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Old 10-08-2010, 08:07 PM   Top  -  End  -  #181
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I do hope, my good sir, that you are not insinuating that the archons are employing deception, however inadvertent it may be. You wouldn't be saying anything of the sort, would you?
Of course not good sir! That is tantamount to saying that the Nine Hells are not ambiguously evil, or that the wars between the Abyss and the Hells has been artificially created! Never would I say such a thing, good sir.
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:54 AM   Top  -  End  -  #182
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It is often expressed through parables that the long march of eons cannot soothe the wronged heart; that the impermanence of justice hardens the soul against benevolence and places it toward a path of pure vengeance, of slights repaid and violence appropriated. These parables go on to express regret and firm resolve in equal measure, that the only answer to sin is conflict. The entity Death-of-Chains is the embodiment and antithesis of this.

With name and origins lost to antiquity, those scholars interested in eschatology have pieced together some common truths. Originally believed to be a solar predating the compact that limited celestial incursion into the mortail coil and the Fall, and whose sphere of concern encompassed beatific suffering and justice, it is speculated that Death-of-Chains descended into the Depths Below to personally engage with fiends.

Possessed of a righteous fury, he laid waste to demons and devils in equal measure, bringing avenging light to those who would taint the multiverse with their despicable evil. Originally dedicated to a merciful death, even against fiends, through the long millennia this devolved into violent humiliation. Increasingly, his actions drew the attention of his superiors, who while finding it repugnant also appreciated its clarity.

Death-of-Chains was found innocent of innocence and sentenced to recanting upon the mortal coil. Equally talented as healer as he was a warrior, Death-of-Chains brought the healing light of on high to the mortals he carefully tended to, wholly committed to his renouncement.

Ironically, it was upon the mortal coil that his own light dimmed. Disillusioned with the lying and pettiness of mortals, and disappointed in the celestial agenda, Death-of-Chains once more descended into the Lower Spheres, this time to commit suicide.

Broken and writhing in suffering upon the apathetic grey ash of the Wastes, Lament found him and reshaped him, affixing great chains into his body and soul.

It is unknown how long Death-of-Chains remained the avenging dark angel of Lament, but mustering his courage, Death-of-Chains broke free of Lament and ended upon Perdition.

This was a calculated move on the part of Death-of-Chains - scholars theorise that Lament let him go a free agent, having already fulfilled his own enigmatic design and needing him no further.

Death-of-Chains learned torture through experience and sight, and when filled to the brim with this perverse knowledge, escaped to craft his vengeance. He would bring torture and prosecuted renewed violence against fiends, and discovered tyranny and oppression proved to be a very special affront to him, taking on the appellation, Death-of-Chains.
Despite his proven violence, Death-of-Chains will never harm innocents (always aware of who they are) or animals.

Death-of-Chains appears as a handsome solar, 7 feet tall, with midnight black hair and eyes, and a perpetually disapproving frown. Upon his back are the stumps of wings, whose charred pits arise the form of grasping spiked chains.

Death-of-Chains can force the emergence of spiked chains from his torso with no pain.

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Old 10-10-2010, 07:11 AM   Top  -  End  -  #183
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The problem with that Solar, however, is twofold: one, it's a Solar and not an archon, two it's not lawful good... so it would rather belong into a later Ysgard or Arborea project.
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Old 10-10-2010, 07:37 AM   Top  -  End  -  #184
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Unlike the demons and devils, I don't think angels are especially prejudiced against those of a different good alignment; I think conflicting alignments will manufacture discourse at worst. There is certainly no reason why NG or even CG angels can't exist on Celestia.
Also, I'm pretty sure solars, planetars and their ilk inhabit Celestia.

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Old 10-10-2010, 07:55 AM   Top  -  End  -  #185
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Well... Solars live on any upper plane, but I'd guess mostly between Celestia and Arborea. And given the nature of belief and the laws of shape-able reality, I'd assume they would find planes of opposite alignment very uncomfortable.
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:56 AM   Top  -  End  -  #186
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I apologize for not posting here in a while or contributing any material as of yet, but I've been fairly busy with schoolwork. I should be finished with my work in the next few days and would be able to start on the alternate archons, but it seems this project has lost most of its steam. Are people still interested in this, or should we let sleeping threads lie?
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:00 AM   Top  -  End  -  #187
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I'm still willing to keep working; but I have yet to receive any commentary on the Principality and I don't want to sink another 8+ hours into making the Authority only to find out that there was some crucial flaw I missed. Plus I've been working on my entry to the Monster Competition, that doesn't really help matters.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:36 AM   Top  -  End  -  #188
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I think we need to start focusing on a plan for the fluff. Personally, I say we start filling out the Celestial ranks. Have we all agreed on a hierarchy?
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:40 AM   Top  -  End  -  #189
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I've mainly started reading up on all the fluff for the different layers, and i have a few ideas for the Silver sea.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #190
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What have you got? I've found a surprising amount of creatures tailored for the Silver Sea. I mean was expecting... none, so even a few is good.
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Creatures not much, really.

