Murphy's Law 6: Will we ever stop burning through threads so quickly?

[HypoSoc]

Originally Posted by Drakonzeta

Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

In scenario I, any offspring would have 1/2 of a chance to be human, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elves. In scenario II, offspring would have 1/2 chance to be elven, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elven.

[/genetics]

Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

"Species" (used in the broadest of terms since procreation is possible so elves and humans are the same species) are not defined by a single allele variation. Each and every single characteristic has a half-chance to be either. From the ears, to sleep dependency, to constitution, each has a half chance to come from one or the other. This doesn't even count Dominant, Recessive and Partially Dominant genes that would allow for traits that are present in neither to occur, or the forced mutation that occurs in Meiosis.
[/genetics]

[Lix Lorn]

Originally Posted by RdMarquis

Oh, I don't know. Lyrical content aside, she could have a lovely singing voice.

Also, if Serrin and Matt did get married and have kids, would they be Quarter-elves?

Originally Posted by Silverraptor

Actually, they would be human with slight elven characteristics. If Matt was an elf and they were married, the children would be elves with slight human characteristics.

Originally Posted by Drakonzeta

science!

Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse

Those are real world genetics, perhaps in Aquear it is diffrent.

Originally Posted by HypoSoc

SCIENCE!

Putting aside your wanton catgirl slaughtering, , I believe in canonical d&d, half-elf isn't literal. A half-elf, quarter-elf, or eighth-elf, and etcetera to an unspecified amount of elfiness, all use the same rules.

Of course, Coffee can change anything she wants. xD

[Drakonzeta]

Originally Posted by HypoSoc

Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

"Species" (used in the broadest of terms since procreation is possible so elves and humans are the same species) are not defined by a single allele variation. Each and every single characteristic has a half-chance to be either. From the ears, to sleep dependency, to constitution, each has a half chance to come from one or the other. This doesn't even count Dominant, Recessive and Partially Dominant genes that would allow for traits that are present in neither to occur, or the forced mutation that occurs in Meiosis.
[/genetics]

That is completely true, but half elves are as generic as any race (Assuming any stat plusses or minuses are mutations). However, by real genetics, such a race would be widely varied. D&D uses simplified crossings, thus my idea was simplified. Goodness, if real genetics would be applied to half-elves, each one would be enormously different....

[Draconi Redfir]

Originally Posted by Drakonzeta

That is completely true, but half elves are as generic as any race (Assuming any stat plusses or minuses are mutations). However, by real genetics, such a race would be widely varied. D&D uses simplified crossings, thus my idea was simplified. Goodness, if real genetics would be applied to half-elves, each one would be enormously different....

How so? Phenotypicly anyway Elves aren't much more then tall thin humans with an extended life span and pointed ears...

...Really Elves are just white basketball players who happen to be members of greenpeace.

[Silverraptor]

Okay, Gicko, Elves are on average a foot shorter than human's.

And for the other things, there is an actual rule in DnD about this. Children concieved by a half-elf and either one of the other species will result in the full blooded species. Meaning that in the game, the child would have all the same stats as the Human/Elf that is married with the Half-Elf. However, the child will have some characteristics of the other species as well. A human child may have slight tips at the ears as well as a slight elven apperance while the Elf child may have slightly rounded at the top ears and be slighlty taller than normal.

[HalfTangible]

Originally Posted by Drakonzeta

Genetics... Don't... work... that... way....

In scenario I, any offspring would have 1/2 of a chance to be human, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elves. In scenario II, offspring would have 1/2 chance to be elven, and 1/2 of a chance to be half-elven.

[/genetics]

That's assuming 'half-elf' is a different species and genetics don't work THAT way in the real world either.

[Eleanor_Rigby]

Page two is "finished".

Spoiler

I'm having a lot of fun making this.
More readable version can be found here.

I have no idea where Radic got the new clothes from. None.

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by HypoSoc

SCIENCE!!!

It's actually even worse. Some traits may be expressed only if they come from the mother, and some traits may be expressed only if the came from the father. This is due to something called genomic imprinting which can 'tag' genes so they're not expressed. Different genes are tagged in mothers and fathers.

This is why mules and hinnys are different.

And catgirls are only killed if real-world physics is debated. Given Coffee's aversion to physics, this should probably be avoided.

[Jade Dragon]

I think 1/4 elves and 3/4 elves are considered half-elves, in the Eberron campaign setting book, they got a half-elf born to an elf and a half-elf as a sample NPC.

[Lix Lorn]

That's what I said but nobody listened.

