thread.
A while ago we chose Central 5, a group of five people who work as a governing body for the Soul Society. They are Kasanip, Zarah, Callos_DeTerran, Sucrose and Frozen_Feet. They are tasked with such tasks as deciding Captain promotions and upholding laws of Seireitei. Details can be found below.
In the second last thread people voted and decided that there would not be a Quincy vs Shinigami war before the actual start of the story/roleplay unlike in canon. It was also decided through a vote that Quincy arrows would destroy souls as they do in canon through a vote. People are open to the possibility of future conflicts between the two factions and the Quincy learning how to purify souls with their arrows. Learning how to do so would likely be a significant plot point.
Quincy players have decided that anyone that makes a Quincy should write up a description of their family/clan's history.
Souls that are fully absorbed and become part of a hollow permanently fuse with it. When a hollow is purified the souls it absorbed are not split up. They are reborn as a single entity.
Frozen_Feet's proposed take on this:
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Life Cycle of Hollows.
Canny Hollows: these are beings like Grand Fisher and Shrieker - normal Hollows that stay behind in Mortal World much longer than usual. Why? Either they still have unfinished business... or they were already crooked in life.
My reasoning is as follows: when a good Plus turns into a Hollow, it seeks to destroy its loved ones like any other Hollow. However, the mind of the good souls can't hold together once they're done with that. They lack killer's instinct, and might even feel guilt for breaking what was once dear to them in life. This is why they seek oblivion.
Evil souls, on the other hand, gain much more pleasure from tormenting living beings. Even after they've killed those they had a personal beef with, they stay in Mortal World, because their bestial desires won't let them leave. In a way, they still have something to do that defines them and stops them from losing their inviduality, even if it's only "kill all things":
Menos Grande Gillians: When a soul becomes Hollow, the first thing it does is destroy all things it held dear in mortal life. In most cases, having lost their purpose and consumed by their own loneliness, Hollows wander into Hueco Muendo, where they instinctively seek out other souls who died in the same way. Seeking embrace of sweet oblivion, they engage in cannibalistic orgy and fuse into Menos Grande Gillian. Fusion of souls is permanent; once eaten by a Gillian, a soul cannot be separated again.
Menos Grande Gillian's have no identity, only scattered fragments of negative memories and emotions. When such a Gillian is purified, its soul passes into Soul Society as essentially blank slate. However, due to originally being gestalt of multiple entities, such soul has much vaster Reiryoku than normal and is more likely to fragment into Zanpakuto spirit and Inner Hollow. Thus, a purified Menos Grande Gillian is very likely to become a shinigami.
Adjuchas and Vasto Lordes: As noted, Menos Grande Gillians are gestalt formed from people who died in the same way. Adjuchas happens when the amount of souls reaches a critical mass, causing a new personality to bloom from the fragmented memories. This being is effectively personification of its "cause of death". However, Adjuchas aren't stable, and must keep absorbing other Hollows who died the same way to increase in power. Should they fail to absorb other Hollows, starvation will make them regress, reducing them back to mindless beasts. Once Adjuchas has eaten enough souls, it evolves into a Vasto Lorde. However, this requires that they beat all of their challengers, letting none who manage to eat a bit of them to get away.
So, why can't Adjuchas who gets a bit of itself eaten become a Vasto Lorde? It's because losing to another Hollow means there's another being with same Aspect of Death who is more powerful. A Vasto Lorde is a Menos who has absorbed or proven itself to be stronger than all other Hollows with the same aspect of death. They are, effectively, anthropomorphic personifications of their Aspect of Death, and rule supreme over lost souls who died that way. As long as they remain undefeated, they are stable; if a Vasto Lorde does lose, it begins to regress like Adjuchas until it can destroy the Hollow that defeated it.
Arrancars: A Hollow can become an Arrancar in any point of its life, as long as it has a personality at the time. An Arrancar is a Hollow who learns to define itself by way other than its Aspect of Death, thus rising above its bestial instincts.
All Arrancars are stable. While an Arrancar can keep eating souls to increase in power, it no longer fuses new souls with the core of its person - the nommed soul only loses its reiryoku. A soul eaten by Arrancar is usually reborn as a new Hollow. In any case, eating Pluses or other Hollows is pretty much voluntary for an Arrancar - they mostly do so because there is no other food in Hueco Muendo. Because of this, Arrancars can't be held as inherently worse than humans or Shinigami.
Menos and Purification: Shinigami who don't remember their lives were Menos who got purified. As the identity of a Menos is effectively a new entity and is only born after death, Konso unfortunately wipes that all away. For purposes of Redemption, a soul which has gone through Oblivion of the Gillian phase is exempt from Hell's punishment. They become Shinigami because of huge amount of Reiryoku they accumulated as a Hollow.
