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Old 10-01-2010, 04:03 AM   Top  -  End  -  #91
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"Then I'll help this one. And the next one. And as many as I can until there's no more left to help. I can do that, 'cause I've got magic and money and you guys. If I can't help everyone than I'll just help anyone I can. Isn't that what Pendulum is always talking about?"
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She's so very adorable, and yet so very dangerous... and I just want to hug her
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:37 AM   Top  -  End  -  #93
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Lady Moreta, Lord Gareth - great snippets! They're a fun read, and you start caring about the characters very-very quickly.

Lady Moreta, you asked for criticism of you third-person story. One constant mistake is in comma usage: http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

Basically, you need a comma most cases before closing quotations if the sentence continues, and a period where it does not and there is no other punctuation. For instance, here:

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Mostly, though, I really like your writing: the beginning of the story is somewhat slower due to necessary introductions - like explaining party roles - but I find that it helped me understand your prior snippets. For instance, I couldn't figure out at a glance that Nera was a sorceress before reading this part.

I kind of got lost on the moths - a bit too much explicit talking, if you ask me. But I don't really know how to do it better without skipping the scene altogether. I can't get what you were trying to show with the moths - how Nera acts (done, and done well)? Whether the enemies they face are dangerous? How the party acts in general?

No fancy formatting is good, though. Much easier to read that way. :)
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Lady Moreta, you asked for criticism of you third-person story. One constant mistake is in comma usage: http://grammartips.homestead.com/inside.html

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I kind of got lost on the moths - a bit too much explicit talking, if you ask me. But I don't really know how to do it better without skipping the scene altogether. I can't get what you were trying to show with the moths - how Nera acts (done, and done well)? Whether the enemies they face are dangerous? How the party acts in general?
I freely admit, the moths part wasn't well written. The problem was that I started in an awkward place (primarily because there was an awesome fight at the end of it). We'd also fought the moths before, so the characters knew all about them, but the writing of it didn't flow very well.

The moths were stupid, but as you say, I couldn't figure out how else to write it. I plan to go over the first part of the story and redo it all. But thank you, it helps
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Old 10-01-2010, 08:43 AM   Top  -  End  -  #95
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Thank you. Commas are the bane of my existence :smallsigh:
I know your plight. :) I have been translating to English for a living for years now, and I still look up the comma rules. Even worse is that they are "situational" in many cases, unlike in my native language - so now, having gotten used to English punctuation, I have to look up commas in Russian, as well, and there's a lot more of them.

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I freely admit, the moths part wasn't well written. The problem was that I started in an awkward place (primarily because there was an awesome fight at the end of it). We'd also fought the moths before, so the characters knew all about them, but the writing of it didn't flow very well.

The moths were stupid, but as you say, I couldn't figure out how else to write it. I plan to go over the first part of the story and redo it all. But thank you, it helps :smallsmile:
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I think I might see one of the problems. You jump from Silver to Tanc a lot, and somewhat unpredictably. It's hard to figure out who's head you are supposed to be in at the moment. Your original focus is Tanc, and then suddenly we're hearing Silver's thoughts, and then back to Tanc again. The classic solution to this is either showing everyone's thoughts from the very beginning (though damn hard to do well with a big party like yours), or keeping it one focal character per scene. It's hard to do two or more well, but it can be done.
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I know your plight. :) I have been translating to English for a living for years now, and I still look up the comma rules. Even worse is that they are "situational" in many cases, unlike in my native language - so now, having gotten used to English punctuation, I have to look up commas in Russian, as well, and there's a lot more of them.
I'll freely admit, the grammar is not such an issue for me - mostly because I know it's not 100% correct and I just don't care. But also because I know I can hand anything I've written to my husband and say "don't tell me about it, just go through and fix the grammar and punctuation". He is good at such things, and a real pedant, so I have no fears that all such problems can be fixed. When I get around to it

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I think I might see one of the problems. You jump from Silver to Tanc a lot, and somewhat unpredictably. It's hard to figure out who's head you are supposed to be in at the moment. Your original focus is Tanc, and then suddenly we're hearing Silver's thoughts, and then back to Tanc again. The classic solution to this is either showing everyone's thoughts from the very beginning (though damn hard to do well with a big party like yours), or keeping it one focal character per scene. It's hard to do two or more well, but it can be done.
This is possibly due to the fact that Silver was the one who cast message and is acting as the message relay centre. Which is where the lack of formatting comes in. All the parts that were coming through the message spell were in a different font to differentiate them from normal conversation.

