General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants

[Lord Raziere]

Originally Posted by TheCountAlucard

Now, you'll want to note that Dragon Kings, Mountain Folk, neither of those can Exalt.

but a guy mutated to look like a dragon king or mountain folk can.

you can also have a Solar with angel wings, so you can go around being an angelic Exalted superhero. Won't do anything for your inconspicuousness but there are, playing an angel.

[Yuki Akuma]

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

but a guy mutated to look like a dragon king or mountain folk can.

you can also have a Solar with angel wings, so you can go around being an angelic Exalted superhero. Won't do anything for your inconspicuousness but there are, playing an angel.

That is, you'd be a Solar Person of the Air. It's happened before - at least, Bright Shattered Ice had wings.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma

That is, you'd be a Solar Person of the Air. It's happened before - at least, Bright Shattered Ice had wings.

Those are Wings of the Raptor. Bright Shattered Ice Exalted long before the People of the Air were created, anyway.

But, yeah, anything with a hun and a po can become an Exalted.

[Kylarra]

I've got a lunar making beastmen in a one of those high-elemental manses in hopes of making an army of beast-dragon-blooded....

[Yuki Akuma]

Originally Posted by Kylarra

I've got a lunar making beastmen in a one of those high-elemental manses in hopes of making an army of beast-dragon-blooded....

That's... totally not going to work.

Unless the beastmen are made using Dragon-Blooded stock, in which case the manse is utterly pointless (not that it has a point now).

[golentan]

Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma

That's... totally not going to work.

Unless the beastmen are made using Dragon-Blooded stock, in which case the manse is utterly pointless (not that it has a point now).

I assume it would be with dragonblood stock, and (IIRC in Oadenol's Codex) it's stated that being in an elementally aspected manse during conception and birth gives bonuses to the die roll for children to exalt.

So it totally could work.

[The Rose Dragon]

Specifically, Dragon's Nest is a Manse trait that increases the occurrences of a particular element in the manse. If one parent is a Dragon-blooded, the child gets +1 bonus to see whether he will Exalt if he is conceived within the manse, which increases to +2 if he is brought to term there. It also guarantees the Aspect if he Exalts.

[Kylarra]

Yes to the last two posts.
Makes it for an exaltation chance on a 1-5 rather than a normal 1-3 for just knocking up DBs.

Completely unrelated, is there a fast gestation//training charm anywhere? I'd like to know before someone else finds it.

[Qaera]

Originally Posted by Kylarra

Yes to the last two posts.
Makes it for an exaltation chance on a 1-5 rather than a normal 1-3 for just knocking up DBs.

Completely unrelated, is there a fast gestation//training charm anywhere? I'd like to know before someone else finds it.

Check GotMH: Luna for that, or Kimbery iirc.

[Lix Lorn]

Originally Posted by Kylarra

Yes to the last two posts.
Makes it for an exaltation chance on a 1-5 rather than a normal 1-3 for just knocking up DBs.

Completely unrelated, is there a fast gestation//training charm anywhere? I'd like to know before someone else finds it.

Shoulda taken the Dragon-blooded heritage merit. Would make it 1-6.

[The Rose Dragon]

There are several Lunar fertility Charms, but none of them shorten the gestation time. I cannot find any canonical Kimbery Charms about birthing things, though there is one that summons sea-related behemoths and monsters. Your best bet is to spend the gestation time in a Frozen Ripple Lair, and return shortly before the birth.

[Lix Lorn]

If you take the charm that lets you wyld-shape a fantastical world in elsewhere, you can make the manse there.

[Kylarra]

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

Shoulda taken the Dragon-blooded heritage merit. Would make it 1-6.

Technically it's not my character, and I only approve merits on a case by case basis. Good to know though.

[The Rose Dragon]

That Charm doesn't allow you to create magical things in your hideout, though.

[Lix Lorn]

It can do anything Wyld-Shaping can do. You just can't take it out again. But while it's there, it's real.

[golentan]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

That Charm doesn't allow you to create magical things in your hideout, though.

Yep, I believe that requires solar level magic. Though here's a question: Could you create, say, a landscape of pure silver and then use thaumaturgical rituals to make it into moonsilver, for example?

Edit: Okay, pointless if you can't take things out. NM.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

It can do anything Wyld-Shaping can do. You just can't take it out again. But while it's there, it's real.

It can only create land, wealth and people. It cannot create artifacts and demesnes. And since there is no natural geomancy in your hideout, you cannot create a demesne naturally.

