...Blue Beetle, Lagoon Boy, Barbara Gordon, Beast Boy, and Mal Duncan will have significant roles in season two, it seems, with Lobo among the villians.
'K, I just watched the last of the Portuguese episodes, and aside from the whining about failschedules that belongs here, HOLY MEEP.
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Like, the super secret superness is freaking me out. Future Secrets get double spoilered?
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Roy being a clone is freaking me out so much. The team ambushing the League and stuff was nice, though weird. Rocket's kiss (and Zatana's) seemed odd, with Rocket 's being the annoying "interracial anything is scaaaary" thing that happens and Zatana's being just "dorp I like you" "hehe, awkward word-without-prefix.
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Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
Double secret stuff gets double spoilered so you don't accidentally click on one for stuff you haven't seen yet.
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...and it appears that the real Speedy is going to become Arsenal in Season 2.
And in more Season Two goodness projections: it appears that it's possible that Despero will be appearing in Season Two, at least according to Keith David's Wikipedia page.
And in more Season Two goodness projections: it appears that it's possible that Despero will be appearing in Season Two, at least according to Keith David's Wikipedia page.
Well according to from what came out of Wondercon that would fit the theme. I'm sure Greg Weisman took one look at who previously voiced Despero and specifically wrote that in and insisted there could be no one else.
Also while the article was good here's some "footage" of the Q&A where that posted article was drawn from.
(Audio is fine, video is terrible, Lauren wasn't on screen and nopony asked her a decent question )
Red Arrow is the traitor? That wasn't confirmed in the ep at all.
Also, who the heck was that Spiderman rip-off guy at the beginning of the ep?
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Black Spider; He was also in the earlier episode when artemis joined the team and the team needed to protect the scientist from chesire. I originally wondered why he was not locked up in belle reve, but according to word of god, he escaped before he arrived at belle reve.
Also, the voice actor for Black Spider previously played Spiderman on the Spectacular Spiderman series
Apparently in the comics Black Spider aside from being obscure isn't quite a Spidey rip-off. Not Marvel and DC don't rip each other off because they've done that so much at this point its basically a tradition that the other company has some badly veiled equivalent floating around.
My fave in Mongul who's a rip of Thanos who's a rip of Darkseid.
Black Spider; He was also in the earlier episode when artemis joined the team and the team needed to protect the scientist from chesire. I originally wondered why he was not locked up in belle reve, but according to word of god, he escaped before he arrived at belle reve.
Also, the voice actor for Black Spider previously played Spiderman on the Spectacular Spiderman series
Does that page give a full account of his powers and abilities? Because if so that seems at odds with what was in the ep. Marskman is one thing, webslinger is another. . .
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Weisman probably just wanted to make a reference his old show, like how in Spectacular Spider-Man Peter passed a couple of statues that looked like some of the gargoyles from, well, Gargoyles.
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When they snuck into Red's apartment and found the android I thought it would have been neat if Megan or Zatanna said something like "What is that, Red's son?" and accidently activate Connor's post hypnotic suggetions.
I think the bigger problem is that last I checked Conner does go to high school, would be a weird thing to happen when say studying say astronomy would it not?
But some allowance for being a 'cool' rather then practical password can be made.
I think the bigger problem is that last I checked Conner does go to high school, would be a weird thing to happen when say studying say astronomy would it not?
But some allowance for being a 'cool' rather then practical password can be made.
Considering that they're called "red stars", I don't see it as coming up.
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Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
Alternatively, perhaps its not just the words, but who says it? I don't think Luthor would be above ensuring only he could deliver commands to Conner, perhaps even as a check on his fellow members of the Light.
Considering that they're called "red stars", I don't see it as coming up.
Generally yes but as one who put on science programs for filler I do hear it on occaison.
And really any two common word combination has a distressing chance of being said next to say "It was you who broke my meissen plate" for example. Though that one is a little long for a kill switch
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Alternatively, perhaps its not just the words, but who says it? I don't think Luthor would be above ensuring only he could deliver commands to Conner, perhaps even as a check on his fellow members of the Light.
