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I'd be happy to have you. We've not heard recently from some of the judges.
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Due to RL and a lack of familiarity with Psionics, my judging is progressing, but slowly. If any of the guest judges want to take my seat, go for it.
Feel free to drop out if you need to, but no rush.
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Well, looks like we have 2 done, 1 on the way, and 1 going slowly.
I'll jump in as the fifth. Will start looking over them shortly. Haven't read anything since before the entries were posted, so this should be completely unbiased by anything said
I'm still about half done. Some of these are kinda tough to process. There are a lot of similar elements, but its not as easy as Blade Bravo or Pyrokineticist were.
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A beholder’s favorite foods include small live mammals, exotic mushrooms and other fungi, gnomes, beef, pork, colorful leafy vegetables, leaves, flower petals, insects, and birds.
Well, I got 2 more done this evening. Unfortunately, I'm headed out to a birthday party and should be gone most of the weekend. If y'all don't mind waiting until about Monday, I should get the last 4 done. Sorry for the delays.
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A beholder’s favorite foods include small live mammals, exotic mushrooms and other fungi, gnomes, beef, pork, colorful leafy vegetables, leaves, flower petals, insects, and birds.
Least abusive option. Obvious widsom synergy could effect base class choice. Strength and Constitution should also be high. Giant size becomes available no earlier than lvl 14. Divine crusader levels could be exchanged for a divine casting PrC for more customisation. Requires the Heroism domain that KD mentioned.
nope. Need 8's.
Would Paladin 4/War Mind 8/Divine Crusader 8 work? I'm AFB, but it seems like using Primary Contact/Favored (from Cityscape, I think) could get use into War Mind at level 5, thus leaving room for 8 levels of Divine Crusader, or sprinkling in some PrC that advances its casting.
EDIT: Sorry, I meant War Mind.
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Would Paladin 4/Divine Mind 8/Divine Crusader 8 work? I'm AFB, but it seems like using Primary Contact/Favored (from Cityscape, I think) could get use into War Mind at level 5, thus leaving room for 8 levels of Divine Crusader, or sprinkling in some PrC that advances its casting.
That would get Giant Size. Ampheryton wanted to know if there was a way to get Giant Size and >7 levels of Warmind. Fitting in 7 levels is not that hard.
Starting as a Wu Jen and having a Spirit Ally spawn you would allow qualification for emancipated spawn. Repeatedly tap a thought bottle and gain back Wu Jen class features as ES (su) class features. Then use the remainder of your thought bottle XP to gain Warmind levels. You would re-enter play as a 3hd Shadow/ +5LA/ Emancipated Spawn 3/ Warmind 2. Continue prograssion as Warmind. STP Erudite could also do this, but at 15th level instead of 13. Level differential abuse is hardly practical though. You may as well just remake the Word.
PHB2 retraining/rebuilding would work, but only with a fast casting progression PrC like Divine Crusader or Ur-Priest (with domain access). I doubt many DM's would allow a character to train out the majority of their base classes.
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A beholder’s favorite foods include small live mammals, exotic mushrooms and other fungi, gnomes, beef, pork, colorful leafy vegetables, leaves, flower petals, insects, and birds.
That would get Giant Size. Ampheryton wanted to know if there was a way to get Giant Size and >7 levels of Warmind. Fitting in 7 levels is not that hard.
Sorry, I meant War Mind. There would be 8 levels of War Mind, not Divine Mind.
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[thought bottle trick]...
PHB2 retraining/rebuilding would work, but only with a fast casting progression PrC like Divine Crusader or Ur-Priest (with domain access). I doubt many DM's would allow a character to train out the majority of their base classes.
As a DM, I would allow extensive retraining before allowing thought bottle shenanigans.
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Would Paladin 4/War Mind 8/Divine Crusader 8 work? I'm AFB, but it seems like using Primary Contact/Favored (from Cityscape, I think) could get use into War Mind at level 5, thus leaving room for 8 levels of Divine Crusader, or sprinkling in some PrC that advances its casting.
EDIT: Sorry, I meant War Mind.
It's been argued on this board before that a strict RAW reading of Primary Mind/Favored does not allow you to break the level cap for skill points except at the level where Favored is gained; I touched briefly on this way back in the Stonelord IC challenge, IIRC. That means the above build would only work if you found a way to take Favored at 4th character level, which is difficult, or alternately if you houseruled how Favored works, which seems destined for poor scores in ICOC.
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That means the above build would only work if you found a way to take Favored at 4th character level, which is difficult, or alternately if you houseruled how Favored works, which seems destined for poor scores in ICOC.
Nah, not difficult. Just sell your soul or get yourself a legacy item then pay for dark chaos shuffle.
Cheesy, perhaps. Difficult? Not much.
[Good point about Primary Contact/Favored]...That means the above build would only work if you found a way to take Favored at 4th character level, which is difficult, or alternately if you houseruled how Favored works, which seems destined for poor scores in ICOC.
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Nah, not difficult. Just sell your soul or get yourself a legacy item then pay for dark chaos shuffle.
Cheesy, perhaps. Difficult? Not much.
Paladin 2/Human Paragon 2/War Mind 8/Divine Crusader 8. Simple, and not cheesy. Does that solve it?