Resurreccion and Segunda Etapa: Resurreccion is an Arrancars ability to retake its form as a Hollow, and consequently as the manifestation of its aspect. The power of an Arrancars resurreccion is in part directly proportional to how much the Arrancar's behaviour reflects its Aspect.
While achieving Segunda Etapa is only typical for Vasto Lordes who already rule over their Aspect, theoretically any Arrancar can achieve it through meticulous training and self realization.
People that want to make captain entries should write up a history for their preferred division including duties, a past captain or two and whatever else you might think important to add. It can be significantly different from canon.
Strawberryman would like input on how to revise his S.W.O.R.D. faction:
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Anyway. In light of some recent changes to our world, it occurs to me I also need to update S.W.O.R.D's writeup. Just so we don't have more clashes;
I'd like people's feedback/input on the new writeup for S.W.O.R.D.
Originally Posted by Zarah
We need a clearly directed plot in order to keep things trucking along without getting stalled, and I had a thought of a way to help accomplish that. Basically, we come up with some central themes for this game. This isn't a revolutionary idea, and some people were already doing just that in the previous game, but I'm saying we all come up with and agree on two or three major themes for this story. Ones that will continue to appear again and again across many of the plotlines throughout the entire game. It'll help direct the plot and could potentially give some good ideas for other characters. Not to mention, it'll give much more of a satisfying payoff in the end once the themes are fully realized.
Whatever they are, they should be fairly general, so they can be adapted to as many of the plots that we have going. Of course, we can expand to include as many motifs and themes as we want in our own stories, but if we have a set of continuous themes to draw from, then it'll really help make things much more connected. Even more coherent.
Obviously, the one I'm gunning for with Kujo is "Law vs. Chaos," and Bleach in of itself has tons of themes we can pick from. "Inner Conflict" is a big one, for example. But hey, I'm open to other suggestions. Any thoughts?
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I think "Law vs. Chaos" is good.
I'd like to play off of strawberryman's suggested faction, as well as off of what we've seen in our current game, and suggest something dealing with the question: How far do you go to accomplish something? Do you do evil in the name of a greater good? (Sorry. I couldn't help myself.) Or do you make sure to never compromise your principles, large and small, no matter the cost?
Not sure how to compress that into a pithy phrase, but there we go.
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The following came about in a discussion about the nature of various Shinigami and Arrancar hybrids and such.
The Hougyoku is a substance used to perfect the hybridization of hollow and shinigami. It might have been created, or not. If it has, the creators were most likely vanquished by the powers of the Seireitei and Las Noches, who then sealed the thing off into some forsaken spot of some forsaken demiplane, with only the Ghost King and the Commander General being aware of its location. Both factions had problems with mad or power-hungry Artificial Arrancar and Stable Vizards, deciding that it better to forget the thing.
Shinigami Hybrids:
Unstable Vizard
An unstable vizard is a shinigami who, through some sort of accident or other means, has gained minor hollow powers.
An unstable vizard has access to a personal hollow mask, but does not have any unique powers and his hollowfication never progresses sufficiently to make a resurreccion or segunda etapa possible, and the unstable vizard gains access only to cero and garganta.
Becoming an Unstable Vizard is dangerous and hardly ever intentional, as the name implies, most accidents that would result in an unstable vizard result in a dead shinigami or a hollow, instead. Unstable Vizards must fight off their inner hollow and hollowifcation fully, to prevent the being from overcoming them utterly, but this is a fight that never truly ends.
Stable Vizard
A stable vizard has been created through use of the hougyoku. They do not have to fight off the hollowfication or an inner hollow, which is melded into their person completely.
A stable vizard has access to all hollow powers (cero, bala, sonido, garganta and hierro), and their masks might grant them a unique power, they also have the power to achieve resurreccion and even segunda etapa.
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Hollow Hybrids
Natural Arrancar
Natural arrancar are hollows who arrancarised themselves, or with the help of other hollows who know how to speed up the process. The arrancar gains an arrancar zanpakutou, which has no spirit, and is merely most of the arrancar's unique powers sealed into sword shape.
Natural arrancar have access to resurreccion and may develop segunda etapa. But do not have access to shinigami abilities.
Artificial Arrancar
Artificial arrancar are created through the Hougyoku. They have the potential to sunder off one of the souls that forms their colective and form it into a second zanpakutou capable of granting shikai and even bankai. Artificial arrancar have the potential to learn shinigami techniques such as Hoho, Kido and Hakuda.
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Mortal/Hollow Hybrids
Living Vizard
A Living Vizard is a mortal with a hollow mask, the mask comes with an innate, unique power, and when on, it gives the normal boosts and hollow abilities. Living Vizards can, eventualy, achieve resurreccion. A vizard mask cannot ever be lost, and if broken it can be resummoned almost instantly.
Living Arrancar
A living arrancar gains an arrancar zanpakuto (no spirit), hollow abilities (sonido, cero, hierro, bala) and the power of resurreccion. Resurreccion relies on the zanpakuto, which, unlike the vizard mask, can be broken (in which case it needs awhile to regrow).
