Since it appears Wally's top speed is the speed of sound, it seems to imply that there's no Speed Force in this universe, or just that Wally isn't connected to it.
I also found it odd that Bats told Young Justice to go Artic Camo, but the only memeber of the actual League to do it was Green Arrow.
First off this is a Queen we are talking about. Bumping her off would mean bringing an entire country under their fold. An entire country could more than recoup them for their losses.
Second, If they did not use such an elaborate distraction, that heart could have had the escort of actual justice leaguers. Instead of dealing with Kid Flash, they may have been dealing with the real flash, or superman. They might have even had a member or two watching over the hospitol as added protection.
Third, I might also point out that the effects of the fortresses knocked out the zeta tubes, which would have allowed the league to instantly transport the heart in just a few minutes.
And Really not every episode has to have a lasting effect and contribute to the light's end game. I mean like the halloween episode... that didn't have any real point to the larger storyline except for the character develop and the interests that the episode held on its own. This episode is no different. Character development for wally and a fairly well directed story
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Who cares about the heart? I mean just assassinate her and make it look like an accident. They have a ton of supervillains, it really can't be that hard. Between this and the previous episode, I'm starting to think that needlessly wide-spanning plans are just how these people operate.
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I said "handwave", didn't I? It's still a better explanation than...nothing.
Except without one its just "yes a lot of poor kids died, aren't supervillians awful" and so forth. Trying to negate the casualties of these sorts of things with superheroics is disturbingly unrealistic because you start wondering why say Earth isn't a utopia. It doesn't improve the story to nullify it, but dwelling on it makes thing much much grimmer.
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Who cares about the heart? I mean just assassinate her and make it look like an accident. They have a ton of supervillains, it really can't be that hard. Between this and the previous episode, I'm starting to think that needlessly wide-spanning plans are just how these people operate.
And haven't they already established supervillians taking dives for larger supervillain schemes. A couple of proxies and even if it is found to be murder... the villains still win.
And yeah the father of Xanatos does seem to be overdoing it a touch. Its one thing to have other aims achieved even when a plan fails... but not when said plan has no goal anyways.
And yeah the father of Xanatos does seem to be overdoing it a touch. Its one thing to have other aims achieved even when a plan fails... but not when said plan has no goal anyways.
Alternatively, they're laying out a somewhat lengthy plot arc...and this is just the start.
They did somsthing similar in JL/JLU, of course (Cadmus arc among others), and, really, for Vandal Savage himself (the Big Cheese of The Light) to be out punching guys around*, you'd think there'd have to be something big in the works and this was just (intended to be?) the kickoff...
* Admittedly, sometimes, you just want to go out there and punch a guy with a closed fist, as it is, on occasion, hilarious.
And yeah the father of Xanatos does seem to be overdoing it a touch. Its one thing to have other aims achieved even when a plan fails... but not when said plan has no goal anyways.
Alternatively, they're laying out a somewhat lengthy plot arc...and this is just the start.
They did somsthing similar in JL/JLU, of course (Cadmus arc among others), and, really, for Vandal Savage himself (the Big Cheese of The Light) to be out punching guys around*, you'd think there'd have to be something big in the works and this was just (intended to be?) the kickoff...
* Admittedly, sometimes, you just want to go out there and punch a guy with a closed fist, as it is, on occasion, hilarious.
Since it appears Wally's top speed is the speed of sound, it seems to imply that there's no Speed Force in this universe, or just that Wally isn't connected to it.
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Weisman has stated that there is no Speed Force over on his website.
Even for no Speed Force mere Mach 1 is exceptionally slow for a Flash... and presumably by extension every other hero as it starts putting Superman slower then speeding bullet. Or this universe commits far more serious heresy then we think.
I'll prefer to weasel out and say that because there's no Speed Force among other things the package would not have survived running faster for all of this top speed nonsense. I very rarely take single instance statements very seriously in comics unless I know they will be backed up. Mind you thats more for avoiding the whole "let's cherry-pick the most the over the top examples as our normal then ignore when they are inexplicably weaker" sorta thought that pollutes comics.
Or just that Wally is nowhere as fast as Barry yet.
(Also finding a AskGreg and searching Speed Force reveals a minor dogpile on the creator by comic book guys, so he seems to be welching that nobody on Earth-16 has heard of the Speed Force and we are welcome to still put it there.)
I don't think being around Mach 1 is odd for Wally, since his comics counterpart was limited to that speed at the beginning of his career as a Flash (though he could go faster as KF)
Would that be... Post-COIE to Pre Speed Force era then?
I've only followed Flash through appearances elsewhere (by Morrison's JLA run Wally was up to c+ speed) or adaptation. I'd say certainly general opinion among fans is at least that "the Fastest Man Alive" needs (and generally is) to be faster then Supes. Who is of course faster then a speeding bullet.
All kinda a side-bar for this show though. Just as long as we keep our heresies straight.
