As is said pretty much every time that comes up, the "close to your god's alignment" thing is a world rule, not a general D&D rule; it doesn't apply in Eberron, for example, so why shouldn't it be an invalid rule in the Stickverse too?
The one-step rule for clerics is a part of the core rules, included in the Player's Handbook and the SRD. It is possible that the Stickverse ignores that rule just like Eberron, but so far we haven't had any proof of that.
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As is said pretty much every time that comes up, the "close to your god's alignment" thing is a world rule, not a general D&D rule; it doesn't apply in Eberron, for example, so why shouldn't it be an invalid rule in the Stickverse too?
A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity’s alignment is also neutral.
It is an Eberron setting specific rule that that does not have to be the case. Which is why it is something that has to be specifically called out in the Eberron Campaign Setting rules.
I recall seeing somewhere that Rich said his for was lawful good, but I'm not sure on that and would have no idea where to begin looking.
How ironic. I was also going to add in my list:
3) Rich has said that Thor is Lawful Good, hasn't he?
But I deleted it because I didn't want to reopen that can of worms.
As far as I know, Rich has never addressed the exact alignment status of Thor on this board. Not once. Never ever ever. No, not even then.
What I suspect happened was a giant (no pun intended) game of telephone where people mangled "whether the alignment printed in the D&D book for Thor was 100% appropriate" into "Thor is Lawful Good". Or it might have been that someone once said that "Oh, I bet that Thor is Lawful Good" and a few months down the road a poster misremembered who said it and then claimed it might have been Rich who said it and that was then mangled into Rich definitely said it.
I do know is that posters have authoritatively claimed in the past that Rich has said it, but when asked to provide proof, they couldn't. Some of them would point back to the post I linked to as half-remembered proof. But, again, all that says is that Thor isn't exactly the same as the one in the Deities and Demigods sourcebook. Others would just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I saw other posters say it." Which is certainly true. But not very helpful.
Now it is certainly possible that Rich has indeed addressed the alignment status of Thor, and I've never seen it. But I did a pretty exhaustive Google Search and Wayback Machine search and couldn't find anything. And, besides, without wanting to turn this into a debate on the subject (this isn't the thread for the subject and we've had plenty of them anyways) does Thor really look like a candidate for Lawfulness?
The one-step rule for clerics is a part of the core rules, included in the Player's Handbook and the SRD. It is possible that the Stickverse ignores that rule just like Eberron, but so far we haven't had any proof of that.
It's a little more complicated than that... The Player's Handbook assumes that every cleric worships one god.
But the Southern Gods in OOTS, as we've seen, are worshipped collectively as a pantheon. Miko (and others) call on "the Twelve Gods", even though (we strongly suspect) some of those gods are actively evil.
So that's at least one respect in which religion in OOTS seems to differ from Core.
But this isn't really the thread to discuss this, anyway. The Giant hasn't addressed the subject (as far as anyone can find), so it's moot.
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3) Rich has said that Thor is Lawful Good, hasn't he?
But I deleted it because I didn't want to reopen that can of worms.
As far as I know, Rich has never addressed the exact alignment status of Thor on this board. Not once. Never ever ever. No, not even then.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the post, but I don't really feel like digging through Rich's post archive looking for it.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen the post, but I don't really feel like digging through Rich's post archive looking for it.
I'm 98% sure it isn't there. I spent far too much time a couple of years back when this issue came up once before.
Actually looking for talk about Thor being Lawful is what led me, in a round about way, to the Wayback Machine link I have above.
Now if anyone can find a post where Rich said that Thor was Lawful, I will A) Be grateful that the issue has been laid to rest once and for all. And B) Most certainly (and gladly) eat my humble pie on the issue.
Also, I should mention, since it's my first time posting in this thread - this is a fantastic resource. Congratulations on putting this together, Phantasm.
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I was surprised not to see this linked here when checking for it to reference for a recent discussion in the Geekery thread, but since I found it by other means, I figured I should post it here for addition to the first post:
For the "D&D Rules and Explanations" section: None-core Spells and Mass Death Ward - The Giant normally treats core spells as common knowledge and everything else as obscure (requiring research) or non-existant, because he cannot assume that his readers are familiar every spell in the game, but can assume most are familiar with the PHB. Also, he was unaware that Mass Death Ward was an actual spell, and his own version in the comic is 7th-level, not 8th-level as the actual spell is.
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Slight correction: you listed that as "Tsukiko's Mass Death Ward," but it was Durkon's spell, not Tsukiko's.
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Several things in this post. There's a bit of clarification on how Cloister works, and (more importantly, to my mind) a note about narrative purpose. Don't say there's no possible narrative purpose for something.
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Wasn't there a post from a few months ago where Rich said people predicting what's going to happen doesn't really bother him anymore?
I don't expect/want any of these in the OP, but I'm just gonna leave them here 'cause why not:
Edited Panel: Just the bowdlerized version of the panel from Dragon #358. More Prequels: The chances of additional prequels are very high. Also, the number of prequels planned is pretty much fixed, they just can't be published until certain facts have been revealed in-comic. The Giant is not going to invent prequels for minor characters just to pad out the story. Book Colours: There are many shades of green.
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I spent far too much time a couple of years back when this issue came up once before. 