Hollowing
A hollowing is a mortal who gains the power to turn some body part into a hollow-like version with greater strenght, speed and resilience. The powers in this hollowlike limb can be bolstered through training, but only up to a limit. As this limit is reached the hollowing must, in order to increase her powers, absorb hollow reishi, either form the atmosphere of hueco mundo or through the cannibalization of hollows, which allows even more of the Hollowing's body to turn into hollow-like parts.
The powers of the hollowing come at a risk, for, when enough of the hollowing's body becomes hollowlike, he risks becoming trapped into the monstrous shape.
Shinigami/ Mortal Hybrids:
Substitute Shinigami
This should be pretty basic and obvious.
Living Shinigami
Living shinigami are mortals with access to a shinigami zanpakutou while still in their mortal bodies.
Sereitei
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Also, I'm reposting my Central 46 idea, since it got lost two OOC threads ago, and it's far more relevant here. So once again:
Anyway, we've been going on about all of this and that in the Bleach universe, but I came to the realization that we completely forgot about a little group of people hiding away in Soul Society: The Central 46. Probably because in both canon and our game, they've done next to nothing other than... Well, die. However, I felt that if we were going to go with a new setting, why not actually make them practical?
Here's what I suggest: We nominate three or four trusted players to act as the Central 46. Any of these people can post as the entire body, and essentially act as an administrative organization both in and out of character. You might think that doesn't make sense, but in actuality, the duties would cross-over a lot more than you might imagine. For example, say a player wants his character to be promoted to a captain at some point in the RPG. The Central 46 would be the ones who analyze the situation and make a decision, but they'd have to look closely at both the character and the player to see if they're ready for the responsibilities. As another example, imagine that a group of rogue Shinigami appear in the mortal world and start causing trouble. The 46 would decide whether or not Soul Society goes to war with them, and thus whether or not any of the more powerful characters get involved in the plot. Think of them like a set of unofficial moderators for the RPG, who keep things in check both ICly and OOCly.
I think it could also add a whole new layer of role-playing opportunities. Let's say a group of low-powered academy students are training in the mortal world when one classmate decides to do something reckless and ends up getting them into dire straits. They make it back to Soul Society alive and in one piece, but now they have to answer to the Central 46 and explain their actions. Having actual players behind the council instead of just mindless NPCs (or corpses) makes it a bit of a nagging threat in the back of people's minds, and could even indirectly prevent players from going overboard. Since I know that if I were sitting on the council, I would not be a gracious host.
EDIT: I forgot to mention. I wanted to do something with the central 46 that wasn't "kill them all," and this seems like a pretty practical application of them.
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Originally Posted by Shades of Gray + Frozen_Feet
Gotei divisions and their tasks:
1) Administrative.
2) Ninjas.
3) Execution?
4) Healing+Hospitality.
5) Messengers.
6) Reinforcements.
7) Logistics.
8) Tactical planning
9) Recon.
10) Internal Police.
11) Fight.
12) Science.
13) Patrol.
Hollow, Arrancar and Las Noches
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Originally Posted by Draken
Now, on to other matters, we need to decide how a few things work. For instance, the menos fusion. When first someone asked what happened to the souls that form a menos, we decided, back then, to have it so that they remain separate (which means when the menos is destroyed all souls are released). But I think it is best if (save exceptions) we have it so that they all permanently fuse.
This has two benefits:
1. It adds a depth of moral doubt to the destruction of an arrancar. They aren't mindless monsters like hollows, they can be argued with, and destroying them won't fre thousands of innocent souls. Just erase their memories.
2. It creates a good "soul number check". We assume that, along with the reincarnations, new souls are, indeed, created. But then... There are only means to increase the number of souls in place. None to reduce them (save awful, vile acts and stuff). The menos "singularity of souls" would be a decent means of keeping the soul population under control.
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On Las Noches, I was thinking of this organization:
The King of Hollows: The King of Hollows, duh.
The Espada: Captain/Nobility Equivalents.
Fraccion: The liutenants, officers and close persons to the Espada.
Numeros: The soldiers of Las Noches.
Rest: The rest.
I perceive Las Noches as a city in Hueco Mundo, a city governed by arrancar and open to shinigami, mortal and hollow alike. A city where all beneath the artificial sun is under scrutiny of the law enforcement of the city, but where the shady alleys are hive to scum of the worst sort, criminals, traitors, traficants. A place where the Commander General and the Big Bad can look face to face and not be expected to try to kill each other on the risk of losing free access to this (mostly) safe haven.
The idea here isn't that arrancar and hollows are friendly.
The idea is that one vasto lorde decided to open his domain to other spiritual beings. Mainly because rational menos actually have very little reason to fight shinigami except spite, this is because your average menos won't ever leave Hueco Mundo unless goaded out by some other force. Menos have no interest in plus or living souls, they eat other hollows.
