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2011-05-12, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XXI. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".
Contestants: You will need to present your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:
Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.
Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.
Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59pm CUT on Thursday, May 26th 2011 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, true_shinken. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.
Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.
I am going to have to ask the contestants to PM me about any disagreement with the judges. Under no circumstances is a contestant to defend themselves inside the thread, since it breaks anonymity.
Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack<br>Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
1st|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
CodeSpoiler[b]NAME OF ENTRY[/b]
{table=head][b]Level[/b]|[B]Class[/B]|[b]Base Attack<br>Bonus[/b]|[b]Fort Save[/b]|[b]Ref Save[/b]|[b]Will Save[/b]|[B]Skills[/B]|[B]Feats[/B]|[b]Class Features[/b]
1st|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)SpoilerSpells per day/Spells Known
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th
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For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners.
So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for about 5 judges and as many contestants as feel like playing!
This week's special ingredient is:
Sword & Fist's Ghostwalker!
We will have trophies for 1st through 3rd places, as well as a special trophy for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.
Allez optimiser!
Judges
Kuulvheysoon
kestrel404
gbprime
Contestants
z3ro
Amphetryon
yugi24862
ILM
Thurbane
Amechra
SartheKobold
OMGPonies
The Builds
Past Competitions
Iron Chef I: Entropomancer
Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
Iron Chef V: War Chanter
Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
Iron Chef XII: War Mind
Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
Iron Chef XX: Incandescent ChampionLast edited by true_shinken; 2011-05-26 at 11:44 AM.
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2011-05-12, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Wow. I think this source may be a bit too obscure for most possible competitors, myself included. I'll need to see if I can get my hands on a copy.
EDIT: Okay, not obscure, but still 3.0. And the book has been ordered.
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2011-05-12, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Yea, this looks a bit obscure. From what I can find its a interesting class, but going to try and get a copy of Sword&Fist.
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2011-05-12, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Hm, maybe I went a bit overboard on this one. I thought most people would still have the book from their 3.0 days (it's the case with most of my friends), specially because they were cheaper.
If it does turn out to be too obscure, I might roll this as a side contest and choose another secret ingredient. It's just that this class is a perfect Secret Ingredient.
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2011-05-12, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
I not only have a copy, but I've actually USED this before. (well, for a friend... but the campaign went to 18th level, so it got quite the field test!)
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Ding, You've Got Trophies!Spoiler
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist but you have ceased to live. - Samuel Clemens
Oh, and DFTBA.
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2011-05-12, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
I may compete in this one, have to get home and actually look at the class. Otherwise I'll judge if needed.
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2011-05-12, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
I've got a copy; I'll compete.
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2011-05-12, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
I'm competing aswell. Now how to build something which does'nt abuse intimidate?
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2011-05-12, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
I love sword & fist. Great choice. I'm hoping to see Lasher one day to be honest, but I think I may enter this ... thanks for hosting!
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2011-05-12, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2011-05-12, 03:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Huh. I can honestly say I didn't see that coming.
I do have a copy of S&F somewhere. When I get home, I'll take a look at it. No comment yet on whether I'll be entering, judging, or watching.In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2011-05-12, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Ooooh... Gotta try this one.
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2011-05-12, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Errr...what? Weeell, will I have a hit to elegance for using 3,5 material?
English isn't my native. Sorry for all misunderstandings.
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2011-05-12, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Alright, this looks like it could be cool. Count me in as a contestant.
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2011-05-12, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Of course not. The contest is 3.5, after all.
A reminder - 3.0 meterial is officially legal in 3.5.
I would add a link to Wizards' official statement, but I'm lazy
I'm not saying it won't happen under my watch... but don't hold your breath for that one.Last edited by true_shinken; 2011-05-12 at 05:04 PM.
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2011-05-12, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Goddammit. Here's one that I really want to do, and I'm leaving tomorrow for a 2 week vacation with NO internet/book access.
Oh well. Count me in for some judging.
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2011-05-12, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Wow. Now that is a gorram bizarre PrC. 3.0 had some weird crap in it, huh? (Not that 3.5 is any better, of course, but hey.)
Still, (Ex) access to the Ethereal and the Plane of Shadow? Very weird indeed.
I have a hunch that I know something that's going to knock some folks down in Originality this time. Not sayin' what, though.
I do have a (terrible, terrible) idea for a build that works strictly on thematics and not at all on mechanics, but I'll just let it germinate in my head and see if anything comes of it. Highly unlikely, since I do need to put at least something mechanical in there, but . . . weird.
I do love how the entry requirements basically say "no Incarnates!"
Still no promises about judging/entering/watching.Last edited by Zaq; 2011-05-12 at 09:38 PM.
In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2011-05-12, 07:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2011-05-12, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Interesting - I have the book,
but I'll have a think about whether I have time to compete or not...
Couple of questions about the class: the Painful Reckoning, Resolute Aura, Anonymity, Feign Death, Superior Iron Will, Etherealness and Shadow Walk abilities don't have Ex, Sp or Su tags.
Is there any errata? If not, I'd suggest as follows:
Painful Reckoning (Ex) [As Berserker Strength ACF]
Resolute Aura (Su) [As Aura of Despair]
Anonymity (Su) [?]
Feign Death (Ex) [As per the very similar ACF of the same name in Exemplars of Evil]
Superior Iron Will (Ex) [As per the Still Mind class feature]
Etherealness (Sp)
Shadow Walk (Sp)
[edit] Just checked the official 3.5 errata for S&F:
Resolute Aura (Ex)
Feign Death (Sp)
Etherealness (Sp)
Shadow Walk (Sp) [/edit]
P.S. I'm in as a competitor.Last edited by Thurbane; 2011-05-12 at 08:16 PM.
My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2011-05-12, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2011-05-12, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-12, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2011-05-12, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-13, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
So um, what's the "Intuit Direction" skill in 3.5?
God, didn't know they actually made a PrC with the 3 worst feats in Core as prerequisites...
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2011-05-13, 06:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
But what to do when the errata contradicts the errata? From later on in the same errata:
Originally Posted by Sword & Fist Errata, page 4
Originally Posted by Sword & Fist Errata, page 4
Originally Posted by FAQ, page 2
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2011-05-13, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-13, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Clarification of Painful Reckoning, please. Are you a) required to lose 50% of your HP in the course of the battle or b) required to have your HP total fall below 50% of its normal maximum?
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2011-05-13, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Sounds like you must lose more than half your maximum HP. So if you have 100 max hp, you must lose 50 regardless of where you actually start the encounter. The way I read it, it also means that if you lose 50 hp overall but actually heal, say, for 30 hp during the fight (ending the fight 20 hp below your starting total), you'd still activate Painful Reckoning.
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2011-05-13, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
Also, Knowledge (Law) as a class skill. Ah, yeah...sometimes 3.0 -> 3.5 don't translate so good!
My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2011-05-13, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXI
May I be the first to groan over the bonus to intimidate on a warrior chassis.
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