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EDIT: I do believe that using the Dark Chaos Shuffle in ICOC would probably get me 1's across the board.
Oh, please. There is a dude trying to pull out a kobold Wyrm of War in this Iron Chef... and he's actually doing pretty well so far.
At most chaos shuffle should cost you a few points in elegance.
Oh, please. There is a dude trying to pull out a kobold Wyrm of War in this Iron Chef... and he's actually doing pretty well so far.
At most chaos shuffle should cost you a few points in elegance.
A kobold Wyrm of War is a little different, though...namely, he's not a Loredrake. It's TO, sure, but it's a novel TO direction, like the Artificer Master of Masks (which should have lost a lot in UoSI, but I won't go into that).
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One of the unwritten rules of Giantitp is that Urpriest is always right.
A kobold Wyrm of War is a little different, though...namely, he's not a Loredrake. It's TO, sure, but it's a novel TO direction, like the Artificer Master of Masks (which should have lost a lot in UoSI, but I won't go into that).
It's not TO, it's illegal. Just skimming the sovereign archetypes tells you that you need to give up a true dragon's ability to choose spells from clerical domains as sorcerer spells to gain the benefit of an archetype.
It's not TO, it's illegal. Just skimming the sovereign archetypes tells you that you need to give up a true dragon's ability to choose spells from clerical domains as sorcerer spells to gain the benefit of an archetype.
Do they also say that the dragon must have that ability to begin with?
While such a requirement would be logical, thinking that way also rules out the ever-popular Wildshape Mystic Ranger. In any case, the definition of TO is dubious bull**** that would never fly in an actual game, but is technically allowed.
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One of the unwritten rules of Giantitp is that Urpriest is always right.
Do they also say that the dragon must have that ability to begin with?
Yes, it states outright that you need the ability. It even adds that, if the DM really wants to, he can allow a dragon without that ability to pick it up.
Also, sovereign archetypes are meant for NPCs. It's like taking Legendary Strenght from the DMGII.
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While such a requirement would be logical, thinking that way also rules out the ever-popular Wildshape Mystic Ranger.
Not at all. Mystic Ranger gets combat style, albeit at a slowed progression.
Wildshape variant give sup combat style. Mystic Ranger has said combat style. Hence, he can give it up for the wildshape variant. I can't see a contradiction here.
And heck, kobolds are not true dragons anyway.
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It's been argued on this board before that a strict RAW reading of Primary Mind/Favored does not allow you to break the level cap for skill points except at the level where Favored is gained; I touched briefly on this way back in the Stonelord IC challenge, IIRC. That means the above build would only work if you found a way to take Favored at 4th character level, which is difficult, or alternately if you houseruled how Favored works, which seems destined for poor scores in ICOC.
Another way I can think of is if you dip a level of Marshal when you already have Skill Focus(Diplomacy), so you get whatever feat you want when you take your first level of Marshall. Retrain/Dark Chaos Shuffle/whatever out the Skill Focus later.
Not nearly as elegant, I admit, but it is another way of going about it if you don't want to be human for whatever reason.
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I have checked the builds and no-one has added this but I was wondering if it was allowed in future:
Serenity switches Paladin abilities to work of Wisdom rather than Charisma and is wildly used on these boards even I think with those who say no Dragon magazine yet this feat is Dragon magazine. Would it be allowed in future?
I have checked the builds and no-one has added this but I was wondering if it was allowed in future:
Serenity switches Paladin abilities to work of Wisdom rather than Charisma and is wildly used on these boards even I think with those who say no Dragon magazine yet this feat is Dragon magazine. Would it be allowed in future?
Serenity was reprinted in the Dragon Compendium, which is an allowed source. Individual issues of Dragon or Dungeon, however, are not.
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I recommend trying to open the document in wordpad, open office, and a hex editor in that order. Unless someone here knows a good deal about tho word doc file format?
Also, which version of word? That could be important.
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If you want me to try, you can email me the file you have (my username at yahoo) and I'll see what I can do. No promises but if it's just bit-shifted a good hex editor can fix that.
ION, I should have my judging done by tomorrow. I forgot my USB key today, but I can probably make up for it and get the last 3-4 done and combine them tomorrow for posting.
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A beholder’s favorite foods include small live mammals, exotic mushrooms and other fungi, gnomes, beef, pork, colorful leafy vegetables, leaves, flower petals, insects, and birds.
If you want me to try, you can email me the file you have (my username at yahoo) and I'll see what I can do. No promises but if it's just bit-shifted a good hex editor can fix that.
Originality: 4.5 (I love its concept, but unless it is perfect, and I mean perfect, it does not get a 5.) Power: 3.5 (It does have a lot of defensive and offensive power, but melee is melee.) Elegance: 2 (The backstory just feels quickly put together.) Use of Special Ingredient: 4.5 (War Mind is very important to this build. Well done!)
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I realize this is late, but I would probably argue a bit about giving a lower score for the build being melee. War Mind is a melee focused prestige class. I think you can give bonus points if people can make it elegantly work as something else, but I don't think people just be penalized for using the class as it was written to be used. Likewise, I again think that power should be ranked by type. If someone built a melee character, don't compare it to a similar level caster, compare it to other melee builds.
Then again, that's just my two cents, and you're of course welcome to judge however you see fit.
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