I like your suggestion about not swapping between the two though. I shall have to reread it myself (eventually) and have another look. Thanks
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Hrm. So much to tell, so little time... working on some more tales, from DnD (AGGGGHHHH!, or Never Underestimate a Deity's Sense of Humour, among others), to Hackmaster (The Pixie Fairy Who Thought She Could (And The Thief Who Thought He Was) and Star Wars (I'm finally going to put the tale of the Infamous Force Speed Wheelbarrow in narrative form!)

Absolutely loving Hatch, those are incredibly well written tales!
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Force speed wheelbarrow? That sounds - fun

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That was a bit knocked-out, as it were, but still gets the gist of it across. Names were changed, partly because it was so long ago I've forgotten the characters' names, but also because I'd like to be a little fair on the player who did, as the story says, get outwitted by a kobold...
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Heehee, that was funny

A nice bit of laughter to distract from all our seriousness. I like it
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Yeah, Nayell Darhan, short lived character that he was, was known within the group as the "Force Inept", for his incredibly bad luck with the Jedi Mind Trick, and his crack-brained uses of the Force that nearly always ended up with him out of commision, even if the job was done. The Force really had it in for poor Nayell...
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I figured it would be fun to join in.
Sadly I don´t really have any epic moments from current D&D game to share, so I hope you don´t mind one from a warhammer game.

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Wolfhart started the campaign as a grave robber, eventually becoming a student and bright wizard. Esmeralda witnessed how this rise in class and power went to his head and eventually making him ruthless and cruel, to all but those closest to him (e.g. the group, his family and his apprentice).
To her, the aspect of being "one of his" was properly more terrifying than being all alone in the world
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Darkpuppy: a very fun read! Nayell sounds a lot of fun.

Lady Moreta: ah, then, I leave the proofreading to your established beta. I still want to read more. :)

You people have collectively inspired me to write up a bit from our own D&D game. I usually write my snippets in Russian, but hey. what the heck. Constructive criticism welcome - English literary styles aren't really my strong suit.

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Welcome to the thread, Werekat, enjoyed your tale, and will critique when I'm not so tired. Also welcome to Anterean, whose brief tale nonetheless implied a hella story!
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Yeah, Nayell Darhan, short lived character that he was, was known within the group as the "Force Inept", for his incredibly bad luck with the Jedi Mind Trick, and his crack-brained uses of the Force that nearly always ended up with him out of commision, even if the job was done. The Force really had it in for poor Nayell...
Still, that was a brilliant plan with the wheelbarrow I liked it, very funny.

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Wolfhart started the campaign as a grave robber, eventually becoming a student and bright wizard. Esmeralda witnessed how this rise in class and power went to his head and eventually making him ruthless and cruel, to all but those closest to hum (e.g. the group, his family and his apprentice).
To her, the aspect of being "one of his" was properly more terrifying than being all alone in the world
Interesting. A different ending to most of what we've got here. It left me going 'huh? what was so bad about that?' (which of course you explained later). But it was a good way to grab you and make you want more.

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Lady Moreta: ah, then, I leave the proofreading to your established beta. I still want to read more. :)
No, don't! Husband is more than happy to nitpick my grammar and spelling (even when I don't want him to), but he's not so good at the 'how do I make the general writing/tone better'. When I first got him to read it, his response was 'it's a bit too D&D, try making it less obvious' - but there were no suggestions forthcoming on how to do that.

Besides, I'm pretty sure your English is better than mine, and it's the only language I know

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I'm glad, because that was brilliant! I loved it I'm not sure 'screaks' is a word, but who cares! It fit perfectly, and you conjured up that horribly annoying sensation you get when there is sand in your shoes.

I only have one point of minor critisim, and I'm not even sure I'm right about it...
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I and Fai exchange dark looks.
I'm pretty sure that in English at least, this should be 'Fai and I', not the other way around. It doesn't seem to read properly the way you have it, but I'm not sure about the actual rule, so I could be wrong.

Otherwise, I loved it, and I really felt for Fai. Especially as Silver is likely to be taking Charm Monster at her next level up (which should be some time this afternoon as we have our next game today and I only need about 800xp to level up).

I'm still trying to write Lirrin's backstory, since Gareth asked for it, but I seem to be struggling with it. Not least because husband gave me the puppy-dog eyes and begged to let him steal my laptop last night so he and bro-in-law could play TA
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Thank you for the welcome and the replies! :)

Lady Moreta: sure, then! :) And thank you for the compliment, but it isn't. It's not as naturally-flowing, that's for sure. :)

As for the obviousness of D&D: we-elll, I'm not sure that's a bad thing in this case. But I'm a fan of stories based on stuff that happened in-game, and thus of the fact that it shows decisions are made in split seconds, aren't always correct, and so on. "You can't make this stuff up" kind of story, essentially.

As for that snippet: "screaks" seems to be a US-dialect word. I actually had to look up the word for that sound, and that one seemed to evoke the feeling best. I'll look up the rule on "Fai and I". :)
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I think that you're thinking of 'shrieks', 'cause I've never heard of the other one.

