Saposhiente for been a coward.
When you decide to get yourself killed you do it right and stick it out until the end, not run like a chicken at the first sign of trouble
As much as I want to make a Fleeing Coward joke...
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Aaand we're back! What would your general opinion on self-voting be? What is your stance on habitual self-voters like Orzel? And once you've answered that, how does it feel to be in the spotlight on Day 1?
Oh, that's an easy one - its a useful tactic to throw of suspicion depending on how clever people think you are. For instance, if I'd think you were not clever then I'd assume a self-vote could mean either a villager being thoughtless, trying to be funny or is tired of the game; or a dumb wolf trying to hide in the spotlight. Reasonably clever people would count as wolfs, clever people as wolfs and extremely clever people as wolfs.
Self-voters are not to be minded much as long as they're consistently self-voting. Every once in a while they should be voted out though as they have the same risk of turning out wolf as any other player.
And I'm always in the spotlight, have a big one here beside my computer - called the sun. So its nothing special.
What would your general opinion on self-voting be? What is your stance on habitual self-voters like Orzel?
Personally, it's like painting a giant bullseye on your back, and then covering it with steak. It's enough to make me not vote for the 17th player, except the last time I didn't I got Day 1 lynched as the first link in a chain of spectacular self-destruction (Seriously, Team Asmodeus in Devils WW had the worst luck ever).
Honestly, I thought you were doing it because you didn't want to play, since you made a point that you hadn't signed up during the "find Supagoof" scheming.
I haven't seen orzel do it as often as people say he does, but patterns are patterns and mean very little on Day 1. Non-patterned self-votes are pretty much just a straight-up suicide.
I'll have to agree with you Ramsus. Elder Tsofu is very suspicious for being the first third vote within the first six votes of the game (also he's my random point).
Well, I'd like to point out that I was actually number 2 on the wagon (since a self-vote... is a self-vote - you know, bound to change at second sight of danger).
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Who's trying to make me go there? Anatharon?"
I may be a terrible person poster, but if there's one thing I've learned, it's not to trust the more popular posters, Haruki-kun being one such example.
See, this is what I wanted. Day 1s tend to be just a series of players randomly voting, with nothing to go on until much later, and (assuming scum is smart) little to be deduced until a scum gets randalynched. Now, after my intentionally controversial action, several people have posted multiple times to form a debate, which will be helpful in the future. As a VT, I find probably being the D1 lynch an acceptable sacrifice. I tend to be "logic"-lynched a lot anyway as VT--much more than as scum (Specifically, a ratio of 1/0. That's right, my every lynch as scum has been after being scried.). Elder Tsofu (finger of suspicion), I would expect you to have noticed that I don't suicide as scum by now, and to note the WIFOM of your attitude-- if selfvote is suicide, it would be stupid as scum. Of course, given this, you can progress to reverse times infinity psychology, but I'm no newb and you know it. The quite predominant attitude is to lynch people who selfvote out of the blue, as demonstrated by the fact that I am the *only* wagon, which concerns me for our future voting analysis, but it is probably related to the more concerning fact that (EDIT: 10 (a third!)) people haven't voted, and there's 4 hours left. Finger of Suspicion -> Non-voters. I expect more from those of you who are town. I think I'll send some PMs, because this is rather important. But onto my serious point. billtodamax has so far ignored my question directed at him and has supplied nothing but a random point, then gone into lurk mode. This does describe many people, but he has been specifically asked a question, and could be trying to just wait until I'm dead to try and dismiss it entirely. Similar events involving running out of time exploited by wolves have occurred in every other game where I've been townlynched. The zero-content-posting is horrible strategy as a whole for Town, and exactly what I'm trying to stop with my action, but I can only point at one person, so that's who I'm laying it on.
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2 more questions (plus the still standing question to bill). If I die before they are answered, so be it. Answer them to the whole of town when I flip as Playgrounder.
@ People voting for me, but especially Elder Tsofu: The main problem with self-votes is that they don't tell you anything at all about the person's scumbuddies, if they have any. However, the same could be said of IF's disregard all logic (if any, though there rarely is any) and vote for Player 17 strategy. What is the main difference that makes self-votes worse, in your opinion?
