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Old 04-28-2012, 02:22 PM   Top  -  End  -  #511
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Soo.... wasn't expecting that. Really got some mixed feelings on the idea.
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That was roughly me during this episode.

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After reading some comments on the ep I was worried that I'd hate it, but I LOVED it.

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It this isn't the case I'm not sure I'm going to be able to keep liking the show. Because someone must be lacing Greg Weissman's coffee with cocaine or something because he needs to hit the brakes.
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I can't imagine how they would have carried the characters into new arcs if they just kept the status quo of the last season. Almost everything got resolved at the end and something had to give to keep the series fresh IMO. The first season established that there was a need for a Young Justice team for when the League was compromised or spread thin. They proved their worth and learned to trust each other.

Granted, none of the new characters were given more than surface level characterization, if that, and we are being thrown into a future situation in media res with little knowledge of what has transpired between the last season and this one. That said, I see no reason to lose faith in the show because we don't know what the heck is going on and don't know what they are going to do with these characters. Last season was stellar. I, for one, am excited to see what they do with this. I'm sure the old team will still be heavily involved.

I applaud them for taking a risk with this new direction, rather than just keeping the safer status quo, and I trust the writers enough to follow this at least to mid-season.
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Why? Apparently they had plenty of ideas, because plenty seems to have happened in between seasons.
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That said, I'm not giving up on the show or anything. I just expected better. After the last episode of the previous season seemed so rushed and the issues I was starting to have with the lack of screen time for certain characters I was hoping that season 2 could get us back on track and make up for those issues, going back to taking things slower and giving us some episodes around the new members (Zatanna and Rocket) to develop them, maybe something for Aqualad since he had been so under-used for the last half of season 1. This is very much not that, and seems instead to be compounding the issues I was starting to have at the end of season 1, which is a bad sign in my book.

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I think, for the most part, this episode was intended to garner a "what happened?" reaction. I think their plan was to get us guessing, get us speculating, get us headscratching, and then gradually reveal what happened over the next few episodes as the Invasion happens.

I also think they planned the second season to be relatively seperate from the first season. I recall when it was announced that Invasion was billed as a mini-series connected to YJ, not a second season at all. So, rather than a continuation, I think Invasion is intended as a sequel to the first, with the whole "16 hours" thing in the first season finale to be a sequel hook for the second. When looked in that light, that they set up the premiere like this is not surprising. Whether for series or films, etc., sequels often have an initial period of showing "Things are different now".

In any case, I've come to really admire Weismann's storytelling ability, having enjoyed previous series Gargoyles and Spectacular Spider-Man done by him and reading his thoughts on Ask Greg. Vietti I know less about, but his director credits include a third of all Batman:The Brave and the Bold episodes, which I enjoyed immensely. So, ultimately, whatever they do, I trust they know what they're doing and I also trust that I'll enjoy it.
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Maybe. Personally though I don't think that's good storytelling.

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I liked the episode, but Lagoon Boy is very friggen annoying. Saying Neptune's barfbag is stupid, not funny. It's not stupid silly like Robin and Holy extraterrestrialkablooie, and it's not BTATB Aquaman's "Outrageous!" or his story titles. It's just stupid. Your LAGOON BOY, not the lovechild of Aqualad and 60's Robin.
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I liked the episode, but Lagoon Boy is very friggen annoying. Saying Neptune's barfbag is stupid, not funny. It's not stupid silly like Robin and Holy extraterrestrialkablooie, and it's not BTATB Aquaman's "Outrageous!" or his story titles. It's just stupid. Your LAGOON BOY, not the lovechild of Aqualad and 60's Robin.
Yeah, I think that's gonna bother me more than Robin's made-up words from the first season. At least with that you could tell that they were trying to give him a unique and memorable character trait. It wound up annoying, but there was honest effort behind it. Lagoon Boy's jokes though are just straight-up lazy writing, going for the easiest lines based on him being a fish-person they could think of.

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I agree that they were going to do that, and yet, it seems to me that they didnt work it out well. It didnt succeed in pacing the episode and giving a good first impression of what is the start of season 2 IMO. Not saying that it is the worst episode, but it isnt up to the quality of the show.
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While the idea is good I think the series is trying to be too clever for its own good here.

The only real continuity of character we have is in Superboy... who was easily the most anti-social of the Team in the first place. Which he seems to have softened some, but isn't gone. And its not like he's the focus of the episode either. There's changing things but this episode seems to be aggressively going for changing absolutely everything. Heck they don't even pick up something they set up, why couldn't our into-quasi protagonist be Beast Boy over Lagoon Boy. He's got a precedent for being a resident clown, we already know him, heck it would even draw five years into being sensible because he has to y'know grow up.

