Bleach V: Well that was a waste of time (Fullbring? What's that?)

[Gilphon]

I don't believe they've done anything to establish any kind of upper bound on their power so far.

Well, the one Ichigo's fighting has, but there's nothing saying that some of the others aren't captain-level.

[Red XIV]

Originally Posted by lord_khaine

Also, do we know if Orihime can actualy bring people back from the dead?

I only remember her healing mortal wounds swiftly after they were inflicted.

As I recall, one of the mortal wounds she healed swiftly after it was inflicted was of somebody who had their head disintegrated. Since the way her "healing" works is actually to reverse time within boundary of her force field, so that the wounds never actually happened, it doesn't seem like any surprise that she'd be able to reverse death.

Originally Posted by HandofShadows

Used to hate I would think. Several Captains are Vizards now.

Now to figure out what Vandenreich means. Reich stands for kingdom or empire. A Third Reich was one of the worst things in human history. Does not look all that positive.

The Japanese text used for Vandenreich was 「見えざる帝国」 ("Miezaru Teikoku"), meaning "Invisible Empire".

[Tenno Seremel]

Originally Posted by Red XIV

Since the way her "healing" works is actually to reverse time within boundary of her force field

Wasn't it stated that it's not how her powers work? AFAIR she is a reality warper.

[Drolyt]

Originally Posted by Tenno Seremel

Wasn't it stated that it's not how her powers work? AFAIR she is a reality warper.

There have been several contradictory statements with regards to her powers. I don't think there is any point it trying to figure it out.

[Tenno Seremel]

Originally Posted by Drolyt

There have been several contradictory statements with regards to her powers. I don't think there is any point it trying to figure it out.

If I remember it right Hatchi said it's time-based first, but then revoked his statement. Plus Aizen's "rivals god" remark.

[BlackDragonKing]

What Orihime actually does is kind of like where Chad got his powers from. The proper answer is "whatever Kubo wants that particular week", and to analyze further is to invite headaches.

[jindra34]

Originally Posted by BlackDragonKing

What Orihime actually does is kind of like where Chad got his powers from. The proper answer is "whatever Kubo wants that particular week", and to analyze further is to invite headaches.

With Orihime the one common theme is that they don't actually heal but rather make it so the person was never hurt. Kinda like how Chad's abilities are always related to hollows.

[HandofShadows]

Originally Posted by Red XIV

The Japanese text used for Vandenreich was 「見えざる帝国」 ("Miezaru Teikoku"), meaning "Invisible Empire".

LOL Guess I am showing my age a little, but there was a movie serial from the 1930's by that name? Or it had an Invisable Empire in it at least. The name used to describe the KKK at one time. I doubt Kubo knows about that though.

[irenicObserver]

It would be awesome for Quincy to gain power in such a way, their power is dependent on the spiritual enviroment, Vizard's hollowified spiritual pressure auto-cannibalise increasing stamina and reducing lost energy. If the two combine, then you have a people that have a capability for reishi dominance combined with a power-eating monster.

Originally Posted by nazgulnine

Quick translation of all the titles:

KriegsErklärung: "WarDeclaration". Already the title brings us back to the purpose of this chapter. The masked leader stated last chapter "we declare war on Soul Society."

Vandenreich: "van den reich" (of the empire, using Dutch and German phrases)... we already know Kubo doesn't have the best grammar in other languages. I'm also suspecting it should be "vondenreich" since the "van" is Dutch, but is the German pronunciation when transliterated into Japanese. Not a good German linguist, so I'm not sure if it should be von der reich or not.

The Vonderreich run by Wonderweiss (that makes sense in my head)

[Drolyt]

New Chapter.

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Can't say much has happened. I'm a bit confused about why the "empire" has a "king" in the translation I read.

[HandofShadows]

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Empires can have kings. Look that teh British Empire.

[Drolyt]

Originally Posted by HandofShadows

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Empires can have kings. Look that teh British Empire.

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Kind of. The reason the British Empire had a king/queen was because they were seperately monarch of each individual territory rather than ruling over all of it as a single entity. For example, the syle of George V was "By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India". Not "King of the British Empire" or "Emperor of Britain". Note the Emperor of India part. India was considered an empire; the Kingdom of England was not. Although the term "British Empire" was common, it was never the official name of the empire and was used primarily to emphasize that the king's authority was equal to an emperor's.
Edit: More simply, the official name of the "empire" was "The Kingdom of Great Britain" and later the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland". The king was not an emperor because he did not rule the "British Empire" he ruled the "Kingdom of Great Britain", therefore he was a king not an emperor.

[nazgulnine]

Originally Posted by Drolyt

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Kind of. The reason the British Empire had a king/queen was because they were seperately monarch of each individual territory rather than ruling over all of it as a single entity. For example, the syle of George V was "By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas King, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India". Not "King of the British Empire" or "Emperor of Britain". Note the Emperor of India part. India was considered an empire; the Kingdom of England was not. Although the term "British Empire" was common, it was never the official name of the empire and was used primarily to emphasize that the king's authority was equal to an emperor's.
Edit: More simply, the official name of the "empire" was "The Kingdom of Great Britain" and later the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The king was not an emperor because he did not rule the "British Empire" he ruled the "Kingdom of Great Britain", therefore he was a king not an emperor.

