Final Fantasy d6 (Complete System)

[Kobold-Bard]

<never mind, I'm dumb>

[Mecharious]

Um... I never said anything contrary to that. I just said the file talked about the Fayth without saying what they were.

[Kobold-Bard]

Originally Posted by Mecharious

Um... I never said anything contrary to that. I just said the file talked about the Fayth without saying what they were.

ARGLEFARGLERARGLEFHSBFKHHGBVKJHGVC!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally misread what you posted

[Temotei]

Originally Posted by UserShadow7989

Off the top of my head, I just thought up another Limit Break option: Augmented Abilities. Take an Ability (cost depends on if it's one the character has or not, and whether it's a Job Ability, Innate Ability, or Epic Ability. The former being cheap, and the latter being extremely expensive, possibly restricted to level 3 limit breaks and not allowing any other traits). The ability is activated when using the limit break.

For example, a Thief can combine his Steal Innate Ability with Area Effect to Steal from all enemies, or a character attempting an ability that involves rolling 2d6 can add another d6 to the roll for every (insert suitable number) points added to the cost.

That's way better than my Thieving ability idea. I love this.

[Unrest]

Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma

"Not to be reckoned with" is perfectly grammatically appropriate. No mistake there.

Ohh... uh? I'm not a native English-user, so got that jumbled. I always thought that "reckon" means "to take into account", "be aware of" (so "not to be reckoned with" would mean "needs not be bothered with"). Well, you learn your whole life.

@Temotei: Yeah, it is too complicated. But, paraphrasing / quoting what someone on this forum had in their signature, "When in doubt, I make tables." I just thought of all the possibilities and what I thought of their power level. Because being able to use any of the breaks for just 1 point more, or not being able to use more than one break simultaneously, was... unbalanced? Odd? Can't think of a proper word. I wanted to point to a possibility.

[Yuki Akuma]

It's one of those weird cases, like "inflammable" and "flammable" meaning the same thing.

[Aldgar]

I have a question:

There are two stated ways to perform a limit break:

1) Spend 3 points of Destiny

2) Roll a critical hit at 25% or less HP(50% or less with Limit Breaker ability/Overdrive equipment)

The example of case 2) spells out "rolling a pair of sixes"(cf. page 123).

BUT....what if a Dragoon with the *Threaten* ability rolls a crit that isn't a pair of sixes?

(For reference: Reach weapons crit on 11-12. The Threaten ability lets them crit on 10-12, aka 1/6 of the time instead of the *normal* 1/36)


Can a Dragoon use limit breaks on such *lesser* crits?

[Dust]

Aldgar: Yes. You can always pull off a Limit Break when you get a critical hit 'result' on the dice roll, even if it was caused by an Ability (Threaten or Grim Reaper for example), reroll (concealed weapons, dual-wield, a Gambler), or whatever.

Shadow: My face;

[Sairyu]

Congratulations on finishing. :")

[XiaoTie]

Dayum! This is awesome!

Awesome work, hopefully I'll be able to use it sometime soon :D

[Mecharious]

Can magical and physical attack be combined in a limit break? If you take multi-attack do you get the extra attack for just one of them?

[Temotei]

Originally Posted by Mecharious

Can magical and physical attack be combined in a limit break? If you take multi-attack do you get the extra attack for just one of them?

Originally Posted by Temotei

Here are a few limit break ideas for you.

Allow Break Arts to be taken for 2 or 3 points, but the art chosen is random, like this:


Taking Neutralize twice removes immunities and resistances in addition to the normal effects.

Notes on limit break abilities:

You probably shouldn't be able to take Attack (Physical) and Attack (Magical) with the same limit break...or the cost of the second attack should double, then, which is the same as Multi-Attack's cost of 6 points. Choosing Multi-Attack along with both should only give one extra attack, chosen between physical and magical.

