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Old 06-25-2011, 11:38 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default Will we find out V's Gender?

I heard that the author wouldn't reveal V's gender in the comic somewhere, is that true?
If so, can you link me to the post?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:43 AM   Top  -  End  -  #2
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A: I will never reveal the truth! Bwahaha! Keep in mind that while certain other characters might refer to V as being male or female, that simply reveals their perception.not the actual reality of the situation.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:48 AM   Top  -  End  -  #3
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:50 AM   Top  -  End  -  #4
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:04 PM   Top  -  End  -  #5
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WHY CRUEL WORLD, WHY?!
Awwwww... why be so evil?
Because then there will be something always there for us to speculate about, instead of resorting to saying that anyone with a ponytail is related to Haley is our search for new speculation material? Or now Rich doesn't want to decide.

But you can still debate about it over in this thread, where there are good points for both gender.
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #6
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If we knew which pronoun to use for V, what would we talk about between comics? Be reasonable, here!
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:38 PM   Top  -  End  -  #7
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If we knew which pronoun to use for V, what would we talk about between comics? Be reasonable, here!
Belkar's death? Miko's return? The possibilities are endless!
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #8
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If we knew which pronoun to use for V, what would we talk about between comics? Be reasonable, here!
We could speculate about what might happen in the next month's comic

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Old 06-25-2011, 01:30 PM   Top  -  End  -  #9
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WHY CRUEL WORLD, WHY?!
Awwwww... why be so evil?
V's gender at this point is completely irrelevant to the character. I hardly see how the revelation of what genitalia he/she has will change the character at all, unless you force gender stereotypes onto the character after the fact.

I just don't see the appeal. Especially give that we've already seen plenty of gender-neutral elves, to the point where gender defined make up a distinct minority.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #10
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If we knew which pronoun to use for V, what would we talk about between comics? Be reasonable, here!
*mumbles something about 'Not starting with THAT again'*

Meh, there is enough stuff people can discuss... like their favorite crack pairings or Roy and Celia's sex life or Haley and Elan's sex life or Tsukiko and Xykon's sex life...
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #11
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I believe we will find out V's gender. It will be the final panel of the final comic, in order to end on a joke after whatever bittersweet ending the giant has come up with.

A la the finale of friends.
*sad moment of everyone going seperate ways*
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Old 06-25-2011, 03:27 PM   Top  -  End  -  #12
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Old 06-25-2011, 03:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #13
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V is actually Schrodingersexual. S/he is genderless until someone looks inside his/her pants and the act of observation determines the gender.

In other news, I hear the groaning of an undead horse being flogged.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:27 PM   Top  -  End  -  #14
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Don't even joke about that, man. Just... don't.
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:18 PM   Top  -  End  -  #15
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Awwwww... why be so evil?
I always assumed it was part of the joke, a parody of the type of player who doesn't bother with that social background stuff. Though V broke from that stereotype when (s)he started displaying concern for family.
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Old 06-26-2011, 03:16 PM   Top  -  End  -  #16
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I believe we will find out V's gender. It will be the final panel of the final comic, in order to end on a joke after whatever bittersweet ending the giant has come up with.

A la the finale of friends.
*sad moment of everyone going seperate ways*
"lets get coffee"
"sure, but where?"
We won't.more letter
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Old 06-26-2011, 03:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #17
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We never will find out. I've always assumed she was female because she rooms with Haley only.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:18 PM   Top  -  End  -  #18
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We never will find out. I've always assumed she was female because she rooms with Haley only.
We don't get to see any evidence of this until they're out of Dorukan's Dungeon. For the first 100+ strips, did you think V was female?
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:55 PM   Top  -  End  -  #19
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We don't get to see any evidence of this until they're out of Dorukan's Dungeon. For the first 100+ strips, did you think V was female?
Yes. I originally thought she was wearing a dress.
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Old 06-26-2011, 09:18 PM   Top  -  End  -  #20
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The later posts seem like something for the Gender Debate Thread, especially now that duskwing's question has been answered.
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Old 06-26-2011, 09:24 PM   Top  -  End  -  #21
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Sorry. I'll move over there.
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Old 06-26-2011, 09:29 PM   Top  -  End  -  #22
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I thought it was a joke about people who don't bother filling out the top part of their character sheet at all, yeah. Gender, height, weight, age, eye colour ... problem is, most of those have to be represented in a visual medium.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:41 AM   Top  -  End  -  #23
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We won't find out about the gender.

Rich stated somewhere (books?) he did not plan the gender-ambiguity of Vaarsuivus but that he saw people on the forum start to discuss (that should make this the oldest debate on the forum, btw) what gender that elf was - and he decided to simply stick with this and turn it into a recurring joke.

Since then, we have seen so many references that Vaarsuvius himself seems to be aware of that ambiguity and also tries to evade that question (e.g. Origin of PCs, he first drops a blob of ink in the field and then rejects to correct it or his comment to Sabine in Azure City) so it's - to me - likely Vaarsuvius simply does not have a gender at all (or both at the same time).

Anyway: That question will not get resolved. And I think the reason for that - beyond the "keeping the joke" - it's because there is no actual answer to that question (anymore).
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:28 AM   Top  -  End  -  #24
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V is beyond gender, within Shcler trousers V holds what cannot be comprehended by mortal minds. The proper way to refer to V is likely 'Schleer' or 'Schlee'.
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V's gender at this point is completely irrelevant to the character.
Indeed. At best, such revelation wouldn't add nothing: It's much better to keep it unrevealed.

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Old 06-27-2011, 10:54 AM   Top  -  End  -  #26
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V is beyond gender, within Shcler trousers V holds what cannot be comprehended by mortal minds. The proper way to refer to V is likely 'Schleer' or 'Schlee'.
Not if a certain poster in the Gender Debate Thread has anything to say about it. (In joke, sorry)
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:13 AM   Top  -  End  -  #27
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We're better off not knowing...
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:15 AM   Top  -  End  -  #28
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There's no point speculating because we know for a fact that Rich adds plenty of evidence for either one.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:43 PM   Top  -  End  -  #30
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I used to hope as much, but it seems not to be the case.

I...actually read through the whole comic thinking that V was a walking elves-are-andrygonous joke and was definitely supposed to be male. And he's such a typical male in personality and name suffix that it's hard to shake the thought, even though Fem-V is more interesting somehow.
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