But I was mostly thinking about what kind of fortresses one would find. One point I thought was important was that the Silver sea is a perfect neutral ground for trade between Arcadia and Bytopia: Bytopia produces crafts, among them absolutely amazing weapons, Arcadia needs them. So I wanted to do at least a trade city or two.

The other thing I can remember right now was that Celestia really needs a powerful navy. None of the other planes (except maybe Ysgard) has a large sea on it's first layer. On celestia, the entire layer is one, and one can barely travel there without falling in. Therefore, other than flying troops (of which it has plenty), Celestia's first line of defence should be a naval force.

I had more, but I need to find my notes first.
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Also remember the Silver Sea is one of the two headwaters of the River Oceanus (the other being Arborea's third layer), so it would also provide trade with Elysium, the Beastlands, and Arborea quite easily.
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True, but most of the trade going through it would be destined for or coming from Arcadia.
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I always like the connection that the silver sea had with whales, supposedly. If I'm not mistaken, isn't the Silver Sea essentially heaven for whales too?
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Is there an index of posts that have content in progress? I'd like to see what you guys have here, but there's already a lot of posts to slog through.
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I always like the connection that the silver sea had with whales, supposedly. If I'm not mistaken, isn't the Silver Sea essentially heaven for whales too?
The whole Oceanus is, really. But the Silver sea would potentially work better than a river anyway. And there's some nice varieties of planar whales out there.

Also, I really love the octopus-folk from Planes of law, even though i can never remember the name.
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Is there an index of posts that have content in progress? I'd like to see what you guys have here, but there's already a lot of posts to slog through.
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Both of which are by me. As for lore, most of this thread consists of it to varying degrees but there isn't too much we've decided on for sure other than there will be absolutely no Seraphim.
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Fair enough. Pyramid, then:

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I noticed this post from a few days ago. Am I incorrect in thinking that there is such a thing as a Word Archon in Tome of Magic? I realise this means we're bringing the spectre of Truenaming in, but surely in terms of sages, Word Archons would fit the bill?
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Hmm. The Word Archon is not amongst the original seven, but it fits better than most, I guess. If we include variants of common archons, one might also just be a general caster archon.
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Just out of curiosity, is the project dead? I've started on the Authority but I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time first.
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It is not dead my celestial warlock base class is almost done. It is a 1 for 1 power sub so it should be just as balanced as the Wotc variant. Also I should be done with the Cr 20 throne archon this week.
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I think what would help the project would be some definite goals. A checklist of stuff that needs to be taken care of. Maybe even deadlines on material?
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I agree. Also does anyone have a better name than celestial warlock?
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Seems fair to me, I'll see if I can come up with a tentative proposal for what needs doing.

1. We have 7 volunteers but only 4 people who actually have a set project. I would suggest that hamishspence, DythTheKobold, and Eldan decide on something they should do; with the primary things that need doing being the Hebdomad and how Celestia interacts with the material. I can see that blackjack217 is making a throne archon and a celestial-powered warlock, so we should probably assign him either lesser archons or Celestia and the Material.
2. More volunteers would obviously help, as that would take the pressure from the current workers. Even if it's just proofreading finished entries or making mechanical suggestions, the more help the better.
3. We need to decide what exactly we are doing with the concept and get some synergy between the components.
4. We need commentary and support for what we've got so far and any future entries. The Principality has been languishing in obscurity for weeks because nobody has any suggestions for how it could be improved.
5. This is probably the most important part; we need organization. Somebody is going to have to take charge and get everyone moving in the same direction along with serving as a means of breaking deadlocks. Deadlines would probably help, although I would suggest being relatively lenient with them. Now, the question is, who should take charge? PairO'Dice Lost would be a good choice, although he seems reticent to take up the position, as would Tygre. I'll take the position if nobody else wants to, although I'd rather follow than lead in this case.
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I've started going into fluff for the layers, I think I can continue with that. Start with one layer, probably starting down low, and get fluff ideas together on each one.
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Good plan, although I would suggest just going with your own ideas first as something like that could be easily bogged down by competing thoughts as to what it should be.
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I'd be willing to step forward on the spearhead. I'm not much with crunch material, and there's only so much I can do with fluff that others aren't already covering. It's the least I could do. Any objections?
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You have my support in this cause. If you can keep everyone on track and serve as both an arbiter and the last word for what we are going to do, we may just be able to do this.
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The celestial warlock is ready for posting, kinda, hear is the list of things still to do:
invocations need replacements for:
lesser:
Charm
Curse of Despair
The Dead Walk (what do you think about a spell that summons archons?)
Hungry Darkness
Walk Unseen (not sure of he should get invis, thoughts?
Wall of Gloom

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Chilling Tentacles
Enervating Shadow
Tenacious Plague
Warlock’s Call

Dark: all
I also need least and greater essences.

Should I post or keep working?
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