Its more of a side effect then anything else, I don't think the Flashes have ever been too hungry to run. And its about as efficient as Superman getting energy from Yellow Sunlight.
Read not even remotely sensible but at least it sounds good.
Well, we know that he can average at least 850 miles per hour, which is above the speed of sound; he went more than 3000 miles in approximately 3 and a half hours.
Well, we know that he can average at least 850 miles per hour, which is above the speed of sound; he went more than 3000 miles in approximately 3 and a half hours.
There is semi-famous comics example of Flash evacuating a city before a nuke can can go off in 1/100 billionth of a second while running "just under the speed of light" which would actually require him going some 13 trillion times above it. So what cherry picking bits of text and event would you like to resolve this conundrum?
Its a good reason to treat ANY attempt to quantify superpowers in terms of actual measurement as broad hyperbole at best when spoken and that nothing merely inferred from being displayed should even be acknowledged for a second.
Who cares about the heart? I mean just assassinate her and make it look like an accident. They have a ton of supervillains, it really can't be that hard. Between this and the previous episode, I'm starting to think that needlessly wide-spanning plans are just how these people operate.
Let's see, so next in line of succession is a known super villain; and the queen just happens to be offed by a super villain known to have ties with Count Vert? yeah that won't cause any succession disputes in the home country AT ALL. Freak snowstorm stops the heart delivery? not so much. Admittedly having the Clock King just mess with the duty roster would have been easier.
Also superhero stories and logic don't mix well, like physics and D&D.
Let's see, so next in line of succession is a known super villain; and the queen just happens to be offed by a super villain known to have ties with Count Vert?
Um, what? No. Just pay a guy with a gun lots of money. Just because you know a bunch of guys in tights doesn't mean that you have to use them.
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You can use the model presented just fine with a little modification
Count V: Vandal I'm next in line but for this sick little girl. Do you think an entire country would be able to help your plans for the small price of installing the leadership?
Vandal S: Why yes my dear Count I do believe it would be a valid. Now let me see who might be dumb enough to be set-up for money and think they could get away with it....
Supervillian #3: Sure thing Vandal I'll smash up this hospital for you, money up front though.
And then a said hospital is flattened by a tanker truck being thrown into it by IDW Doctor Polaris or someone. They either get caught by the heroes or get away with it. However unless the heroes can somehow go from there to Vandal Savage and get Savage to testify he did it at Count Vertigo's request or otherwise prove that.... Vertigo still gets the country and there's nothing the heroes can do.
Given that the Light controls superjail one could even throw that into the bargaining with the proxy. Sure they might get caught, but have performed a valuable service doing so that will be aptly repaid. In the mean time just chill for whomever above Hugo Strange is supervising the prison when they visit. I bet wine and caviar are being discretely shipped into the place everyday already.
Using an entire country as a distraction is just overkill.
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Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
It did just presumably nobody has had anything to say yet. (I'm busy with ponies myself)
I missed it due to sleeping in and haven't been able to find a copy on Youtube yet myself.
Edit: Looks like it'll be on tomorrow morning again though, along with the first non-pilot episode of Green Lantern. Guess I'll set my alarm and hope for the best.
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We get to know more about megan. Anyone who knew enough about her from the comics won't be surprised about her white martian nature, though I am a bit surprised that they went with such a monstrous design; though it does add greatly to the effect... We find out how deeply she hates her true appearance and how deep her fears go... and the dangers it may lead to in the future
Also, for those who don't recognize him; the young boy in this episode, Garfield Logan, is better known as Beast Boy... Methinks there's a chance that Megan's blood transfusion might have an interesting side effect in the future
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Edit: Looks like it'll be on tomorrow morning again though, along with the first non-pilot episode of Green Lantern. Guess I'll set my alarm and hope for the best.
There's a Bonus for waking up early enough to catch green lantern
The DC short this week is Lauren Faust's super best friends!
Guess who's voicing batgirl?
I already want to see it made into a full series ^^
Also, for those who don't recognize him; the young boy in this episode, Garfield Logan, is better known as Beast Boy... Methinks there's a chance that Megan's blood transfusion might have an interesting side effect in the future
Yeah, I was wondering where they were going with that.
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Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
Also, for those who don't recognize him; the young boy in this episode, Garfield Logan, is better known as Beast Boy... Methinks there's a chance that Megan's blood transfusion might have an interesting side effect in the future
More then a chance in a superhero verse. The specific though is pretty interesting deviation though even for this show.
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There's a Bonus for waking up early enough to catch green lantern
The DC short this week is Lauren Faust's super best friends!
Guess who's voicing batgirl?
I already want to see it made into a full series ^^
Don't we all? I mean I know it takes a lot to get a show greenlit and all but c'mon how often are you going to get a show with not one but two built-in fanbases to swarm it with love. And an animated cartoon about a three superhero girls, that will never work out.
Maybe if this block does well it can be expanded in 2013?
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