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Old 03-17-2012, 05:32 AM   Top  -  End  -  #511
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Submission's a pretty good move, and there aren't many better TMs for fighting type moves, so I'd say level 35. Hydro Pump isn't the best, and Belly Drum isn't something to use in a Nuzlocke.
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Question: why can't sunspot just burn the spores? Seems like fire types would be pretty incompatible with parasites as they could just run a really high fever.
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Question: why can't sunspot just burn the spores? Seems like fire types would be pretty incompatible with parasites as they could just run a really high fever.
It's the same thing as with the Wigglytuff. Sunspot is assuming orders that aren't there and then acting on them. He took the order to let Endo spore him as he has to have the spores. (If it were Jango being infested the spores would have dealt with secretly, and she would have neglected to tell Melinda what happened.)
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Which causes me to ask what happens if a pokemon tries to disobey a direct order? Do they think it but find their body unresponsive, or does it alter their mind in such a way that the thought of taking action to disobey never occurs to them.

If the latter what is the difference between thinking an order has been given and actually being given an order? Since they believe it to be an order the idea of resisting is not there, so if Melinda tricks them into following a suggestion, it is the same as if she had given an order, at least in their minds. In which case, I don't see how much of a case could be made for it being the pokemon's fault.

If the former, would it not become habbit especially for one who has suffered from her trickery to test the limits of each command? Put simply to always try and disobey as a failsafe against such suggestions, or in an attempt to find loopholes.

Back to the latter, if she is ordering them what to think does she have the power to entirely rewrite their personalities if it pleases her.

Or worse, since she probably won't mind what they think (being evil and all) couldn't Melinda order them to act like that was what their personality was? So she could rewrite all of their actions other than their thoughts which she never has to here.

Basically how does the mind control work and how diabolical can it become? And while we're at it could she do this to any pokemon whose pokeball she owns or if they are too high level would she need the gym badges to subjugate it to her will?
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Which causes me to ask what happens if a pokemon tries to disobey a direct order? Do they think it but find their body unresponsive, or does it alter their mind in such a way that the thought of taking action to disobey never occurs to them.

If the latter what is the difference between thinking an order has been given and actually being given an order? Since they believe it to be an order the idea of resisting is not there, so if Melinda tricks them into following a suggestion, it is the same as if she had given an order, at least in their minds. In which case, I don't see how much of a case could be made for it being the pokemon's fault.

If the former, would it not become habbit especially for one who has suffered from her trickery to test the limits of each command? Put simply to always try and disobey as a failsafe against such suggestions, or in an attempt to find loopholes.

Back to the latter, if she is ordering them what to think does she have the power to entirely rewrite their personalities if it pleases her.

Or worse, since she probably won't mind what they think (being evil and all) couldn't Melinda order them to act like that was what their personality was? So she could rewrite all of their actions other than their thoughts which she never has to here.

Basically how does the mind control work and how diabolical can it become? And while we're at it could she do this to any pokemon whose pokeball she owns or if they are too high level would she need the gym badges to subjugate it to her will?
For a pokemon to try to resist a direct order. It has to go though mental wordplay that would allow it to fulfill what the order actually says instead of the spirit of the order. (Or if the order is poorly worded, not fulfilling the order. i.e If Melinda said "Jango I order you to kill" Jango could subvert it by thinking that her order never said when to kill. Or what to kill.) If the pokemon does not go though such wordplay, or fails to do so then if it tries to resist it's body locks up.

Smarter, Insightful pokemon are harder to control as they are better able to twist wordings. While dumber, less insightful pokemon are easier since they lack the ability to twist words.

(Sunspot's not particularity insightful so it's not easy for him to twist Melinda words, and he's also terrified of her so he doesn't want to risk her anger by doing so)

Note that some species of pokemon can nullify certain orders. Diglett and Dugtrios are completely immune to any order that would involve showing their lower appendages. Legendaries are immune to any non combat order.

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So if Jango was given the order "You will act as if you agreed with my philosophy and way of doing things at all times. You will also act as if you like it." what would he do?
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So if Jango was given the order "You will act as if you agreed with my philosophy and way of doing things at all times. You will also act as if you like it." what would he do?
Probably explode or lock up.
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So if Jango was given the order "You will act as if you agreed with my philosophy and way of doing things at all times. You will also act as if you like it." what would he do?
She.

Well the biggest issue with that, is unless Melinda actually gave her a list of her philosophies that's way too open to interpretation. Jango thinks she's psycho. Biollante thinks she's the most wonderful person ever.

I guess Jango would have to anchor upon the few good and not evil traits she has. Jango could still treat Jango's friends and family wonderfully. (Melinda's loyal until betrayed). Jango would do her best not to feel slighted, because Melinda rarely cares enough to torment strangers, unless she's curious.



But that would be interesting. If Jango wants to stop herself from doing evil. She needs to warp her view more to Melinda's side.
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Submission's a pretty good move, and there aren't many better TMs for fighting type moves, so I'd say level 35. Hydro Pump isn't the best, and Belly Drum isn't something to use in a Nuzlocke.
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That last dialogue made me like Grumbles a lot.
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The dream eater, or the learning Shadow punch?
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The shadow punch one. As I read it it was like he felt like a kid again.
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Poor Kuma, rapidly descending into horrible evil. Almost surprised he hasn't used his powers of "Submission" to begin procreating the next generation of crusaders...

Yay, Grumbles! You are always so fun!

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Poor Kuma, rapidly descending into horrible evil. Almost surprised he hasn't used his powers of "Submission" to begin procreating the next generation of crusaders...

Yay, Grumbles! You are always so fun!

Great update as always, thanks!
That's probably not forum appropriate. No I totally thought of that :p
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What do you use to induce trade evos?
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Sheer awesome.




I used YAPE. I change the evolutions to something else. (Typically happiness)
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Great update! I just caught up! Why would you do that to sunspot! Melinda shall burn! I swear it. I hope Illven will not judge me too harshly.
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I'm waiting for her to fall into a pit of Dittos after beating the league. Or going on to Unova *nudgenudge*.

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There is an unova rom...
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For the gba? Huh. I never knew. What are the differences?
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I dont know about GBA, but I know there's a good DS rom that I've been using. I don't know if it's against forum rules to say the name in a post, so PM me if you're interested and I can find you a link.
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Old 03-28-2012, 04:20 PM   Top  -  End  -  #539
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I love Kelk. So much. He and Jango are my faves. I hope Melinda doesn't corrupt him, and maybe even the other way around, with him making her a better person (This is a nightmare fuel story, so probably not gonna happen but I can dream)
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:35 PM   Top  -  End  -  #540
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Welp, Kelk is now my favorite of all your pokemon thus far. He's like me...almost exactly with his comforting..I wonder what he'll do if he finds out Melinda is as cruel as she is....He's just so...nice and friendly

Wonderful update Sir :)

but tere is a typo right after the Wigglytuff picture.
"Hello there dear. Can I interest you in a candlelit dinner by the lake side under the full moon?"
"Is that what there calling it
now
?"

"There" should be "they're"

Just a small typo no harm done mon ami!
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