Oh certainly possible...
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Red Arrow has one too from Sportsmaster as "Broken Arrow" but programmed by Cadmus since he's a clone too. Now mind you Sportsmaster is a trusted minion but sole control of the critical mole... not buying it.
And multiple specific recognition... ehh I'm not quite buying that. Certainly its not made clear since both get said command wiped by Megan.
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Red Arrow has one too from Sportsmaster as "Broken Arrow" but programmed by Cadmus since he's a clone too. Now mind you Sportsmaster is a trusted minion but sole control of the critical mole... not buying it.
And multiple specific recognition... ehh I'm not quite buying that. Certainly its not made clear since both get said command wiped by Megan.
Still even then Conner is a separate case
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Whee, more uber spoilers! *is enjoying himself with the secretivity*
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I assume it could be argued that Roy Red Arrow (I am SO only calling him Red Arrow now. Its such a fun name!) is a more primitive Cadmus clone, and the hypnotic suggestion subconscious stuff was not yet developed to the point where it could be pinpointed to just one person. Conner is a good couple of years younger than our beloved Red Arrow, and who knows what leaps and bounds that tech went through.
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If it helps, think of me as the Agent from Serenity. Just not that good a fighter. Also, I have a mustache.
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I'm probably hilarious far off, aren't I?
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This is not... the greatest story Tolkien ever wrote. No... This is just a tribute.
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Bah. You've got to believe in the you that believes in the heart of the cards to summon the 7 dragon balls to be the very best like no one ever was!
.; Many thanks piled on top of other thanks with a martini on top to Cuthalion for custom avatar.
However in Brazillian Hyper Season End Spoilers...
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Red Arrow has one too from Sportsmaster as "Broken Arrow" but programmed by Cadmus since he's a clone too. Now mind you Sportsmaster is a trusted minion but sole control of the critical mole... not buying it.
And multiple specific recognition... ehh I'm not quite buying that. Certainly its not made clear since both get said command wiped by Megan.
Still even then Conner is a separate case
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Damn, I'd rather Red Arrow be a real traitor than a programmed clone. For a season of "who is the traitor?" build-up that's a bit disappointing.
On another note, have you guys noticed Aqualad has been getting less screentime and characterization lately? He started strong in the season but recently he has felt like more of an afterthought.
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Ack. All these spoilers I can't open... I hope the remaining episodes are worth the wait.
In any case, I've been discussing who the Mole is with a friend lately. With only a few episodes remaining, we're getting close to finding out who it is...
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The past few episodes have given us some indicators. Ms Martian and Artemis were both approached to be turned, which means they weren't turned previously and aren't the Mole. At least, they aren't the Mole who was mentioned by Sensei and Sportsmaster.
The safest answer, at this point, is Superboy. We know that Lex Luthor was able to shut him down with a couple of words and, as Conner himself asked, "What else can he make [him] do?". Batman brought up the possibility in a previous episode of Superboy being a sleeper of some sort.
Of course, Superboy is the obvious clone. However, we know from episode one that Cadmus had the ability to clone Robin, Aqualad, and Kid Flash, with the intent of them being plants and destroying the originals. At least, they thought they could do that. Which brings up an interesting thought: what if one of those three sidekicks, who are generally put above suspicion, are the Mole? Via cloning?
Superboy was able to destroy the machine before the cloning process could occur, however. While its possible their genetic material was scanned befoer Supey's intervention, the amount of time elapsed between the start of their process and Superboy shutting it down makes me think not. It is, however, possible for them to have tried again. And succeeded, off-screen.
The real problem I have with this is the timeframe. They would have had to have their genetic material obtained, or been captured, and then the weeks taken to clone them... I don't see them being able to disappear like that without the League noticing. At the very least, Robin is being watched by Batman. And, thinking about it, Superboy is probably under surveillance too... and the rest of the Team... they have a certain degree of independence, but I don't feel like they could contact leave the Cave to go contact the Light regularly without the League noticing.