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1. I will be assigning the Espada, most likely.
2. I will also, probably, not keep the numbers strongly tied to the power of each character.
3. The Ghost King will not be the primera.
4. My main arrancar character (King's gonna stay in the background) will be the Queen of Hollows, and she will not be an espada either. I will keep those positions for other players.
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About Aspects of Death: it's established that once a Hollow has destroyed things that were dear to it, they wander into Hueco Muendo and seek out other Hollows to ease their pain / to forget about their lives. I propose they instinctively seek out others who died in the same way, and thus their suffering condenses into their Aspect. Arrancars gain power when the ascended personality realizes this and works around / with it.
Fae
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Okay, I think I now have enough to bring this for discussion.
The Fae
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The State of the Afterlife of the British Isles
Britain’s afterlife is stable – just. Long periods of internal strife between the psychopomps of Britain, known to themselves as the mac Lir or fab Lly^r, and to others as the Fae, left ample time for Hollows to develop and grow. Now, Britain faces a deep-rooted infestation of well-hidden Menos, but the Houses of the British Isles are united in their desire to rid the islands of these threats.
Annwn – the Afterlife
The British afterlife is called Annwn, a place that reflects the most untouched corners of the British Isles in its geography. The four courts of monarchs are located in a roughly central location within a few hours journey of each other by normal walking speed. Passage between Annwn and the mortal world is achieved by passing through thick banks of mist that function as the Fae equivalent of Senkaimon. The mac Lir make use of ravens, rather than butterflies, to guide them through the misty realm between Annwn and the mortal world.
The Organisation of the Fae
The British Isles are ruled by four monarchs – one each for Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales. Each of these monarchs governs passage of souls into Annwn in the country they are tied to. They each possess three Houses under their command, each ruled by a Tiarna or Pennaeth, individuals equal to the captains of Soul Society. A Tiarna or Pennaeth is directly supported by their Dara or Ail, equivalents to the Japanese Vice-Captains. The rest of the House is made up of thirteen mionn cheangal or lw rhwymo, equivalents to seated officers, plus any other Fae who are members of the House but deemed unworthy of the distinction of the upper ranks. The specialisations of each House vary depending on the current Tiarna or Pennaeth, but it is very rare for their not to be at least one House dedicated to combat in each country at any given time. The ranks of the Houses are held for life, unless the bearer of a rank forfeits it. A House member is usually given a title and land in Annwn upon forfeiting a rank. These titles are hereditary, and their bearers and their family often become the British equivalent of the Noble Houses of Soul Society.
Every year, a randomly selected twenty members of each House are chosen to leave Annwn and go out into the mortal world and deal with Hollows as they see fit. Fae on such leave from their House are known as Fianna, and are exempt from all laws of their lords until the end of their sojourn and return to Annwn.
Each monarch also rules a small Royal House. Tiarna or Pennaeth who truly distinguish themselves are promoted to this rank to serve as the monarch’s guardians and personal champions.
Alongside the House structure exists the Aois-dŕna, a loose affiliation of bards and druids that serve as advisors to the lords of the Houses, historians, genealogists, legal specialists, and experts in Ealaín, the British form of kido.
Capabilities of the Fae
All abilities the Fae possess are mirrors of the abilities of shinigami. They can walk on air like their Japanese counterparts, and focus their training on Scileanna Laochra (Zanjutsu), Ystwythder (Hoho), Gan a Arm (Hakudo) and Ealaín (Kido).
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A Note on Language
Whilst most of the terminology for the Fae is based on Celtic languages, some, particularly the specifics and names of Ealaín, were brought to Britain from elsewhere. These use Ancient Sumerian.
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In addition, every Fae possesses a Treoir Anam, their equivalent of a zanpakutou. These possess the potential for a Rhyddhau (shikai) and a Nerthol Rhyddhau (bankai) as a zanpakutou does. The only notable difference between a Treoir Anam and a zanpakutou is that the former are quite likely to take a shape other than a sword even when sealed, spears and axes in particular being quite common, and no small number of Aois-dŕna druids possessing sickles.
Ealaín
The mystic arts of Britain function identically to kido, the spells of a given path and number function the same as their foreign counterpart.
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Silakus: “Way of Destruction”
1, Taka (Push)
4, Sagir (Pale Lightning Flash): Balor! Unlid the third eye that graces your brow, and let forth the spite of clouds!
11, Nuhuš Gír (Tamed Lightning)
31, Urinti (Blood Arrow): Balor! Unlid the third eye that graces your brow, and let forth the tide of chaos!
33, Nissati (Blue Arrow): Balor! Unlid the third eye that graces your brow, and let the west crash forth!
54, Su-luh Izi (Cleansing Flames): Balor! Unlid the third eye that graces your brow, and empower me to remove impurity from your sight!