Question: Looking through the status effect section, combining mini and poison would increase the damage poison does each round to 15% (from 10%), since it doesn't specify what types of damage are increased (in other words, it says all damage is increased). Is that intentional?

Addressed, though not answered.

[Kobold-Bard]

Dunno if this is why, but just noticed that White Mages get Huge weapon proficiency:

Spoiler

I lol'd.

[UserShadow7989]

Originally Posted by Dust

Shadow: My face;

I exist only to break things.

Just out of curiosity, was that aimed at the Revive Limit Break question (which I assume means it's an instant KO?), or the 'Limit Break' idea I posted being too broken (I'd probably scrap the Epic Ability option for, since even with those limits it's pretty broken to get an Epic use every time you critical hit).

The easiest fix I can think of it to change Zombie status to a level 2 Limit Break status effect, buff the cost of Revive, and drop the cost for Death Attack.

Zombie has a lot of exploits, Reviving is a pretty powerful effect early on, and Death Attack rarely effects the enemies you would want to use it on the most (maybe bar it from being mixed with Area Effect to prevent abuse if that's what worries you).

EDIT: Found an error under Shinryu's stat block. His SPR rating is 24, but should be 14.

[Creed]

Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard

Dunno if this is why, but just noticed that White Mages get Huge weapon proficiency:

Spoiler

I lol'd.

"I'm going to heal you now. WITH MY GIANT HAMMER!"

Reminds me of this Ukranian ceremonial weapon, called, I believe, a buluva. It's a wooden mace with pointyspikey things on it and it's a symbol for prosperity and good fortune apparently.

[Mecharious]

Eh, I think you should be able to take both physical and magical attack. The odds are your main stat will be higher than your other. If your Strength is 10 higher than your int, the physical could be doing around 100 more points of damage, based on what level you are and how good your weapons are.

It encourages not only having one really huge stat, with the others being much smaller.

[Kobold-Bard]

@Dust: Does the Hume HP bonus give an actual extra 3HP every level, or does it effectively increase your class's HP bonus by 3 (so a Dragoon would have a HP of 9).

The person who mentioned it said that because the Hume entry says /level it gives 3 bonus every level. But it also says /level in the class entry, so I'm not sure.

Edit: Meteorite (Time, Rank 1) says it's a single target, but then goes on to say the damage is done to all enemies. Obviously it's a Group spell, just mentioning the mistake.

[Unrest]

Originally Posted by UserShadow7989

<zombie>

Did it work like that in FF games? I.e., was stuff like this insta-KO?

I'd say instant-KO's are bad for warfare. 'Cause there isn't any. I'd feel bad shutting down Dracula by pushing a Phoenix Down down his throat

[Yuki Akuma]

It did in fact work like that in many FF games.

The undead train boss from FF6 comes to mind...

[Mecharious]

There was also an underwater zombie boss in FFX that could die that way...

Speaking of which, this is a bit off-topic, but do they ever explain why Wakka, Rikku, and Tidus can breathe underwater? I wasn't paying attention for a lot of that game.

[Creed]

Originally Posted by Mecharious

Speaking of which, this is a bit off-topic, but do they ever explain why Wakka, Rikku, and Tidus can breathe underwater? I wasn't paying attention for a lot of that game.

"Blitzball players have to be able to hold their breath for a really long time, ya?"
And Rikku is Rikku.

[Yuki Akuma]

Rikku can hold her breath for such a long time because she's used to underwater salvaging.

Spirans can train to hold their breaths for a very long tmie.

[Mecharious]

I have to imagine when you first get to Spira you and Rikku are underwater for hours. So it's established that they're holding their breath instead of having some sort of device that helps them breathe?

Well, that's FF for you

[UserShadow7989]

Originally Posted by Unrest

Did it work like that in FF games? I.e., was stuff like this insta-KO?

