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Old 12-21-2011, 11:06 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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It's the 12th official Magic: the Gathering thread on Giantitp forums!
This is the place for everything regarding the game - rules questions, your own card creations, decks, reports, rants about recent sets/cards/rules changes, the storyline, favorite cards/colors/sets/characters/pros/articles, the absolute glory/terrible creation that is Elder Dragon Highlander Commander, or any other awesome Magical exploits.
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How many rarity levels are there in Magic? This Angelic Overseer I found seems to have a reddish crown.
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How many rarity levels are there in Magic? This Angelic Overseer I found seems to have a reddish crown.
4. Common, uncommon, rare and Mythic rare.
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Angelic Overseer is a Mythic Rare, which is the 4th rarity. I forget what the ratio is supposed to be, I think it's supposed to be about 1 out of every 8 packs has a Mythic Rare.
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I'm all in favor of the Modern bans. Zoo's still playable - Kird Ape and Loam Lion are around, as is Steppe Lynx. And Punishing Fires was just annoying and oppressive. Personally, I think they could have unbanned Green Sun's Zenith, since there'll be multiple aggro/midrange archetypes for it to go in.
Yes, 1/8 rares are mythic rares instead.
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Angelic Overseer is a Mythic Rare, which is the 4th rarity. I forget what the ratio is supposed to be, I think it's supposed to be about 1 out of every 8 packs has a Mythic Rare.
Hm, excellent. Thanks for the information.
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So, looking at EDH generals. Any suggestions for amusing (not necessarily amazing) R/W or G/B generals that you've seen in action?
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Savra can be quite interesting, and Skullbriar can make for some interesting decks...that's all I can think of, though.
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Thelon of Havenwood, Nath of the Gilt Leaf, and Vhati il-Dal are the remaining interesting G/B Generals. I have a Skullbriar deck, but it's somewhat schizophrenic and I'm not sure that Skullbriar is really the best man for the job.

As for R/W, Brion Stoutarm and Jor Kadeen are the most popular and pretty easy to work out. I've seen a Razia deck in action before, mostly using Razia as a big beatstick in a R/W controlish deck.
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Thelon of Havenwood, Nath of the Gilt Leaf, and Vhati il-Dal are the remaining interesting G/B Generals. I have a Skullbriar deck, but it's somewhat schizophrenic and I'm not sure that Skullbriar is really the best man for the job.
By remaining, you mean...?

Skullbriar is a guy I've been looking at a lot recently, and I really *want* to make something happen with him, but yeah, I'm not sure EDH is where that's going to happen.

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As for R/W, Brion Stoutarm and Jor Kadeen are the most popular and pretty easy to work out. I've seen a Razia deck in action before, mostly using Razia as a big beatstick in a R/W controlish deck.
Huh. Never thought of Razia. Yeah, I did kinda notice that the R/W general options are... slim, to say the least. Thanks for the suggestion on Razia.

Any thoughts about how to make a Kaalia of the Vast deck work well? Just throwing good Dragons, Demons, and Angels in a pile isn't exactly the best plan ever.
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Make sure your curve is reasonable. A lot of Kaalia decks cram a ton of huge fatties in there which means that if Kaalia is ever denied to you you're an agro deck with a curve that starts at 6, which is obviously terrible.

Make sure you have sources of card advantage. Kaalia can dump her hand pretty quickly, so you need ways of getting cards back. Bloodgift Demon, Knollspine Dragon, Rune-Scarred Demon, and Spinerock Knoll are all good cards to look at.

Have ways to close out the game that don't involve attacking with creatures. Earthquake effects are very good for this since you can close out games with it or use it to clear the board while keeping your stuff. Mass land destruction is excellent at this, since once you drop a couple fatties it'll make sure that your opponents can't stop them (It gets looked down on in EDH, but I think it gets a much worse reputation than it deserves. Casting Obliterate to reset the game just because, or because you're about to die is incredibly frustrating and should be discouraged. Casting Obliterate because you've got 2 powerful enchantments in play, a planeswalker about to go ultimate, and 8 mana floating is a legitimate way of winning the game).
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Savra can be quite interesting, and Skullbriar can make for some interesting decks...that's all I can think of, though.
Not mentioned in this post, right before mine.

Skullbriar isn't bad, it's just that the deck I built may not be the best home for him. I do like what he does, and I do think he could be a pretty viable threat, but I'm not sure that the deck I built is the right place for him.