[Lix Lorn]

...well that needs errata.

Although the implication is the land comes with whatever it would normally have. Forests come with animals, so land comes with essence lines.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Lix Lorn

...well that needs errata.

Although the implication is the land comes with whatever it would normally have. Forests come with animals, so land comes with essence lines.

Land doesn't come with Essence lines naturally, nor does Wyld-Shaping Technique automatically create living beings if there are none. Though it does need errata anyway, considering the changes to Wyld-Shaping Technique.

[Lix Lorn]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

Land doesn't come with Essence lines naturally, nor does Wyld-Shaping Technique automatically create living beings if there are none. Though it does need errata anyway, considering the changes to Wyld-Shaping Technique.

Yes it does. Holden said that if you make a forest, it'll come with animals.

[DragonSinged]

So, say Solar A gets attacked by the Wyld hunt and kills the lot of them, and Dragonbloods A, B, & C had Hearthstones on them. Are these Hearthstones actually of any use to Solar A? I mean, you can't attune to them without attuning to the Manse first, and I don't think you could use them to power Celestial Battle Armor or Warstriders or anything without attuning to them first. So, are they good for crafting or sacrificing or something like that? Or are they just basically pretty baubles without some way of figuring out where the manse is, then travelling to the manse (which is likely in Realm controlled territory if they were wielded by the Wyld hunt) to attune to it?

[golentan]

I see no reason why you couldn't use them to power magitech, but there are no other real benefits (they still emit motes but those motes can't be grabbed by the exalt, or at least I think that's how it works). I could be completely wrong.

Also, you could probably build some sort of automated hearthstone cracker to use them as null-magic grenades.

[Geigan]

Sorry if I have a lot of questions. This time it's about Lunars. The true form sidebar particularly on page 129 in their manual. It says that true forms "break the rule" on dice limits. I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this right. Does that mean that the spirit form's attributes are the new limits for the excellencies? And another one about that third excellency. Since it can add dice to static values, does that apply to soak? I swear I saw something contradicting it somewhere, but that might have been about stunts.

[DragonSinged]

Originally Posted by golentan

I see no reason why you couldn't use them to power magitech, but there are no other real benefits (they still emit motes but those motes can't be grabbed by the exalt, or at least I think that's how it works). I could be completely wrong.

Also, you could probably build some sort of automated hearthstone cracker to use them as null-magic grenades.

See, I was wondering about that, but the thing is that (At least on Celestial Battle Armor) the Hearthstone that powers the armor has to go into one of it's three Hearthstone sockets, and in the core book, page 382, it says "When an Exalt is attuned to a manse, places that manse's hearthstone into an item made with one of the five magical materials and then invests Essence in the item to attune it to himself, the hearthstone resonates as well. Such a resonant hearthstone has a benefical effect on the Exalt who carries it."

I could be wrong, but this indicates to me that you probably need to be attuned to a Hearthstone in order for it to provide benefit, such as powering magitech.

[Kylarra]

Originally Posted by Geigan

Sorry if I have a lot of questions. This time it's about Lunars. The true form sidebar particularly on page 129 in their manual. It says that true forms "break the rule" on dice limits. I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this right. Does that mean that the spirit form's attributes are the new limits for the excellencies? And another one about that third excellency. Since it can add dice to static values, does that apply to soak? I swear I saw something contradicting it somewhere, but that might have been about stunts.

While you're in your spirit form, yes, your cap is the higher of your base or spirit form's attributes and the increase doesn't count as a dice against your limit.

Third Stamina Excellency can add to soak. In fact soak is explicitly mentioned in the sidebar about attribute excellencies.

Stunts cannot add to soak though, yes.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Kylarra

Third Stamina Excellency can add to soak. In fact soak is explicitly mentioned in the sidebar about attribute excellencies.

First and Second can. Third can't, considering it is neither a static rating nor rolled.

[Teln]

Wait, soak isn't static? Not even natural soak?

[Kylarra]

Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon

First and Second can. Third can't, considering it is neither a static rating nor rolled.

Huh, if you say so. I've always considered it a static rating personally, but okay.

[The Rose Dragon]

Originally Posted by Teln

Wait, soak isn't static? Not even natural soak?

It is an unrolled use of Stamina, which is distinct from static ratings. It is static in the colloquial sense, but it's not a static value. Static values are, in each case, the sum of more than one trait, halved.

[ShadowFighter15]

Been having a random thought and I'm wondering - does coffee exist anywhere in Creation? And if so, would an Exalted Barista be as bad as I imagine?