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Old 10-05-2011, 03:29 PM   Top  -  End  -  #121
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Wow. People do still care about my project. Yay!

Well, as concerns the succubus, I think the Charisma is honestly high enough as is. It beats out what the Silver Dragon gets in only seven levels and matches it in five. I could make a racial PRC, but that's about the extent of what I'd be comfortable with without feedback from more people.

I'll see what I can do with your requests when I get the chance. First I need to attend to some requests my girlfriend made, and I have to go for abour 3 hours. Her requests are fairly low level is one of the reasons.
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I have a request: an ectoplasmic dragon from the mind's eye updates.
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Wow. People do still care about my project. Yay!

Well, as concerns the succubus, I think the Charisma is honestly high enough as is. It beats out what the Silver Dragon gets in only seven levels and matches it in five. I could make a racial PRC, but that's about the extent of what I'd be comfortable with without feedback from more people.

I'll see what I can do with your requests when I get the chance. First I need to attend to some requests my girlfriend made, and I have to go for abour 3 hours. Her requests are fairly low level is one of the reasons.
I'm fine with that. I understand I'm just one opinion, and in this case it is most certainly an opinion.

And I can wait on the requests. =)
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I really like the Hoard ability. Really liike it.

It's better than Omalesco's Tarrasque thing and i'm probably going to include it on actual dragons in my games, maybe as a feat. I'm not sure what to make of the extra actions thing; you already have a lot of attacks, but then again, you've resisted the oh-so-dull "give it pounce!" response, which i applaude.

Overall, i think it looks pretty playable throughout its lineup, not auto-win powerful, but certainly enough to give a none "i win" caster a run for it's money and stand well against ToB classes.
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I'm fine with that. I understand I'm just one opinion, and in this case it is most certainly an opinion.

And I can wait on the requests. =)
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I really like the Hoard ability. Really liike it.

It's better than Omalesco's Tarrasque thing and i'm probably going to include it on actual dragons in my games, maybe as a feat. I'm not sure what to make of the extra actions thing; you already have a lot of attacks, but then again, you've resisted the oh-so-dull "give it pounce!" response, which i applaude.

Overall, i think it looks pretty playable throughout its lineup, not auto-win powerful, but certainly enough to give a none "i win" caster a run for it's money and stand well against ToB classes.
Extra actions? What do you mean by that?

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I have a request: an ectoplasmic dragon from the mind's eye updates.
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While I do want to do things people in general want, I should mention a few things.

1. High CR creatures, especially dragons, take a long amount of time to do. You know the Silver Dragon? That took me months to get done before I even posted it, and it's barely recognizable compared to the original. Creature of CR 10 or less are usually preferable, though I can try and work on higher ones regardless. I do want to come back to dragons at some point, but right now I want to branch out a bit.
2. I'm not that familiar with Psionics, so I'm extremely hesitant about creating a class that uses them. Same with Incarnum and Binding.
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The ability Volcano, is what i refer to. I'm kinda distrustful of anything involving extra actions, just in general.
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The ability Volcano, is what i refer to. I'm kinda distrustful of anything involving extra actions, just in general.
Ah, right. Not sure why that wasn't processing.

Well, this was based off of an earlier version of the dragon, so it hasn't been through the rigorous editing the Silver Dragon went through. Heck, nobody even made comments about it when it was first put up.

Hmm. Got any ideas for replacement abilities?
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:16 PM   Top  -  End  -  #128
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Part of me is thinking that a pyroclastic flow type move, with maybe 10-15 ft of movement as a Swift action [maybe a Move at first off] that's treated much like a Trample move, so you can kind of dozer around the battlefield.

It just seems appropriate for something that's an intelligent force of nature.
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Part of me is thinking that a pyroclastic flow type move, with maybe 10-15 ft of movement as a Swift action [maybe a Move at first off] that's treated much like a Trample move, so you can kind of dozer around the battlefield.

It just seems appropriate for something that's an intelligent force of nature.
Hmm. I'll think on this.
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Kulumar


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Kulumars are eyeless predators with a mystical affinity for shadow. Fast, muscular, and agile, Kulumars stand 8 to 10 feet tall and weigh an average of 400 pounds. Their hairless skin is an almost reflective blue, and their long limbs end in black claws useful for clinging to walls and ceilings. From the bottom of Kulumars' worm-like heads grow stalks that allow them to sense their surroundings. Kulumars naturally cast no shadows. But can steal shadows from other creatures.