58, Imiuru (Windstorm)
63, Anurimiriu (Threefold Storm Roar)
73, Erim Nissati (Host of Blue Arrows): Balor! Unlid the third eye that graces your brow, drown out the sun, and call forth the sundering west winds!
88, Aralimiriutil (Apocalyptic Threefold Netherworld Storm)
90, Gitil (Black Ending)
96, Ašgir Mŕnu (Single Sword Immolation)
Girserusu: “Path of Shielding Arts”
1, Šaga (Captive)
4, Sigulul (Golden Chain)
8, Tamšen (Reflecting Mirror)
9, Eda (Paralysis): Balor! Lid your third eye, call up the hounds of Annwn, and grace us with the living death!
21, Urinimi (Blood Cloud)
26, Zah Bu (Hiding Light): Balor! Lid your third eye, turn your gaze away, and put the sun in their eyes!
30, Ešhu Ulul (Three-Bird Restraint)
37, Ulgu (Star Net)
39, Senbu (Shielding Light): Balor! Lid your third eye, turn your gaze to me, and guard me with thine wrath!
58, Igisar Lasar (Seeing the World, Knowing All): Balor! Lid your third eye, extend your sight forth, whisper in my ear, and let me see thine sight! The sun and moon are my eyes, the trembling ground my ear!
61, Asni E-kurbu (Six-Body Prison of Light): Balor! Lid your third eye, gift the sun unto to me, and let its halo trap them!
62, Űšukur (Hundred Spear Fence)
63, Gisigulul (Locking Golden Chain)
73, Išibalsig (Rotated Mountain Wall)
75, Aš Barzilba-an (Five Adamant Pillars)
77, Kadigir (Mouth of the Gods): Balor! Lid your third eye, and gift me with your voice! The clouds are as my mouth, and the skies are as my lungs!
81, Barů-la (Splitting Nothingness)
Geasa
Unlike shinigami, the Fae bear an additional restraint upon their power: geasa (sing. geis). These are taboos for the Fae in question that they must not commit, or lose access to spiritual power or suffer some other misfortune. Anyone can bring a geasa on a Fae, though the Fae in question must willingly accept it. Treoir Anam spirits often require their wielder to agree to a geis before granting Rhyddhau or Nerthol Rhyddhau. They also pay a part in Fae society, geasa often being included in oaths to one’s lord or in marriage vows.
Samsara
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Originally Posted by Innis Cabal View Post
As far as the plot is concerned. Here is my contribution, or at least, hopefully. The Samsara plot, and reasoning for their dark activity.
As much as I personally loathe the name of our new city, I figured it could be incorporated into the plot. With a little brain storming with Callos, and a look at the set up of the new game, I’ve noticed there are –a lot- of spiritually aware children. This led to me thinking –why- that might be the case. Its not a normal occurrence. So, here me out.
Phoenix Town () is a center of reincarnation, both out going and inbound to the spiritual world. This inundates the area with spirit particles, thus leading to the relatively high number of the spiritually aware. The Samsara’s main plot in the first game, and the carry over here, is to rebalance the passage of souls, destroying the Valley of Screams, and removing the Blanks from the Cycle of Reincarnation. Thus fixing the balance of the spiritual world. To do this, their plot is to flood the city with Blanks, and over time detonate them once a certain number of highly aware mortal souls are collected. This puts them in direct conflict with the mortal characters for several reasons.
1. The humans –are- those souls, thus making them prime targets for the Samsara to go after.
2. This will blow up the city, killing off the whole area. That’s bad for those living inside the city, with family and friends. Making this a plot that –all- mortal characters can get involved in early on.
Well, that’s my idea for the Samsara plot. Innis tested, Callos Approved. Now, to the playground, think it’ll work?
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The Samsara
Leadership: “The Boss”
Second in Command: Go Nagi
Mortal World Relations:
Primary Grunt Force: Blanks (Augmented Blanks)
Physical Location: The Valley of Screams
Overview: The Cycle of Reincarnation is not a simple or perfect thing. Souls traveling between the worlds sometimes fragment, their memories fading into some unknown location, the soul falling into a realm that should never exist. These are the blanks, souls without memories, lost forever from the Cycle of Reincarnation, unable to return for they cannot remember how. It is unknown how, but when a number of these memory less shells accumulate, a separate realm, the Valley of Screams, is created to house them. This real, lies between Soul Society and the Mortal World. But the memories of these creatures are not destroyed or lost forever. The swirling mass of memories and experience’s coalesces into an object known as the Memory Rosary, the accumulation of all memories lost between Reincarnation and the journey there in.
The Samsara
The Samsara are akin to Arrancar in that they are an artificial creation, Blanks granted the copies of memories from the Rosary itself. The likeness between themselves, Shimigami, and Arrancar end at this small analogy, not truly meant to exist the Samsara are the thinking force behind the Valley of Screams, the heralds of those cast out by an imperfect system.