So, who would be a good candidate for a clone sleeper? Roy. As a solo hero not formally a part of the League or the Team, and one who often works in the shadows, Red Arrow can disappear for long stretches of time without anyone's alerts being raised. Any time he's gone it can just be explained as "Roy being Roy". On the other hand, he's still very much connected to the League and the Team. We know that he has access to their zeta tube network, to their databases, and so forth. We even know that his mentor tells him things he shouldn't know, like the Watchtower. He's the perfect mixture of independence and connection to be a spy for the Light.
Of course, the obvious mole remains Superboy. So, I'd say that the safe answer, for now, is Conner and the interesting answer is Roy.
Ohh, new episode. And no observationing! SHAMEFUL.:smalltongue
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:No comment on Roy's "There is no mole. " ? Weird. When I saw that I was all "Why are you suddenly having a completely different view on what you've been insisting for the past 20 episodes?" Of course, the main attraction was the Robin. And Parasite being awesomeful, if a bit too similar to Sportsmaster style. Good episode, I think, though they suddenly being in a different continent was... sudden.
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If it helps, think of me as the Agent from Serenity. Just not that good a fighter. Also, I have a mustache.
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I'm probably hilarious far off, aren't I?
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Originally Posted by Telonius
This is not... the greatest story Tolkien ever wrote. No... This is just a tribute.
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Originally Posted by Coidzor
Bah. You've got to believe in the you that believes in the heart of the cards to summon the 7 dragon balls to be the very best like no one ever was!
.; Many thanks piled on top of other thanks with a martini on top to Cuthalion for custom avatar.
Looks like there's going to be some kind of "drugs are bad m'kay" thing looming with the shields.
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Frankly, a Wizard can suck even more than a Fighter could ever dream of sucking. A Fighter can stab himself to death, but only a Wizard could Plane Shift to some horrible far realm to be tortured for an eternity of insanity.
Kinda having a hard time with the "make a device that makes black holes" thing though. That's a wee bit too dangerous and uncontrollable for anything short of a suicidal villain looking to destroy the planet itself.
Getting a bit frustrated with the characters that keep getting episodes though honestly. We haven't seen much of my favorites, Aqualad and Zatanna, in quite a bit now. Heck, Zatanna's barely had what, two scenes since joining the team, neither important to the episode they were in?
Also, was anyone else distracted by that government agent having the same voice as Lex Luthor? I kept thinking I should be suspicious of him every time he opened his mouth.
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Not as Robin-y as I would have hoped, honestly. While the focus episodes on KF, Miss Martian, Superboy, and Artemis were very focused on those characters, and chock full of character moments, this episode was a lot more ensemble and, honestly, didn't focus on Robin all that much. Not that ensemble episodes are bad, but I feel like Robin and, to a greater extent Aqualad, get shafted in terms in focus. Which is a shame, because I like both.
The two sub-plots were of much greater importance here than Robin facing his past: Conner's use of the shield patches and Roy coming to trust the Team.
Roy said "There is no mole." While a valid theory for the Team, we know the Light actually does have a Mole. Roy saying that... either he is the Mole or he's going to be ganked by the mole. Either or.
Also, a thought occured to me as to my theory that a clone Roy is the mole.. Guardian is Roy's uncle. It's quite possible that, even before Independence Day, Roy took a visit to Cadmus to check in on his uncle, saw things he shouldn't have seen, and was then cloned... of course, Guardian would likely object, but with telepathic gnomes in place...
As a side note, I, like Zevox, was a little distracted by King Faraday's voice, but not in the same way. While I know who King Faraday is DC comics wise, all I could see/hear with the Young Justice version is the Specatacular Spider-Man version of Captain George Stacy. The very similar character designs, both voiced by Clancy Brown, both being cops, both being in Greg Weisman shows.. it was very difficult to not see Captain Stacy whenever King Faraday came on screen.
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" ? Weird. When I saw that I was all "Why are you suddenly having a completely different view on what you've been insisting for the past 20 episodes?" Of course, the main attraction was the Robin. And Parasite being awesomeful, if a bit too similar to Sportsmaster style. Good episode, I think, though they suddenly being in a different continent was... sudden.
