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Bah, Green Star Adept. It looks like we have enough judges already, so I'll compete this go around. No promises though, I've never liked this PrC very much.
EDIT: Forget it. There is an example within the very text of the ability that disallows it. I believe PrivatePrinny catched onto this before me. Can't believe no one ever mentioned this on the CharOp board back in the day... Probably because of the RAWxRAI debate always going on there, but the RAI is so clear here with even an example to go with that RAW is completly irrelevant.
I did catch that before I posted my response, and since text>all except errata, I made the choice that I did, with it being RAW and all.
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Speaking of being leery, call my 'once bitten, twice shy' for asking: Are there any specific books that, while legal, are likely to cause any of our illustrious judges to downgrade our scores?
Dragon Compendium springs to mind, as well as the more broken things in Savage Species. I also wouldn't blame them for marking down mixing campaign settings i.e. FR and Eberron material in the same build.
I'll be a contestant on this one. I've got two different ideas for this build, both entirely legal, both rather interesting and useful. One is slightly more complicated than the other, but judging the previous competition showed me something about 1/2 casting progression classes that is... interesting.
also interesting to note, if you don't wish to become a construct, loose all your Con score, and all associated issues with the final level, there is a simple solution: Starmetal Dependency. You simply decline to undergo the final ritual, and you don't get the special abilities of the final level, although you still get BAB/Saves/HP/etc...
However, what this will do to both your elegance and Use of Secret Ingredient scores is on your head.
Why is it that I keep getting cool ideas that won't work mechanically? Renegade Mastermaker will not work with GSA, certainly not without becoming the focus of the build!
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You know, I think gods are the exception to the rule that "I built you a shrine" is creepy.
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I maintain that until I see a movie trailer where Patrick Stewart introduces himself as Mordenkainen, there never was and never will be a D&D movie.
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The only person in the past two pages who has known what (s)he has been talking about is Heliomance.
I'm back as a competitor having missed the last Iron Chef being busy with exams.
Will be interesting considering I like to play beat-sticks or gishes, so this could be down my alley... Though I do agree, is a terrible class. Ah well, got some possibly ideas up my sleeve which might work...
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Just got the first submission in. I honestly expected another couple of days before that happened.
All your fault: you've announced it too much in advance (it wouldn't be such a big deal, it is just for kidding).
To all the others. Try not to ask too much and not cooperate too much. With all the chit-chat, I fear that something I considered original wouldn't be so, in the end.
To all the others. Try not to ask too much and not cooperate too much. With all the chit-chat, I fear that something I considered original wouldn't be so, in the end.
^This is correct. That's part of why speculation is against the rules of the competition. Unfortunately, there's pretty much no way to actually enforce it.
By the by, due to the nature of GSA and it's Capstone, I will NOT be marking down on Elegance/Use of GSA if you take only 9 levels. Now, if you take 10 levels and surprise me, you'll get a higher score, but I am not penalizing specifically for taking 9 levels.
Thought it was fair in this circumstance, seeing as how level 10 of GSA is just HORRIFICALLY BAD and ruins characters.
I'm of a similar mind-- I usually score the same for 9/10 and 10/10 anyways. If however, you have a strong use of the capstone (something I don't expect a strong use for) you'll probably be scored up for it.
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I'll be the first to admit this class isn't the strongest, but c'mon folks, the flavor of the thing is awesome and makes for a great story. I like the class
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As far as I can tell it there's nothing against it, but the GSA capstone specifically calls out all the things you lose - like your con score - so you'd lose all the benefits of being a warforged anyway.
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You know, I think gods are the exception to the rule that "I built you a shrine" is creepy.
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I maintain that until I see a movie trailer where Patrick Stewart introduces himself as Mordenkainen, there never was and never will be a D&D movie.
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I am unable to respond due to the awesomness of seducing a god, sorry
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The only person in the past two pages who has known what (s)he has been talking about is Heliomance.
I would very much like to be a contestant for this Iron Chef. It'll be my first time, so I'm totally ignorant of submission method. I already have a skeleton of the build done, so it should be complete in a couple days.
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Here are some monsters I've written up over the years. Feel free to use them however you want.
I'm competing. I already have the entire build, including skills and spell list done. Just adding in my thesis on synergy and level break analysis. Yay!