As far as the 'and I' rule, one puts oneself at the end of lists. However, sometimes 'and me' is the appropriate phrase; it depends on what the rest of the sentence looks like. Observe:

"Pelor smote Harley and me."

"Rachel and I totally sexed up those priests of Sune Firehair."

Essentially speaking, you determine if you need to use 'I' or 'me' by removing everyone else from your list and seeing which word makes sense.
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Lord Gareth: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/screak

As for the rule... If I understand you correctly, then, I technically used it in the right manner, since "I" and "Fai" are both subjects, and "I exchange a dark look with Fai" is correct. However, "I exchange a dark look with Fai" is just better-flowing English.
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As for the obviousness of D&D: we-elll, I'm not sure that's a bad thing in this case. But I'm a fan of stories based on stuff that happened in-game, and thus of the fact that it shows decisions are made in split seconds, aren't always correct, and so on. "You can't make this stuff up" kind of story, essentially.
Oh, I love not having to come up with the plot myself... my problem is the fact that initially, my writing wasn't very subtle. For example, when Silver casts message, I think how I originally wrote it sounds stupid and yes very overly D&Dish. I think something like 'she grabs a piece of copper wire and whispers a spell. Now they can keep in contact' sounds better.

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As for that snippet: "screaks" seems to be a US-dialect word. I actually had to look up the word for that sound, and that one seemed to evoke the feeling best. I'll look up the rule on "Fai and I". :)
Oh, I think it was a fantastic word. Perfectly fit what you meant I think. I'd just never heard it before. But that's okay, I like new words

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As for the rule... If I understand you correctly, then, I technically used it in the right manner, since "I" and "Fai" are both subjects, and "I exchange a dark look with Fai" is correct. However, "I exchange a dark look with Fai" is just better-flowing English.
Except that's not what you wrote. You wrote "I and Fai exchanged dark looks". Which, according to what Gareth posted, is technically incorrect. If you had written "I exchange a dark look with Fai" that would be perfectly correct. I don't want to nitpick, just clarify

And I'm still attempting Lirrin's backstory - or at least, her reason for leaving her village and joined the city guard. I have the reasoning in place, I'm just struggling to get the writing started.
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hey everybody, session 3 with my on campus group concluded about an hour ago, and it has produced a new snippet....


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I have much work to do tomorrow, so I'm afraid I can't type it up now, even though i REEEEAAALLLLY want to....

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Oh, I love not having to come up with the plot myself... my problem is the fact that initially, my writing wasn't very subtle. For example, when Silver casts message, I think how I originally wrote it sounds stupid and yes very overly D&Dish. I think something like 'she grabs a piece of copper wire and whispers a spell. Now they can keep in contact' sounds better.
I tend to keep to the other side of the fence here. When you're "in the head" of the character, they know what they're doing, and what spells they are casting. They have a means of referring to them, and it's usually a simple title or a description of an effect. It's kind of like us usually not thinking, "she picks up the plastic construct and presses a few buttons"; we usually just say "she phones someone." If magic is commonplace - and especially if the PoV character is a mage - I tend to use similar shorthand, be it in third person or first person. For instance, "Message" sounds pretty obvious: it's a concise summary of what the spell does. It feels more realistic to me.

It's a whole different ballpark, however, when the PoV is from someone who does not actually understand what's going on. And then it's a chance to show off the perception of the PoV character. Are they simple, yet attentive? Great detail, but the trees actually obscure the forest. "Ooh, pretty lights, " instead off "that was some kind of signal!" Do they grasp meaning well, but are so absorbed in it that they forget whatever else comes along? "Yes, that came from northeast, near the bugbear camp... Whaddya mean, we're fighting?" And so on, and so on. A character who is familiar with something but does not actually understand it can easily make up her own names for what's going on: "Oh, she did the snake dance again!"

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Except that's not what you wrote. You wrote "I and Fai exchanged dark looks". Which, according to what Gareth posted, is technically incorrect. If you had written "I exchange a dark look with Fai" that would be perfectly correct. I don't want to nitpick, just clarify :smallsmile:.
I like nitpicking, 'cause I'm a pretty slow learner, and often get stuff only *after* it's been nitpicked to death. :) If you ever get bored of it - just tell me, ok?

I'm trying to get the whole subject-object thing here: if you have two subjects of action, you use "I" - and then you have to figure out where to put it; if you have an object of action, you use "me". I think I have two subjects with one verb: so wouldn't the use of "I" be correct? "I exchange a dark look" is incomplete, but not incorrect. The question should be the order of the subjects, and I haven't been able to find anything decisive on that yet.