Standard Powers of the Samsara
Blank Manipulation: Every member of the Samsara is capable of utilizing Blanks for various purposes. They may duplicate Kido (if their memories contain such information), create weapons or simple items, duplicate flashstep or sonido (again based purely on their memories), or fly. Samsara may also heal with the power of the Blanks, capable of restoring even lost limbs if given proper time and concentration.
Individual Powers
The powers of a Samsara depends entirely on his or her memories, granting each a highly individualized level of capabilities and powers.
What this is, is a simple dolling up of what seems to be the first Villian team of the Reborn game. We're looking for member's currently. So, if anyone's interested, roll a character up and lets see where it goes
Mortals
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...Okay, well, I assume because there was little reaction it would help if I actually explained what the faction I was planning is.
It's more or less like the Men In Black... It's a multi-national secret organization that deploys agents to clean up after the various mishaps that Soul Reapers can't. As such, the various Soul Reaper organizations usually leave them well enough alone.
...That's their cover op, though. What they are really trying to do is make Mortals able to fend for themselves, and be self-sufficient on the matters of the spiritual. Which meshed pretty well with Ran's goal during the last cycle... but, that's an aside. They track and recruit various spiritual humans: Quincies (in fact that may possibly be a large base of their agents), Living Vizards, various anomalies, just plain spiritually aware humans, or maybe even Bount.
...As for why they may be considered villainous or antagonistic to the Enclave is their willingness to do literally anything to achieve their ends; assassinations, theft... etc. And it's likely that the various runes they possess will be like their Holy Grail. For reasons I don't feel like fully explaining, I would like to keep some secrets.
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Well, I was under the assumption that Phoenix Town was going to be another spiritual hot spot, which explains why so many mortals are developing their own powers. Of course, the introduction of outside forces will help as a catalyst, but it's mostly just the fact of where the people live more than anything. The same abundance of spiritual power in the city would also explain why there might be various factions vying for power in the region even from the beginning.
Also, about the idea of the cold war turning hot, I like that plan. I like it a lot. It fits perfectly with Kujo's intentions, and is more or less what I was planning to work toward anyway, so I'm giving it a hearty thumbs up.
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Originally Posted by Innis Cabal View Post
Well, here is what I was thinking for the over all "History". Its diluted yes, and I'll extrapolate more on it when I can sit down and really pound it out.
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The Quincy Bloodlines, as they were, are connected to the ancient Ninja Clans of the Sengoku Jidai, now far removed and interbred with the general populace of Japan, the Quincy themselves would retain lasting familial alliances, hatreds and pacts with other blood lines
Translators: Word Reference is a pretty good one for English to Spanish. Just don't translate phrases with it.
__________________ "It's the fate of all things under the sky,
to grow old and wither and die."
Yes, we are burning through OOCs faster than should be allowed. I find it worrying that NarutoITP has less OOC threads despite having multiple IC and Epsiode threads. >_>
So, what about tying those background posts to one "Turn Back the Pendulum" thread, taking place or starting from 200 years ago?
Also, what emotion does F_F smiley represent?
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Hmmm... except that the event I was discussing with tgva didn't take place 200 years ago.
It took place 10 years ago.
These are, specifically, episodes to give some RPing opportunity to the people who want to RP their characters before the game proper starts, partially so they can work out how their characters actually... well, work.
Also, what Innis said. Natsuko would be born in a 200 years ago thread.
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And so it was that Zaeed, Aang, Winry, Ezio, Sadoko and Snow White all set out on their epic journey to destroy The Empire.
Hmmm... maybe make the longer events their own episodes, but have one central flashback thread for shorter scenes and stand-alone posts telling tidbits of character stories?
Maybe with a rule that each post must happen chronologically after the last, and timeskips of dozen of years are allowed? To avoid confusion, each scene would have a date tag and THE END sign.
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Eh, yes. It would be "five minutes of life" kinda deal, telling random snippets from along the years. I think such a rule would keep the thread rolling onwards without stagnating, and it would also end definitely as well.
It's just one potential idea. Think of it as a creative writing exercise. ^_^ I take it you feel such rules would be too restrictive?
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Why not have one prologue for each set of characters involved? Such as Natsuko and her husband's entire story you want to play out, and have it go much like the normal threads? where people come in as needed? We could also have one for each faction, like soul society and the arrancar and such?
Why not have one prologue for each set of characters involved? Such as Natsuko and her husband's entire story you want to play out, and have it go much like the normal threads? where people come in as needed? We could also have one for each faction, like soul society and the arrancar and such?
Well, what I'm thinking is have one prologue 'thread' for each event. So, the marriage would be a thread.
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And so it was that Zaeed, Aang, Winry, Ezio, Sadoko and Snow White all set out on their epic journey to destroy The Empire.