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Random topic of judging, I've been seeing this a lot in previous competitions:
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Originality: 3. It’s an unexpected build, but I’ve seen shock trooper/tripping builds so often that I sometimes forget there are melees out there who don’t take that path.
Not meaning any offense to Mr. Saris at all, but it bothers me that judges count off points because someone gets reach and Improved Trip. To me, this is like a Wizard preparing Fly. Why wouldn't you use the staples of being effective? This is particularly bad because, unless you're initiating maneuvers, melee combat really doesn't have many options while mages have thousands of spells to choose from. I feel like any build with a good UMD check deserves more points off than this.
I don't really know what I'm wanting by pointing this out. Is this something we can ease up on in future competitions? Is this something that should be looked at insofar as judging criteria? Is there a good counterpoint as to why these methods should be penalized?
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Not meaning any offense to Mr. Saris at all, but it bothers me that judges count off points because someone gets reach and Improved Trip. To me, this is like a Wizard preparing Fly. Why wouldn't you use the staples of being effective? This is particularly bad because, unless you're initiating maneuvers, melee combat really doesn't have many options while mages have thousands of spells to choose from. I feel like any build with a good UMD check deserves more points off than this.
I don't really know what I'm wanting by pointing this out. Is this something we can ease up on in future competitions? Is this something that should be looked at insofar as judging criteria? Is there a good counterpoint as to why these methods should be penalized?
If the best build you can make involves using the staples, then you aren't being very original. The build might be fine in many other respects, but by its very nature the category of originality requires you to blaze your own trail.
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Why on earth would there be superstition in a world where you can just ask the gods stuff? "Hey, I hear throwing salt over your shoulder prevents bad luck." "Oh yeah? I'll ask the god of luck, brb."
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Hey, it could be worse. It could be monks. One day, someone will start a thread titled "4E monks, more morally justified than 3.5 wizards!", and the world will end.
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Now, of course, what is a ninja? (A miserable little pile of shuriken!)
I would very much like to be a contestant for this Iron Chef. It'll be my first time, so I'm totally ignorant of submission method. I already have a skeleton of the build done, so it should be complete in a couple days.
The introduction to this thread has a recap of all the former contests. You can look at them to inspire yourself on how to post (strongly suggested, also to confront with overall quality).
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I don't really know what I'm wanting by pointing this out. Is this something we can ease up on in future competitions? Is this something that should be looked at insofar as judging criteria? Is there a good counterpoint as to why these methods should be penalized?
No, we shouldn't stop low-scoring that. See, I've nothing against the originals, the basics, the old standbys. To use the cooking analogy, they're the famous basic flavors, cumin and thyme and paprika, the good old boys, the standards. This isn't about them, though.
This is about ORIGINALITY. If the best thing you can serve me is the old standbys, well, it'll taste ok, but it's not ORIGINAL. Instead of mustard, make me a dressing out of pine nuts (had this IRL, was amazing), make me a spicy and tart ketchup out of orange tomatoes, make me something fresh and NEW. Even if it's risky, well, try it! I'll score you high in originality, and hey, it might come out well.
Instead of mustard, make me a dressing out of pine nuts (had this IRL, was amazing), make me a spicy and tart ketchup out of orange tomatoes, make me something fresh and NEW. Even if it's risky, well, try it! I'll score you high in originality, and hey, it might come out well.
The trouble with GSA is it has as much spice as plain tofu...
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IMHO, there are three useful abilities you can wring unique tricks out of. One of them is minor, and the other two are potentially incredible but unlikely to fly, since they rely on specific readings, and/or are well known cheese, and thus unoriginal.
AHA. Found a good one Makes it all worthwhile. Aaaand fails. Curse you, balance!
My entry is submitted. I wonder if anyone else came up with the same devious synergy trick I came up with? In the immortal words of every TV, movie, and comic book BBEG ever...Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
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The trouble with GSA is it has as much spice as plain tofu...
...Tofu is one of the best base foods in existence. The fact that it's bland means that every single thing you add can be tasted with ease. Spice well, gentlemen.
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My entry is submitted. I wonder if anyone else came up with the same devious synergy trick I came up with? In the immortal words of every TV, movie, and comic book BBEG ever...Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
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