Kulumars are known to ally themselves with Aboleths and Drow, or perform services in return for knowledge or magic. They are treacherous and deceitful, but generally twist words instead of lying outright. If Kulumars were slightly less belligerent and enigmatic, they would easily find friends among the underworld races.

Adventures: Kulumars often adventure to obtain shadow slaves, or to find knowledge and magic. Most Kulumars are not actually casters, but have a fondness for magic all the same. Kulumars will also accept bribes of the aforementioned things to do mercenary work.

Religion: Kulumars are not known for worshiping any deity.

Ecology/background: It is unknown whether Kulumars reproduce, as there exists no documentation of Kulumar young. It is believed that Kulumars are Sexless and that only a set number exist. A leading theory holds that Kulumars are shadows cast on the material plane by some extra-planar monster but Kulumars respond to this notion with politely amused descriptions of indecipherable esoterica.

Kulumars lurk in the deepest parts of the earth, wandering alone through tunnels and caverns. Some collect arcana, while others seem intent on destroying all intelligent beings they find. They never associate with each other, but readily talk to those who question them, even during combat. They are polite and articulate, and occasionally helpful, but often difficult to understand. Questions about their nature, habits, and purpose are answered with talk of penumbras, the “Low world,” and the “Blue shadow,” and Kulumars seem unable to define these terms without relating them to each Other. Kulumars can discuss most other issues rationally.

Languages: Kulumars speak undercommon, and can speak additional languages with each point of Intelligence bonus they have as per normal.

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As much as I'd like to have something more substantial here, I don't know what to say about them other than that they're Horses with Wings. Pegasi are often white, but there are some reported to be Yellow, Blue, Pink, and a few that are said to have manes that are Pink, Purple, or even every color of the rainbow.


Religion: The Pegasi who do worship gods tend to worship gods of nature, or gods who control some natural element. Most often, they worship the deities of the sun and moon as long as the tenets of said deities do not conflict with their own moral dispositions.

Adventures: Pegasi most often adventure with good aligned beings, serving as mounts. Pegasi occasionally leave their homes to adventure on their own, often as some sort of service to either their home, or any gods they may serve.

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Pegasi live in clouds or forest in isolation almost exclusively. They are often shy and reclusive, so they do not prefer highly populated areas. Besides the fact that they are not well received by the “Civilized” races for various reasons, said races tend to kidnap their young and raise them as mounts.

If a Pegasus plans on raising children, they tend to leave their clouds homes temporarily to raise them on the ground. Newborn Pegasi cannot yet walk on clouds as more developed ones can, and so cloud homes are no longer viable. Once a youngling Pegasus can cloudwalk, the family often moves back to the clouds, unless the settlement they find on the ground proves better.

Pegasi have a natural association with nature. Many prefer the clouds, but Pegasi moving down to forests to get in touch with the animals there is far from unheard of. Such Pegasi tend to be Druids or Rangers for the animal companion feature.

Languages: Pegasi begin play knowing Common and can understand other languages for each point of intelligence bonus as per usual. While it's not unheard of for Pegasi to speak, they are often only able to communicate through body language.

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Were-Tiger (SRD)


Description and details: Were-Tigers come from all over. In their human forms, they can be just about anything from little kids to wizened Elders.

In their Hybrid and Tiger forms, Were-tigers tend to have little variation, at least to the common eye. Were-Tigers can be any variety, including Albino or even black.


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Lycanthropes are just as varied as humans and giants when it comes to adventure. They'll search for anything that appeals to them, kill anything that threatens them, or walk in the service of a greater Good, or evil as the case my be.

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Lycanthropes have no natural alignements. You are as likely to meet a Lawful Good Were-Tiger as you are a chaotic Evil Were-Tiger.

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Lycanthropes tend to worship whatever deities they worshipped before being transformed, or worship deities of the night if they give in to the beast, or revel in their new forms.

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Lycanthropes get along well with most classes. The only exceptions are excessively zealous Paladins or clerics.

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I'll be working on a few other things while I'm waiting for more requests. I'll give priority to my Girlfriend's and Metahuman's requests (except the really high level one you requested Metahuaman) if I don't receive any further requests, but I'll also be working on other stuff at the same time.

For now, sleeptime.

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So far it looks very good. Thank you, I'm quite pleased with this one!