There are 2 Generals in each of those colors that I didn't mention, but none of them are particularly good. I mean, Agrus Kos is okay and Basandra is an Air Elemental, but most people prefer the others, and Rhys is just worse than Nath if what you want is Elves and Sisters of Stone Death is not something you need to be playing (though still about as workable as Razia, actually).
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What about Glissa the Traitor? Something wrong with her as a B/G general?
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Um, no, I just forgot her. Which is really awkward, because she's AWESOME. Though really annoying to play against if done in the annoying way, which is really one of the few ways she actually works.
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Um, no, I just forgot her. Which is really awkward, because she's AWESOME. Though really annoying to play against if done in the annoying way, which is really one of the few ways she actually works.
"The annoying way"?

I'm curious, because I have her, and she's going to be my general for a B/G infect EDH deck.
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The "kill all your stuff and never let you have nice things" way. Which is really the best way to play her. Just kill all their stuff and reuse innocuous artifacts like Nihil Spellbomb or Armillary Sphere. Then draw Executioner's Capsule, kill everything, and move on with your day.
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The "kill all your stuff and never let you have nice things" way. Which is really the best way to play her. Just kill all their stuff and reuse innocuous artifacts like Nihil Spellbomb or Armillary Sphere. Then draw Executioner's Capsule, kill everything, and move on with your day.
Aaaah.

Ooh. Nihil Spellbomb is nice.

Moar artifacts. My EDH deck. It needz them.
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Real men and women use Iname as One as their general.
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The whole "costs 12" and "only does something if you cast it from your hand" makes Iname as One a weaker choice than, say, either other Iname. If you do play it, though, I suppose you could theoretically make it not terrible.
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The whole "costs 12" and "only does something if you cast it from your hand" makes Iname as One a weaker choice than, say, either other Iname. If you do play it, though, I suppose you could theoretically make it not terrible.
Hence, the "Real men" comment. Awesome, but useless.


EDIT: Well, useless unless you come up with a convoluted plan to use it, at least.
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It just made me think of a two-headed commander game, each with a 50 card commander deck which get smooshed together.
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I decided to scrap one of my German Highlander decks for trade cards and got some good stuff for my EDH deck today (Consecrated Sphinx, Life's Finale, Watery Grave, Mana Vault and some more I forgot already). Here's what I've got so far for Mimeoplasm Combo/Reanimator.

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Necrotic Ooze+Phyrexian Devourer+Triskelion
Skithiryx+Lord of Extinction or a power 6+ creature.

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Well, Tempest Block Sealed is an absolutely silly format. And yet I cannot stop playing it.
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's what I've got so far for Mimeoplasm Combo/Reanimator.

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Necrotic Ooze+Phyrexian Devourer+Triskelion
Skithiryx+Lord of Extinction or a power 6+ creature.
If you're doing a graveyard combo with Mimeoplasm, you should run Corpse Connoisseur to set up both halves.

Also, as long as you're on the "Big creature plus X" plan for Mimeoplasm, you might as well run Cold-Eyed Selkie (or Needle Specter, or Invisible Stalker)
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I did consider Corpse Connoiseur for a bit, but at cmc 5 he's essentially worse entomb. I'm already strapped for slots and can't really think of what to take out to make room.
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I did consider Corpse Connoiseur for a bit, but at cmc 5 he's essentially worse entomb.
He's a double entomb for 9 total, enough to set up the entire combo.
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Pride Guardian and Glittering Lynx are pretty terrible, and Spectral Lynx doesn't really do much without any Black in your deck. I suggest instead playing a combination of more Equipment and more useful Cats from other sets. At the very least, Leonin Shikari is a 2/2 for 2, Blade of the Sixth Pride is a 3/1 for 2, Ajani's Pridemate is a 2/2 for 2 that might get bigger some small amount of time, Leonin Skyhunter is a 2/2 with Flying, and Whitemane Lion is a combat trick that's also a Cat. Taj-Nar Swordsmith is a tutor that you should consider playing.

The biggest problem with your deck is that you're building around a 7-mana creature, yet you only have 20 lands in your deck. I don't think you'll ever actually get to catch Raksha, so it might be a better idea to cut him and replace him with something else. There are many awesome Tribal pump cards that don't require you to play a 7-mana creature or put an equipment on him.
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You definitely want one more land to reliably curve into Khemba+equip and fuel White Sun's Zeniths, and 25+ if you want to run Raksha. (trim 2 Rakshas for extra lands, or trim all 4 Rakshas)

Also, you could diversify your offense considerably using equipment-enhanced fliers. Leonin Skyhunter and Khemba's Skyguard hit fast in the air, and Ajani's Pridemate on the ground is decent when curved into the Skyguard. (Cut the Pride Guardians, Spectral Lynxes and Savannah Lions for these).

Finally, for those permanents you just can't beat (ranging from Shepherd of the Lost to Gideon Jura), there's always Oblivion Ring.
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