[Eleanor_Rigby]

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

That's what I said but nobody listened.

Personally I like to go with half eles being incredibly varied and unpredictable and any mix of elves and humans being "hybrids" and it being an individual's opinion as to whether they're half elves or humans with elven relatives or whatever - like human nationality, basically. My understanding of d&d rules is that you can pretty much take 'em or leave 'em depending on your group and campaign anyway. As for Aequar half elves and their offspring.... yeah, we basically just have to make up our minds for ourselves until Coffee mentions anything about it.

Erm... not to be incredibly egocentric or anything, but did anybody notice the fancomic page I posted? It has a half elf in it...

[Lix Lorn]

I liked it, but I forget where in the plot it's from. DXD

[Jade Dragon]

However, I think 1/8 elves are human and 7/8 elves are elf.

[Eleanor_Rigby]

It's an original scene so basically it didn't happen. The imaginary setting is pre-Kylie exposition though although at the same time possibly in a version of the Murphy's Law universe where Janine at least suspects Lloyd isn't straight? It's hypothetical off-panel/ free time time (maybe after the love potion debacle but before Saphrin's little friendly talk with the guys? in the end it's essentially irrevelent.) I wrote it and drew the base sketches very shortly after the following conversation:

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

RANDOM OFF THE WALL THEORY TO CREATE CONVERSATION

What would happen if (team member) was actually a shapeshifter?

Originally Posted by Lemonus

Well Tinder is a shapeshifter, isn't he?

Originally Posted by Kyuubi

Janine might actually be able to get with Lloyd?

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

I meant shapeshifter like changeling. But I like Kyuubi's answer.

Originally Posted by Strife Warzeal

It is possible for her to get with Lloyd assuming he is not strictly homosexual. Maybe if she changed a bit he would like her more.

At least how I see it, Lloyd might be like Lucas and Cadugan in Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic. [..] Just my thoughts on that.

Radic: Could go male to avoid the advances of Matt.
Matt: Not really sure, Maybe use it to escape law enforcement. I mean he did start out this comic clearly as a thief type.
Janine: Like Kyuubi said, she might go male (once Team Gale knows about Lloyd's sexual orientation) to attract his attention. But then there is what I said above that might mean she could get his attention as a female.
Tinder: I don't really know too much about how he thinks.
Lloyd: He could enter a more "traditional" relationship with Lexi but, as they are already together, they probably don't care too much about that.
Serrin: God (or Coffee) knows what goes on in her head to even guess how that might affect (or is it effect) how she acts.

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

She could get one of them false beards.

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

...
Someone arty draw this. Other than Coffee, she's busy. xD

Originally Posted by Strife Warzeal

I meant emotionally/mentally, though now that you mention it that sounds great.

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

I think Kyuubi was thinking that Janine could turn male, rather than turn into Lexi or someone.

Originally Posted by Kyuubi

Exactly. Maybe she'd turn into the guy from the old spice commercial?

Anybody in the mood to make a spoof of that?

Then life intervened until about yesterday and I couldn't do much about it. (An old spice commercial spoof would have been funny but I think I'm too lazy to do one for y'all).
Part one is on page 19 I think?

[Lix Lorn]

Oooh, okay. (nodnod)

[Asta Kask]

The first one looked like it was going in a lesbian direction. Very promising.

[SoupLadle]

Er... who's Kylie?

[HalfTangible]

Originally Posted by SoupLadle

Er... who's Kylie?

V's mate...

...wait, that's Kyrie... was Kylie Serrin's mom?

[RdMarquis]

Originally Posted by SoupLadle

Er... who's Kylie?

She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.

[Silverraptor]

Originally Posted by HalfTangible

V's mate...

...wait, that's Kyrie... was Kylie Serrin's mom?

Serrin's mom is Saphrin.

[SoupLadle]

Originally Posted by RdMarquis

She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.

Oh, right. I'm usually better with names than this.

[CoffeeIncluded]

Haha, I think I'm gonna enjoy this, Eleanor.

As for the genetics...I guess you should think of mixed-breed dogs. Except that in this case, most of the genes are codominant.

[Eleanor_Rigby]

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

The first one looked like it was going in a lesbian direction. Very promising.

[looks back at comic and sees perfectly platonic conversation between two women]
Huh.
[looks back at name of poster who claimed comic looked like it was going in a lesbian direction]
Ah.
Spot of wishful thinking there methinks, Asta.

Originally Posted by RdMarquis

She's the Drow merchant who recognized Lloyd as the man who killed her brother and led the attack on her village.