I'd say instant-KO's are bad for warfare. 'Cause there isn't any. I'd feel bad shutting down Dracula by pushing a Phoenix Down down his throat

As stated above, yes. There are also two instances of it in FF8 (you can use a Phoenix Down to end both quickly, though the second one takes several as damage done this way is limited by the Damage Cap (9999, which the second zombie boss has twice that much of).

There's even two different bosses in FFX that use the combo on the party, both come late in the game. The first has a fairly high damage attack that inflicts Zombie, then casts Full-Life on them next turn.

The latter will inflict Zombie on the whole party and spend several turns healing the party to death (frustrating because the final phase of the battle has her use a party hitting instant KO attack that only Zombies can survive, so you either cure it in the first two phases and play with several party members vulnerable to the instant kill, or put up with a tough first two phases for an easy third phase).

[Yuki Akuma]

I personally say the instant KO effects are traditional Final Fantasy fare and should stay in the game.

Along with suplexing any enemy at all, even if it's a train.

[Temotei]

Originally Posted by UserShadow7989

The latter will inflict Zombie on the whole party and spend several turns healing the party to death (frustrating because the final phase of the battle has her use a party hitting instant KO attack that only Zombies can survive, so you either cure it in the first two phases and play with several party members vulnerable to the instant kill, or put up with a tough first two phases for an easy third phase).

You could always just get a death ward item. Those aren't too terribly hard to get. The deathproof ability is a bit harder to get at that point, though...

Otherwise, just cure one party member, then leave the others zombies. Or cure two and leave one. Having a uniform zombie/non-zombie party is kind of bad for that part, if I remember right.

Of course, then you have the pitiful boss fights after that and you wonder why it was so hard, then such a breeze.

[UserShadow7989]

Originally Posted by Temotei

You could always just get a death ward item. Those aren't too terribly hard to get. The deathproof ability is a bit harder to get at that point, though...

Otherwise, just cure one party member, then leave the others zombies. Or cure two and leave one. Having a uniform zombie/non-zombie party is kind of bad for that part, if I remember right.

Of course, then you have the pitiful boss fights after that and you wonder why it was so hard, then such a breeze.

I could never get a hold of any Deathward/proof equipment. I never, personally, had trouble with the latter boss (though the former tripped me up a few times on my first two playthroughs, until I figured out that when he casts reflect on himself and starts casting Flare on himself, dispelling his reflect doesn't change the AI's behavior), but I heard plenty of people did.

Personally, I loved how the bosses of FFX would use the same tricks that players would use, and that difficulty came in figuring out the holes in the bosses strategies. Like how certain bosses that love to heal themselves are vulnerable to Zombie.

Really, the No Sphere Grid challenge and variants thereof are a hoot if you have the patience to grind for items/synthesis material/Overdrive.

EDIT: Another grammar mistake. In the Entertainer's Wake to Life: "Objects awakened in this way cannot participate in combat, are generally loyal to the Entertainer that created them, and are as resilient than the material they are made out of." 'Than' should be replaced a second 'as'.

[Mecharious]

_________ was actually the only boss I had trouble with in that game. Of course, now that I think about it, Deathproof equipment would completely trivialize that encounter.

Lame.

[UserShadow7989]

Sinspawn Gui was the only real stumbling block for me other then you-know-who's third appearance. Also, the name of that boss is a bit of a spoiler. Perhaps edit it out so anyone who hasn't played FFX but wants to try it someday (very narrow specification, I know) or who haven't reached that part yet aren't spoiled?

But yeah, really easy once you have that, or simply have an idea of how the battle goes beforehand. The first time through? It's an epic climax fight.

[Temotei]

I always thought the game was really, really easy except for the optional bosses (which I figured out not long after losing the first couple of times) in the monster arena, but I don't mind...though there were those cheap spots, like with the zombie-death combo.

Oh, and this one time, I was in a boss fight with Auron, Tidus, and Yuna. I accidentally killed both Auron and Tidus by making them attack themselves. Yeah, I'm that good.

I think that was against

Spoiler

Seymour Butts's second incarnation.