General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants

[golentan]

Elemental Lens + Elemental Bolt + Fire Aspect + 1 Mote = 12L Damage?
Elemental Lens + Refining the Inner Blade (Greatsword) + Fire Aspect = Strength + 22L Damage?

Is that right? That seems abnormally cheap to get to rocket tag damage levels. The WP cost of Inner Blade might be a bit rough, but other than that it's less than half the attunement cost and even higher damage than the Grand Goremaul.

Also, would anyone be willing to run an Alchemicals game? I've got a somewhat delusional Jade Industrialist I'd like to play. I don't care if it's autocthonia or post seal breach or what, I'd just like a game that doesn't die.

[The Rose Dragon]

Elemental Lens is generally unbalanced. More so when applied to necrotic Charms, since most of them are Abyssal-level in strength.

[golentan]

Yeah, I saw that note in the description and basically went "Yeah, I'm not even going to think about how crazy that must get."

[Qaera]

knightMARE is recruiting for an Alchemicals game right now, in the Recruitment section.

[The Rose Dragon]

I had a most terrible idea. It is, sticking to canon, virtually impossible (possibly completely impossible), but it is such a bad idea it won't leave my mind.

Basically, one of the Solars who escaped the Usurpation somehow survives to the present day and submits himself to Dimming of the Light. What would the result be? How would the Deathlords react? What would his social status in the Underworld be like? What kind of Essence 7+ Abyssal Charms might he invent?

[golentan]

Originally Posted by AThousandWords

knightMARE is recruiting for an Alchemicals game right now, in the Recruitment section.

I'd like something with more of a promise of success than I've found with signing up for things in the recruitment threads, but thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

[Feriority]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

What kind of Essence 7+ Abyssal Charms might he invent?

Well, I know this is an out-of-left-field theory, but...

Essence 7+ Solar charms with a more deathy flavor to them?

[Lix Lorn]

Booooooooooooooooo!

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Feriority

Well, I know this is an out-of-left-field theory, but...

Essence 7+ Solar charms with a more deathy flavor to them?

The problem is that Essence 7 Solar Charms are usually distinctly Solar, without clear death-aspected analogues. I mean, while there might be a theoretical mirror to Shinmaic Calibration, it would be vastly different from the mirror. Consider that, even at Essence 3, only the most basic Charms, such as perfect defenses, tend to have straight-forward mirrors. While basic effects are likely to remain the same, the more esoteric ones should be distinctly Abyssal.

[Indon]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

I had a most terrible idea. It is, sticking to canon, virtually impossible (possibly completely impossible), but it is such a bad idea it won't leave my mind.

Basically, one of the Solars who escaped the Usurpation somehow survives to the present day and submits himself to Dimming of the Light. What would the result be? How would the Deathlords react? What would his social status in the Underworld be like? What kind of Essence 7+ Abyssal Charms might he invent?

What precisely does Dimming of the Light do? Does it turn you into a living Abyssal?

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Indon

What precisely does Dimming of the Light do? Does it turn you into a living Abyssal?

Well, all Abyssals are living, but yes. Basically, it reverses the Essence of a Solar, making them into an Abyssal without any loss of power. It also binds that particular Exaltation into a Monstrance.

[Indon]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

Well, all Abyssals are living, but yes. Basically, it reverses the Essence of a Solar, making them into an Abyssal without any loss of power. It also binds that particular Exaltation into a Monstrance.

It's not an Abyssal or Solar charm, I would hope? Because then it'd presumably have a Mirror version!

[The Rose Dragon]

It's a Void Circle spell. Solars cannot cast it themselves.

[TheCountAlucard]

It also states in the very same book that said spell may not even exist.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by TheCountAlucard

It also states in the very same book that said spell may not even exist.

No, that's Call the Black Sun, which does a different thing. Dimming of the Light has canonically been used before, after all.

[TheCountAlucard]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

No, that's Call the Black Sun, which does a different thing. Dimming of the Light has canonically been used before, after all.

Oops, my bad.

On that note, any bets on how long it takes my PCs to go Heretical?

[Friv]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

I had a most terrible idea. It is, sticking to canon, virtually impossible (possibly completely impossible), but it is such a bad idea it won't leave my mind.