Thanks for this; I was going to link back to the comic that gave her name and then couldn't find it so it's probably an easier detail to forget than I first thought!

Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded

Haha, I think I'm gonna enjoy this, Eleanor.

As for the genetics...I guess you should think of mixed-breed dogs. Except that in this case, most of the genes are codominant.

Mixed-breed dogs was actually what I base my thoughts on what half-elves should be like -take the labradoodle for a popular example; supposedly you breed a lab and a poodle and you get a desperately willing to please, obedient and loyal dog (labrador characteristics, although our first lab was only willing to please herself, so this varies even within labs) which is very bright and has fur that does not cast and thus should be more suited to owners with mild allergies (poodle characteristics) but sometimes you just get a dumb stubborn dog who sheds like mad (the 'bad' characteristics of both - labs can be pretty smart but poodles are meant to be smarter and I can vouch for labs being heavy shedders from personal experience). I adore dogs of all shapes and sizes so if I can relate something back to dogs, or more specifically my own dogs or ones I walk for other people, I often will.

And I'm working on page three now so if I don't get too distracted I'll probably be posting it later tonight. In retrospect the pages would probably work best if I'd just waited and posted them all as links in one post, but I've started so I'll finish...

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by Eleanor_Rigby

[looks back at comic and sees perfectly platonic conversation between two women]
Huh.
[looks back at name of poster who claimed comic looked like it was going in a lesbian direction]
Ah.
Spot of wishful thinking there methinks, Asta.

You... honestly don't see how panel 2 and 3 could be misinterpreted? Perhaps I spend too much time in the Explicit section over at the SGU forums.

[Eleanor_Rigby]

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

You... honestly don't see how panel 2 and 3 could be misinterpreted? Perhaps I spend too much time in the Explicit section over at the SGU forums.

Hahaha. No, I did think when I finished that page that it gave off a kind of weird slash-fic vibe but I was hoping that was just me because I honestly didn't write it with that in mind Should have known you'd have pointed it out if you were going to comment on it. Thanks for taking the time to read it anyhoo!

EDITED TO ADD:

Page three is ready.

Spoiler

I wasn't kidding when I said this thing wrote itself. The ideas just came to me a little faster than I was working - it was a bit of a CoffeeIncluded moment! (with admittedly weirder results)

Also, points to anybody who gets the name reference. Special imaginary internet points. If Coffee's online when this goes up I hope she'll get it at least...

Larger, clearer version is here

...And Asta? I wrote the plot and dialogue to all four pages of this a while ago, but I positioned Janine's left hand in panel 1 with you in mind. (Still entirely U/PG content guys, no worries)

[Lycan 01]

That mustache is amazing. O__O

[Marnath]

Well, sometimes people like Janine only get that you mean "No!" if you stomp on them and their feelings much like he just did. That being said, it still makes you feel bad for having to hurt their feelings.

So: aaaawwwww, poor Janine!

[Eleanor_Rigby]

Originally Posted by Lycan 01

That mustache is amazing. O__O

Why, thank you!

I'm fairly sure you'd need a not insignificant amount of product to support such a glorious 'tache without the aid of magic but hey ho... the glory of fantasy settings and cartoony styles...
(A tiny curlicue of the moustache is visible in page two if you look hard enough but I can't really see how it could have been the size it is now and not have been a little more visible from the back. I claim artistic lisence... unless it was still growing in page 2...?)

Originally Posted by Marnath

Well, sometimes people like Janine only get that you mean "No!" if you stomp on them and their feelings much like he just did. That being said, it still makes you feel bad for having to hurt their feelings.

So: aaaawwwww, poor Janine!

Part of me thinks that this is indeed what she needs, although Lloyd's practically already done it in the real comic so... I dunno. I guess we've not really seen her come on to him strongly since the scene with Matt and the cookies though, have we? Can't remember.
It still comes across as rather harsh, particularly as in this scenario she wasn't even doing anything (apart from introducing him in terms that made it clear that she still "liked" him)... Ouch.

[Themrys]

Originally Posted by Raging Gene Ray

Never mind...apparently, Discworld has its own Hedgehog Song...I thought she was referring to a much different Hedgehog Song.

You mean, she isn't going to sing the Discworld hedgehog song?

And I was looking forward to finally find out what the lyrics are...

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by Themrys

You mean, she isn't going to sing the Discworld hedgehog song?

And I was looking forward to finally find out what the lyrics are...

The Hedgehog Song.