And Take your time with the High level one. I'm in no hurry. And I understand coming second on the priority's list too a lady friend entirely.
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So far it looks very good. Thank you, I'm quite pleased with this one!
I'm glad.

Any requests besides the one you sent me in PM? I was thinking of doing Centaur or Treant after I finish the other ones my girlfriend wanted, but I was wondering if there was anything else I should work on?
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Those could both prove interesting, and I always like to see different takes on Centaurs and Other Tauric creatures.

And if your still looking for ideas beyond that, Lilliend could make for an interesting one. I don't think it get's enough love really.
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why are these only dragon-specific? these would be fitting for a number of creatures: trolls and ogres, dire animals, etc.

i will take a good look at the weretiger and pegasus when i have time, but so far they look pretty cool, and it is nice to see you still working on them.
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why are these only dragon-specific? these would be fitting for a number of creatures: trolls and ogres, dire animals, etc.
That's what they were in the book. I'll just try to make the pre-requisites such that you have a reasonable way to gain the benefits.
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Actually, I looked at Weretiger again. And I'm curious, why only Humanoids and Giants? Why not Goblinoids and Monstrous Humanoids as well? I'd think it would be thematically fitting, or was there something I'm overlooking with that? A Balance Issue I missed or some such?



Not complaining, I still say you did a great job, but it was something I got curious about looking at the class a second time. =)
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Actually, I looked at Weretiger again. And I'm curious, why only Humanoids and Giants? Why not Goblinoids and Monstrous Humanoids as well? I'd think it would be thematically fitting, or was there something I'm overlooking with that? A Balance Issue I missed or some such?

That was the requirement on the original Lycanthrope. I can change that easily.

Also, should I change Succubus to a template? To me, it seems like it should have been one in the first place.
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Huh, so it was. I always remembered it as Humanoids and Monsterous Humanoids.

And yes, that, I think, would be a nifty little change. Makes it a bit more open access and offers some other encounter options for DM's who want to use it while creating a bigger pool of options to go with it for PC's.





And with regards to Succubus being a template, that could actually be a cool change. Who doesn't like being able to add Cha boosts and ability's too a race described as being beautiful or Charismatic anyway? Gives you something to Enhance flavor.
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Huh, so it was. I always remembered it as Humanoids and Monsterous Humanoids.

And yes, that, I think, would be a nifty little change. Makes it a bit more open access and offers some other encounter options for DM's who want to use it while creating a bigger pool of options to go with it for PC's.
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And with regards to Succubus being a template, that could actually be a cool change. Who doesn't like being able to add Cha boosts and ability's too a race described as being beautiful or Charismatic anyway? Gives you something to Enhance flavor.
How about a base Charisma score of 14 or 16 as a pre-requisite? Maybe a certain number of ranks in a specific skill? I could also see the template helping out with Bardic music.
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Ok, how about base 14, and requires four ranks in Bluff and Diplomacy, and two ranks in Preform? Keeps it reasonably accessible but will make it a bit harder for Cha heavy Teir 2 and higher classes like Sorcerer and Favored soul to tack on in order to load up on extra castings a day/Higher DC's/Other goodness form a Jacked up Cha?

Seem reasonable?
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Ok, how about base 14, and requires four ranks in Bluff and Diplomacy, and two ranks in Preform? Keeps it reasonably accessible but will make it a bit harder for Cha heavy Tier 2 and higher classes like Sorcerer and Favored soul to tack on in order to load up on extra castings a day/Higher DC's/Other goodness form a Jacked up Cha?

Seem reasonable?
I don't really see any reason to try and prevent sorcerer or favored soul from it. In order to even get an extra +1 modifier, the sorcerer has to take enough levels such that they will never get 9th level spells short of epic level games or gestalt.

Not sure about the Favored Soul bit. I don't have Complete Divine.

I'd like for it to be slightly better for a Bard to take. Any possible way for me to do that? Or is it pretty good as is?
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Ok, ideas for Succubus.

Give it a more Bard like class skills list and 6 skill points a level. That way Bards who Value the use of there skills won't feel like there sacrificing that to get the template.

Make it not take away all other racial traits. That way the Draconic creature or Catfolk Bard don't feel there having to give up a bunch of potentially nice things to use this Template/class.

Make it get Bard casting per Succubus level, and make the Bard casting stack with PRC's that advance bard casting (Like Sublime Cord.), and with actual Bard levels.