If I'm still missing something, and anyone's still up for explaining (or just pointing me to the rule I've misread), I'll be very glad. :)

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And I'm still attempting Lirrin's backstory - or at least, her reason for leaving her village and joined the city guard. I have the reasoning in place, I'm just struggling to get the writing started..
*grins* Similar problem here. I'm writing a little and hopefully funny snippet about elven ears, and am finding it hard to get the introduction. I just start writing, though: I can always edit later.
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:46 AM   Top  -  End  -  #112
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Where you put "I" or "me" is only determined by the order of the sentence and whether or not there's a list involved. Observe:

"I exchanged a dark look with Fai," is entirely correct: you, the subject, perform a verb upon something.

"Fai and I exchanged a dark look," is also correct.

"I and Fai exchanged a dark look," is INcorrect.

The pronoun that represents oneself always goes at the end of any listing, so if Kayla is part of this, then any list should read, "Fai, Kayla and I," or "Kayla, Fai and I", as taste dictates.

Make more sense now?
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Yes, after the last example it makes sense. :) Thank you, Lord Gareth.
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I really love all of the stories everyone has posted so far, and am really looking forward to more. I've been lurking around this thread for a while, and was finally inspired to resurrect this account to try and be a part of it.

Just to warn you all though, I've really just started writing, and am far from used to first-person POV, so read at your own risk.

Anyway, I've been stalling enough. Here's my small contribution: The most recent adventure of my Paladin/Crusader Varen Castellos in his quest to find his childhood friend.

Revelations in the Eye of the Storm
(or That's a lot of Natural 20s)

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tl;dr Varen finally learns the identity of his mortal enemy before possibly being killed.

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okay...

I give up....

what in the name of pun-pun does tl;dr mean?!


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I'm pretty sure it means "too long; didn't read".
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I really love all of the stories everyone has posted so far, and am really looking forward to more. I've been lurking around this thread for a while, and was finally inspired to resurrect this account to try and be a part of it.
Awesome. A new victim!

Er... I mean, newcomer - welcome newcomer

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The last thing I heard was the murmuring of many voices. The last thing I felt was the falling rain.

tl;dr Varen finally learns the identity of his mortal enemy before possibly being killed.
Wow. Just wow. That was epic I love fight scenes, and that was very well done. Wonderful battle, and so sad!

Only one point of critism (which is mostly a stylistic thing):
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“Silence!” I screamed, feeling my voice seemingly erupt from my body. “You have been a source of misery in this land for far too long! I will make you pay for your crimes, here and now!”
Here, I don't think you need the 'seemingly'. His voice was supposed to erupt from his body yes? You were trying to express exactly how he's feeling and just how he's screaming - anger and hatred and fear all in one right? Using 'seemingly' actually lessens the impact of the 'erupt from my body' part. I would take it out.

Also, on a purely physical note, technically we talk out of our body (the mouth), so why can't he 'erupt' instead of just yell?

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okay...

I give up....

what in the name of pun-pun does tl;dr mean?!

We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you

Translated: I have no idea what it means, but I've seen it before and am also curious. Machuchang, what does it mean?

edit: and there you go answering the question before I get in...
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Wow. Just wow. That was epic I love fight scenes, and that was very well done. Wonderful battle, and so sad!
Thanks a lot! I'm very glad you liked it! This is the first battle sequence I've written in a long time, so it really means a lot to me to hear/read that.
...Though it does help that my DM is very descriptive and that all the nat 20s rolled during that combat made it very dramatic.

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Here, I don't think you need the 'seemingly'. His voice was supposed to erupt from his body yes? You were trying to express exactly how he's feeling and just how he's screaming - anger and hatred and fear all in one right? Using 'seemingly' actually lessens the impact of the 'erupt from my body' part. I would take it out.

Also, on a purely physical note, technically we talk out of our body (the mouth), so why can't he 'erupt' instead of just yell?
Excellent points. I feel kind of silly for having that part there, looking back on it. I'll go fix that, and hopefully that will increase the impact and make it less repetitive.

Thanks a lot for all the advice! If I have to be a victim while I'm here, I'll be sure to make the most out of it.

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...Is it too late to go?
Yes. Yes it is

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Thanks a lot! I'm very glad you liked it! This is the first battle sequence I've written in a long time, so it really means a lot to me to hear/read that.
...Though it does help that my DM is very descriptive and that all the nat 20s rolled during that combat made it very dramatic.
You're welcome! and it does help, I know. I'm the note-taker in our group, and my books are scattered with little bits of description and diagrams of our fights.

You gotta love the natural 20
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You're welcome! and it does help, I know. I'm the note-taker in our group, and my books are scattered with little bits of description and diagrams of our fights.
That is a really amazing idea. I've gotta start doing that!
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