And I don't want to hate on La'gaan but we don't even really see his head despite being the closest to being our focus character for the episode. Unless it was supposed to be Tim Drake. Okay there's time to flesh guys out but this episode doesn't give us anything for anyone.

And with the sheer number of characters added I frankly don't believe nearly enough of them will be fleshed out. Given the record with Zatanna and Rocket and all. I've been biting my tongue on the matter but the way the show has been leads me to suspect Cassie and Barbara will just be there and never fleshed out as characters. And let me just say it is damn odd for Barbara to be there as Batgirl, enough to demand a very particular why.

This isn't even getting into how much the fundamental dynamic changes. The show literally has to have a different focus now. I frankly don't think they can justify being "The Team" anymore just for a start, it isn't singular anymore. Being the specialized black ops for the Justice League, not as big and loose as you are operating thank you.
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I...Liked the episode. Sure, there were some annoying parts in it. But, nobody can say that the first episodes of the first season didn't have annoying parts too. Hellooo M'gaan!

So, just like with every TV Series I watch - especially when such big changes happen - I'm going to reserve judgement until I see a few more episodes. Maybe they'll fix it, or explain it better? I'm not ruling out the possibility of some Zeta stupidity in the next episode and time travel getting involved and everything going back to normal with maybe one character knowing what happened and trying to prevent everything.

I firmly believe that was a reference to Jason Todd. You know the line. I really hope Greyson gets a couple of scenes where he can show Jason 'how it's really done'. Greyson becomes Batman after all.

Still, the only thing I can say for certain, was that the episode should've been a two-parter so we could have some more characterisation of the New Kids, or more screen time for the Old Guard.
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Lets be honest there were several cliff hangers and set up in the last season for the cold open in the new. Rocket could just have been proof of "the team will grow" even with other hints through out the series that it would. In regards to the supposed plot hole:
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Well...that was...unexpected.

kpenguin was bang on with the alien theory (though even I recognised the Boom-Tube last episode and my knowledge of DC is almost entirely limited to the animations).

Time skip...Huh.

Mixed feelings. On the one hand, some new characters (from everything I've heard and seen of Blue Beetle, he's pretty cool!, plus Beast Boy - Wonder Girl seemed pretty okay too, which is a marked improvement from Miss Mopey Pants from the arse-end of the Teen Titans (I didn't bother after the reboot), so, cool).

On the downside, almost certainly going to be less focus on the older characters, which is going to be less good. Already sorely missing Kid Flash and Artemis. (And what the frak is up with Miss Martian?)

Recognised nearly everyone apart from Lagoon Lad or whatever his name is - no idea about him at all. Not impressed with him so far, either; Aqualad was far more interesting.

I generally agree with Zevox that is was a bit too abrupt, and I'd liked to have seen the middle bit. Now, we may well see that in flashbacks later - if anything YJ has a bit of a thing for going for in media res and flashback explanations - but, yeah... That was a bit too jarring. Would have been less so if we'd seen more of the old guard, but it just seemed to jump in a bit too quick.

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Will reserve judgment until I see more of the new series, but here are a few of my thoughts.

Didn’t really mind the breakup of Superboy and Miss Martian, after all how many people fall in love and stay forever with the person they dated in high school, but Lagoonboy is annoying regardless if he ruined Conner and M’gann’s relationship.

I never liked how everyone and their mother kept reassuring Robin that he would eventually lead the team; even Aqualad told him he was just keeping the seat warm for him. Why does **** have to lead? Because it’s in the comics? Or worse yet because he was Batman’s protégée?

Personally I’ve always preferred the idea that **** became Nightwing (which was a name of a Kryptonian superhero) to get away from Batman, and at first it seemed the series would confirm this after the mind meld episode when **** said he doesn’t want to grow up to be Batman anymore.
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Just as a note:

It occured to me that the timeskip would seem a lot less abrupt if we'd had an actual break between seasons one and two, instead of them being one week apart thanks to CN's constant mucking with the schedule.
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An actual season break would help but without warning us I think it would still come off as abrupt. Its still a shift more appropriate to rebranding the entire show then going between seasons.

At any rate this week's episode is much improved, someone finally hit the brakes and got back to being about characters not events. Loved M'gann and Gar in particular.

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Well, some of the previews seemed to indicate a timeskip... the footage fueled speculation of a timeskip which was later confirmed at least. I imagine a longer break would give us more knowledge of timeskippyness via previews and trailers.

I do think a rebranding is an appropriate way to look at it, rather than a simple shift between seasons. I mean, the show now has a new subtitle (Invasion) and all of the early discussions of Invasion talked about it as a miniseries sequel to Young Justice, rather than being just a new season.
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