@ People who aren't billtodamax, but especially non-voters because I want content from them: Is my comparison to previous games such as SEU and Shape-shifters valid? Why or why not?
P.S. Abbreviations I (and Sotek, witchhunters!) use findable on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?..._abbreviations
Update: PMs sent, right before g2g too. So yeah.
@ People voting for me, but especially Elder Tsofu: The main problem with self-votes is that they don't tell you anything at all about the person's scumbuddies, if they have any. However, the same could be said of IF's disregard all logic (if any, though there rarely is any) and vote for Player 17 strategy. What is the main difference that makes self-votes worse, in your opinion?
(I'm neither of those things, but it's not like you can stop me from answering. )
It's not that it's worse; it's that it's funny. It's a joke that gets funnier the more people go along with it, and with a lack of logic, people are going to do what's funny. I'd point to X-Men WW, Atreyu's Day 2 attempt to lynch Diva De, and the fact that both wagons were essentially fueled by the humor of it all (and wolves, but that's not the point ).
*mutters* I'm allowed to miss a day, I was out of town for crying out loud....
Anyway, haven't caught up yet, but I'll point at Murska, cause he pointed at my llama.
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Yeah, when people don't know what to do humor seems to be the rule. I'm pretty sure I've seen town on it's own decide to lynch the narrators just because they could. In the end these games are more about having fun than winning.
I'd just like to point out btw that always getting scried first means you're doing something to get scried. And that sometimes lynches are based on random gut feelings (and sometimes so are scries).
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I have no idea how you could possibly have convinced anyone, living or not, witch or not, to for a single second doubt that you were scum. It's scary.
Yeah, when people don't know what to do humor seems to be the rule. I'm pretty sure I've seen town on it's own decide to lynch the narrators just because they could. In the end these games are more about having fun than winning.
I'd just like to point out btw that always getting scried first means you're doing something to get scried. And that sometimes lynches are based on random gut feelings (and sometimes so are scries).
2. Not getting scried *first*. Just getting scried at some point.
Point is, I receive only seer wagons, as opposed to slipping up on some bit of logic or for doing stuff deemed crazy like right now or in SEU (Still think no-lynching until lylo is the best strategy, because vote analysis is NOT the primary source of info there). When I do crazy stuff and get lynched I'm always Town.
1. Who said you can't have fun by playing well? Day 1s consisting of nothing but randavotes and wagoning = boooringgggg. Complex days with the wide majority of people debating lengthily and switching votes several ways, now that's interesting. Pop culture can be an amusing side dish with any amount of debate, and with more debate there's actually more opportunity for truly good references, as opposed to "heh" followed by *ka-move on unaffected*.
People tell me a lot that "X is just a game, and it's supposed to be fun, not analyze/nitpick/whatev Y" whether arguing against "'breaking' the game" or actually playing the game for the fun of its puzzles, as opposed to just sitting around talking with some context that can be made amusing in places.
I come to play.
billtodamax has so far ignored my question directed at him and has supplied nothing but a random point, then gone into lurk mode. This does describe many people, but he has been specifically asked a question, and could be trying to just wait until I'm dead to try and dismiss it entirely. Similar events involving running out of time exploited by wolves have occurred in every other game where I've been townlynched. The zero-content-posting is horrible strategy as a whole for Town, and exactly what I'm trying to stop with my action, but I can only point at one person, so that's who I'm laying it on.
OR perhaps bill is in a different time zone to you, and has commitments other than this forum. I have just got on this forum again after posting that message. Please don't make presumptions about my actions.
As to your question about voting once early in the day - I have seen many games in which no one votes for most of the day, so I generally make it a policy to vote early.
Not so when I'm a wolf. I usually worry too much about the other wolves to risk voting - as well as being worried about the thread's attention being drawn to me, and getting randawagoned.
I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction.
As to your second question - the one I'm allowed to answer, apparently - IF is consistent. He votes for the seventeenth person in every game he's in on the first day - provided it isn't him.
You are not consistent with self voting - and besides which you've rather ticked me off, as such - Saposhiente.
A lot of it was that theoretical day deadline was 12 hours ago. I thought I was making a day-almost-over post.
However, you did manage to answer the question reasonably well. So I'll give you points.
So. banjo1985! What is your opinion on the length of RVS?
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