Eh, I don't think we should spread out the flashbacks between too many episodes. For example, the date and the wedding are thematically linked, and could easily fit within one thread, with one in-thread time skip. That way the story would stay more contained and be easier to read through later on as well.
I also feel many flashback events wouldn't take more than few posts to resolve - not enough to really warrant a thread of their own. So one thread with multiple shorter scenes would be better.
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Eh, I don't think we should spread out the flashbacks between too many episodes. For example, the date and the wedding are thematically linked, and could easily fit within one thread, with one in-thread time skip. That way the story would stay more contained and be easier to read through later on as well.
I also feel many flashback events wouldn't take more than few posts to resolve - not enough to really warrant a thread of their own. So one thread with multiple shorter scenes would be better.
That's what I was saying, although having the same thread for each faction might not work, so we could have like one for Las Noches and one for the seretei and one in the mortal world. (With a seperate thread for the wedding and engagement and such.)
What about three general flashback threads, with Hueco Muendo and Soul Society threads taking place a bit further in the past, and Mortal World one being more recent? Plus the odd episode, of course.
Would players in 12th, 11th, 10th and maybe 13th be interested in playing out the Hollow attack that triggered Hannibal's hollowfication, and subsequent aftermath?
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I bet everyone's going to hate me for this, but tough cookies.
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Yes, that particular relationship must be there. It's not for "shock value". It's not for the audience. I wanted to write that, and I have full right to do so. I am sorry if it still makes people uncomfortable, but remember what I've agreed to change (details only), and keep in mind that it's just a backstory that no one knows. It will likely never come up in the game.
There seems to be literally no reason it couldn't be "close family friend", "family trainer", or something like that. Literally no reason. Except something like "shock value". I also doubt you're actually sorry, because you're still doing it.
It does matter, because it's part of the collective content. That's something I, as a player and contributor to this content, have a right to speak up on. Just as much as anything else in this RP. Whether anyone else speaks up is their decision, but don't tell me not to speak up in the first place.
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Please stop trying to convince me to change it.
No.
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I'm firmly in place about my beliefs on this backstory's credibility.
The fact that you're needlessly inserting the artificial "drama" of an incest angle (adopted or no) makes me wonder about this.
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If you want me to change it simply because you don't like the usage of what YOU may call "incest", then sorry, I won't. It's fiction, not fact, and it does not affect anyone directly IC, and that's all that matters.
No it's not all that matters. As I said. This story is part of the greater whole of the content we're all posting. I've objected to other items in the past, and I'm objecting to this. So it does matter, at least to me.
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OOC, it affects you only as much as you want it to. I don't feel like being forced out of enjoying myself just because there's a difference of opinions, so please understand my stance.
Are you trying to understand my stance at all? Or just brushing off my concerns by saying "it's OOC fiction". I don't see how the racy little inclusion of adopted incest makes it so much more enjoyable than it being a family trainer.
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...I guarantee that if I made a racist character, they wouldn't get half the flack.
It would depend on the implementation of said "racist character", but good job making this "less noticeable" via small text. Shows that you're really trying not to stir up trouble, yes sir.
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EDIT: Keep my past words in mind, please. I have no intention of writing raunchy material.
I consider this still somewhat raunchy, so I guess you failed in that intention.
Of course, I'm sure almost everyone else will just shout me down and say it "doesn't matter" and so on. That's their right. Just like it's my right to protest even this revised version.
I think doing something prologue-y would be interesting, though they'd have to be specific scenes. I wouldn't want to do some scenes until later, but the wedding, for example, would be great for everyone because theoretically any Shinigami could have been invited (except those not in Soul Society and/or in jail).
On differently timed threads, the problem with that is that if one thread slows down, it's gonna be a really long ways behind the other ones. While we can time-skip ahead, I think figuring out the timing of things would get confusing at some point.
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Would players in 12th, 11th, 10th and maybe 13th be interested in playing out the Hollow attack that triggered Hannibal's hollowfication, and subsequent aftermath?
If we do this, would you be opposed to having a small opening scene in which Taiki enters and starts talking with Hannibal about his past, which prompts the flashback?
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I think doing something prologue-y would be interesting, though they'd have to be specific scenes. I wouldn't want to do some scenes until later, but the wedding, for example, would be great for everyone because theoretically any Shinigami could have been invited (except those not in Soul Society and/or in jail).
On differently timed threads, the problem with that is that if one thread slows down, it's gonna be a really long ways behind the other ones. While we can time-skip ahead, I think figuring out the timing of things would get confusing at some point.
If we do this, would you be opposed to having a small opening scene in which Taiki enters and starts talking with Hannibal about his past, which prompts the flashback?
Each thread being self contained and ending about the same time would make this less difficult, because at this point most people won't be crossing over to other worlds, will they? If we have them self contained and having a semi-set date to end, it will work, though it might be slightly difficult. Would we have a thread for the Samsara as well? Anyway, we still need the positions set before we can really start, as has been brought up.