Make it progress (but not in and of itself grant.) bardic Music ability's and uses and DC's.

Make it progress (but not in and of itself grant.) Bardic Knowledge/Knack.

I saw you removed the Cha to AC that the original Savage Species progression granted the Succubus. I'd suggest putting it back. Mildly helpful for casters, but very good for a Melee Snowflake Wardance+Optimized Inspire Courage Bard build, and spiffy for a sit back and use Bardic Music and cast spells/use UMD build in case something decides he looks squishy enough to one shot and hurt the nice things the party was getting form him. Which any monster with an Int of 8 or 9 could eventually figure out, and anything with an int 13 or higher has no excuse NOT to have figured out by the second round of combat.

And one last big one.

IF they take all the levels of the class/template, allow them to have a special ability that doubles there Bonuses to hit and damage form Inspire Courage, but deals None Lethal Damage too them while they use it. Yes, this is basically words of creation. But it rewards the bard by not forcing them to be Exalted good (Something a LOT of DM's punish willfully.) to get the ability, and by saving them a feat they can now invest in something else. For a Sorcerer or a Begualer or a Binder, that's nothing special. For a Bard, that is HUGH! BTW, the fact that it's HUGH is also why it's a Capstone.
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Ok, ideas for Succubus.

Give it a more Bard like class skills list and 6 skill points a level. That way Bards who Value the use of there skills won't feel like there sacrificing that to get the template.
That seems reasonable I guess.

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Make it not take away all other racial traits. That way the Draconic creature or Catfolk Bard don't feel there having to give up a bunch of potentially nice things to use this Template/class.
It won't. Templates don't take away previous features.

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Make it get Bard casting per Succubus level, and make the Bard casting stack with PRC's that advance bard casting (Like Sublime Cord.), and with actual Bard levels.
That seems a little strong.

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Make it progress (but not in and of itself grant.) bardic Music ability's and uses and DC's.

Make it progress (but not in and of itself grant.) Bardic Knowledge/Knack.
That seems reasonable.

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I saw you removed the Cha to AC that the original Savage Species progression granted the Succubus. I'd suggest putting it back. Mildly helpful for casters, but very good for a Melee Snowflake Wardance+Optimized Inspire Courage Bard build, and spiffy for a sit back and use Bardic Music and cast spells/use UMD build in case something decides he looks squishy enough to one shot and hurt the nice things the party was getting form him. Which any monster with an Int of 8 or 9 could eventually figure out, and anything with an int 13 or higher has no excuse NOT to have figured out by the second round of combat.
I wasn't going off the Savage Species version. I was working purely with what the SRD gave me. I'm not sure about the AC boost.

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IF they take all the levels of the class/template, allow them to have a special ability that doubles there Bonuses to hit and damage form Inspire Courage, but deals None Lethal Damage too them while they use it. Yes, this is basically words of creation. But it rewards the bard by not forcing them to be Exalted good (Something a LOT of DM's punish willfully.) to get the ability, and by saving them a feat they can now invest in something else. For a Sorcerer or a Beguiler or a Binder, that's nothing special. For a Bard, that is HUGH! BTW, the fact that it's HUGH is also why it's a Capstone.
Hmm. I do like this. I could even make the class require a bit of investment so it couldn't be entered until later like with other PRCs, and so getting that as a capstone would be fairly reasonable. And the class itself still works even for non-bards. Though, I will make a note that it doesn't stack with Words of Creation.

However, advancing all bard features in addition to what it gives you seems a little too strong. Just my personal opinion.

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could you do a nightmare monster class?
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Ah, ok. I remembered they got it in Savage species, not sure if there listed as getting it in SRD off the top of my head, and I'm going to be soon so not much time to check I'm afraid.

And yes, make a note that it doesn't stack with Words of Creation. The idea is one or the other so that you have role play options, not one then the other for a Tim Allen more power approach.

And as for the spell casting, maybe just make it so it advances Bard spell casting then? Or just advances Spell casting in general? Couple with slightly higher requirements so that it comes out more like a PRC then a base class and it won't be too broken.
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And as for the spell casting, maybe just make it so it advances Bard spell casting then? Or just advances Spell casting in general? Couple with slightly higher requirements so that it comes out more like a PRC then a base class and it won't be too broken.
Given all the other stuff a bard would get going through this theoretical modification, I just don't think it really needs spellcasting too.
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Ok, just a though. =)
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Ok, just a though. =)
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