Basically, one of the Solars who escaped the Usurpation somehow survives to the present day and submits himself to Dimming of the Light. What would the result be? How would the Deathlords react? What would his social status in the Underworld be like? What kind of Essence 7+ Abyssal Charms might he invent?

He would be a Deathlord, but unconstrained by the Passions that force the Deathlords to be shadows of people instead of devastating forces of necrotic doom. In short, he would be a horror the likes of which Creation has never seen.

[Geigan]

One more question about movement. Can you move and attack/flurry and then continue your move if you still have some left? Say I have 6 yards to move and I want to move to the target smack him and keep moving, sort of like a hit-and-run. Is that a thing?

[DeadManSleeping]

I feel like there's a Charm that lets you do that...but I don't think you can hit-and-run in the same action in normal rules.

[TheCountAlucard]

Sure thing: if your movement is a Dash/Jump action, you can even include it in your Flurry! If it's just ordinary movement, then you can move reflexively once per tick, so you could (for your action)...

1) Move up to opponent.
2) Flurry him for X attacks as a Speed (whatever) action.
3) Reflexively move once per tick until your next turn.

[Geigan]

Originally Posted by TheCountAlucard

Sure thing: if your movement is a Dash/Jump action, you can even include it in your Flurry! If it's just ordinary movement, then you can move reflexively once per tick, so you could (for your action)...

1) Move up to opponent.
2) Flurry him for X attacks as a Speed (whatever) action.
3) Reflexively move once per tick until your next turn.

So essentially you can use the move action as much as you want as long as you don't go over your yard limit for that tick in total? Awesome

[Tavar]

Question regarding Flurries and extra action charms. I'm correct in surmizing that you can't combine mundane flurries with extra action charms. For instance, making a Dash action and a charm such as Iron Whirlwind or Trance of Unhesitating Speed isn't possible, with the rules in their current state.

[TheCountAlucard]

Originally Posted by Tavar

Question regarding Flurries and extra action charms. I'm correct in surmizing that you can't combine mundane flurries with extra action charms. For instance, making a Dash action and a charm such as Iron Whirlwind or Trance of Unhesitating Speed isn't possible, with the rules in their current state.

Pretty much, but that's because Extra Action Charms like Iron Whirlwind Attack and Trance of Unhesitating Speed only allow for certain kinds of actions. If you go with the Adorjan Extra Action Charms, however, you'll find they're much more versatile.

[Lochar]

The Snake Style extra action charm works that way too. It gives you actions that can be used for anything.

[DragonSinged]

So I know that somewhere in Creation (Southeast, maybe?) there are those weird black & white hairless monkey/panda people. And I guess Chayans are generally very tall with white hair? Haltans have green hair, and people from the west can have hair of various purple/blue shades.
So, what else is out there? I'm curious as to what other weird looking (but still valid for Exaltation) people are out there in creation. I guess there was a minotaur or something that Exalted? What else?

[Kyeudo]

Originally Posted by DragonSinged

So I know that somewhere in Creation (Southeast, maybe?) there are those weird black & white hairless monkey/panda people. And I guess Chayans are generally very tall with white hair? Haltans have green hair, and people from the west can have hair of various purple/blue shades.
So, what else is out there? I'm curious as to what other weird looking (but still valid for Exaltation) people are out there in creation. I guess there was a minotaur or something that Exalted? What else?

Anything and everything. There are batmen, lizardmen, the dune people, the people of the air, birdmen, mole people, and more. If you can imagine it, it probably exists in Creation.

[DragonSinged]

Originally Posted by Kyeudo

Anything and everything. There are batmen, lizardmen, the dune people, the people of the air, birdmen, mole people, and more. If you can imagine it, it probably exists in Creation.

But are all of those capable of Exalting?

[TheCountAlucard]

Most of them, yes. An Exaltation's likely to go for an unmutated host, but a heroic soul's a heroic soul, so you may well have one of the weirder ones Exalt.

Now, you'll want to note that Dragon Kings, Mountain Folk, neither of those can Exalt.

[Yuki Akuma]

Protip: any human has a chance of Exalting. Wyld barbarians, People of the Air/Dunes/Etc. and beastmen are all human.

That "Minotaur" who Exalted was just a Lunar.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma

That "Minotaur" who Exalted was just a Lunar.

He could have been a bull-man, though.