@KD, I personally see little problem with Boo's story, but you have your opinion as I have mine, and both are valid in my eyes. Having a personal trainer may not work, but Maybe having a forbidden fling with an officer in the seretei might? Depending on how relationships are viewed there. (Boo could easily make the relationship homosexual, which would bring up alot of other topics, but will solve the incestuous part. If Boo were willing to do it that way, I'm sure no one would have a problem with it.)
The fact that you're needlessly inserting the artificial "drama" of an incest angle (adopted or no) makes me wonder about this.
Why do you consider it needless and artificial? If Boo's goal is to make a dark and heavy-hearted character, it would be much more jarring if Michiko's past was all happiness and sunshine.
Having a troubled past is, very likely, fundamental to Michiko as a character. Why is, then, the scenario presented needless? Or, put another way: why would any other scenario be any better? If uneasy feelings between adopted siblings were switched to a dead little sister or man-slaughter of Michiko's family, would you be more approving? o_O
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It would depend on the implementation of said "racist character", but good job making this "less noticeable" via small text. Shows that you're really trying not to stir up trouble, yes sir.
Whether or not Boo made his comment in good spirit, he does have a point. Your own reply also begs a question: could the offending plot element be implemented in manner that would not offend you? If so, what in Boo's delivery leaves a bad taste in your mouth?
This a bit like how Tacky said he could never perceive Akemi, the exile who can save souls from hell, in a sympathetic light. I simply can't see what in the backstory of Michiko is so contradictory that it breaks the character for you.
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I consider this still somewhat raunchy, so I guess you failed in that intention.
I don't think it's fair to judge from a list of notes, because I think the presented plot can be written so that the offending elements won't jump on your nose. Lets wait and see till he actually writes it out.
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Off topic, but... @ Frozen, the link to the discussion needs to be changed in your sig. On a related note, how do you change the name of a link like that?
If we do this, would you be opposed to having a small opening scene in which Taiki enters and starts talking with Hannibal about his past, which prompts the flashback?
That'd be perfect.
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Perhaps KnightDisciple and Boo can discuss in PM to find a solution to the problems?
I do not mind if discussion continues in the OOC, as long as thoughts and opinions can offer alternative ideas and solutions... But it seems this issue is one of "No, change" and "No, not change" and such a 'loop' will not be happy for anyone. Since disagreement seems to be just one person, PM seems to be a better way.
Off topic, but... @ Frozen, the link to the discussion needs to be changed in your sig. On a related note, how do you change the name of a link like that?
Instead of using the code:
[url]*LINK GOES HERE*[/url]
You use:
[url=*LINK GOES HERE*]*WHAT YOU WANT LINK TO SAY GOES HERE*[/url]
I really don't see the necessity of the specific "he's her adopted brother" angle.
Like I said, he could be the family's personal trainer. The family could have strict "breeding" rules that wouldn't permit her and her trainer to have a relationship. Her father finds out, and in a rage, kicks her out on the street. Maybe the trainer sneaks her a sword as a parting gift.
Or maybe she meets a boy from a rival noble family in passing, and they develop a spark. Then there's shame on 2 families, and it's more likely the boy isn't just killed (and is likely left as he is after some sort of lesser punishment).
That is, off the top of my head, 2 ways to preserve the "forbidden love" angle without resorting to some level of incest.
Keep in mind that, in a place like Soul Society, adoption is likely more common than in the real world. Not only that, it's likely seen as more binding as well. No small part of the growth of noble families likely comes from careful adoptions, just as much as it comes from careful breeding. So, there's an even stronger elemental connection, just in the society itself. This is putting aside my personal distaste for this particular story element.
Keep in mind that, in a place like Soul Society, adoption is likely more common than in the real world. Not only that, it's likely seen as more binding as well. No small part of the growth of noble families likely comes from careful adoptions, just as much as it comes from careful breeding. So, there's an even stronger elemental connection, just in the society itself. This is putting aside my personal distaste for this particular story element.
I agree with you that adoption would likely be seen as more binding... but why would that necessarily put more emphasis on love between adopted siblings being "incestous"?
I'm mainly bringing this up because Boo mentioned increasing Michiko's age at the point of adoption. In some feudal societies, families or clans took new people under their wings for the explicit purpose of raising new possible brides or grooms for existing family members. In a way, it was more like, eh, "delayed marriage" than adoption, but the point stands: there are different ways for noble families to emphasis unity than stressing a "sibling-like" relation between adopted members.
And that's before we get to the fact that many noble families were inbred for the purpose of keeping wealth within a family.
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I am sorry if it still makes people uncomfortable, but remember what I've agreed to change (details only), and keep in mind that it's just a backstory that no one knows. It will likely never come up in the game.