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Just going ahead to bold that bit because I think that's the point. At the end of the chapter, Joe Dirt's title likely has little to no meaning other than to show he's the Vandenreich's leader, but we're all free to question the terminology (and I for one thank you for pointing out the distinctions between kingdoms and empires). I read a translation that simply said "the empire's king appears!" Whether he's their actual king or leader is still up to revelation.

[DiscipleofBob]

You know it's a slow week in Bleach when the hot topic of conversation is the semantic difference between king and emperor.

[HandofShadows]

Oh there are other issues. Like it seems that many of the bad guys don't get along AT ALL. Also the HollowQuicy are not effected by the standard defences in the SS. Also we get a look at the Hidden Empire. I wonder if the bad guys had been kidnapping people from the SS.

[Drolyt]

Originally Posted by nazgulnine

Spoiler

Just going ahead to bold that bit because I think that's the point. At the end of the chapter, Joe Dirt's title likely has little to no meaning other than to show he's the Vandenreich's leader, but we're all free to question the terminology (and I for one thank you for pointing out the distinctions between kingdoms and empires). I read a translation that simply said "the empire's king appears!" Whether he's their actual king or leader is still up to revelation.

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Actually, the more I think about it the more I think it was just sloppy translation. Reich is often translated empire in English, but my research suggests that it's meaning is a more general realm (disclaimer: I do not speak German) or, in Latin, regnum, as opposed to imperium (disclaimer: I don't speak Latin either, but these terms are used outside Latin in reference to sovereignty). That said I have no idea what word they are translating as king.

[nazgulnine]

Originally Posted by DiscipleofBob

You know it's a slow week in Bleach when the hot topic of conversation is the semantic difference between king and emperor.

First time I've laughed this hard today.
By the way, does anyone else see the (glaring, to me) similarities between these guys and the Arrancar?

• They have pretty white uniforms
• They use an "exotic foreign language." Probably for everything.
• They can rip through reality to travel to Alaska
• They have a secret base, funny-looking castle included, in Alaska
• Their resident smartass gets his arm ripped off by his boss as a punishment
• They've got an issue with society and they're gonna fight. For their right. To party.

[darksolitaire]

Originally Posted by nazgulnine

• They can rip through reality to travel to Alaska
• They have a secret base, funny-looking castle included, in Alaska

Alaska?!

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Try South/North Pole.

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Edit: don't read too much to it, mate.

[Anteros]

There are snowy places all over the world. Including Germany and Japan. Seems silly to argue about where the base is.

Also, the arm-ripped-off guy looks a little like Aizen. He's obviously the big bad.

[nazgulnine]

Arctic would've been a better word; I was thinking of wintertime Alaska; my first instinct was to go with Antarctica but I thought, who would get the joke, then I thought to go with Greenland, but I thought, no the joke's no good, so I went with Alaska, for the layman's joke. So... no offense to you if you're Alaskan or to any other Alaskans out there. I love your people and your culture.

But seriously, do we think it's just another place in the real world, or is it in another dimension, like the southern/northern hemisphere of Hueco Mundo? We haven't seen the place yet, aside from their house being covered in ice and the fact that its dark wherever they are. And I think that little grey squiggle behind their house is supposed to be an aurora or something. Maybe fog?

Oh, and not that it means anything, but give a close look to their belltower; it has a little cross for a window. Very Quincy-chic.

[Fredaintdead]

Originally Posted by nazgulnine

Very Quincy-chic.

HIPSTER QUINCY. Firing arrows and hating Shinigami before it was cool!

[Closet_Skeleton]

Reich means 'realm', not empire. Frankriech means France, Konigsreich means kingdom, Deutchesreich is a old fashioned alternative to Deutchland used after the abolition of the monarchy and until the post ww2 partition. The more official name for the Drittesreich was the Grossdeutches Reich after 1943 and the Nazis actually banned the name 'Drittesreich' in 1939. Its Kaiserreich that means empire.

Its a cognate with the english term 'rich', which isn't used in the same way .

[thubby]

Originally Posted by Closet_Skeleton

Reich means 'realm', not empire. Frankriech means France, Konigsreich means kingdom, Deutchesreich is a old fashioned alternative to Deutchland used after the abolition of the monarchy and until the post ww2 partition. The more official name for the Drittesreich was the Grossdeutches Reich after 1943 and the Nazis actually banned the name 'Drittesreich' in 1939. Its Kaiserreich that means empire.

Its a cognate with the english term 'rich', which isn't used in the same way .

except it's probably not so literal. you have to realize the word is being used by a japanese person.
much how otaku has a different meaning in america than in japan, reich evokes a different image to people outside Germany.
my guess is that he was aiming for reich to click with what most people know. the 3rd reich aka nazi germany.

[Drolyt]

Originally Posted by Closet_Skeleton

Reich means 'realm', not empire. Frankriech means France, Konigsreich means kingdom, Deutchesreich is a old fashioned alternative to Deutchland used after the abolition of the monarchy and until the post ww2 partition. The more official name for the Drittesreich was the Grossdeutches Reich after 1943 and the Nazis actually banned the name 'Drittesreich' in 1939. Its Kaiserreich that means empire.

Its a cognate with the english term 'rich', which isn't used in the same way .

Reich can mean empire though. Heiliges Römisches Reich is the same as Imperium Romanum Sacrum or Holy Roman Empire.

Originally Posted by thubby

except it's probably not so literal. you have to realize the word is being used by a japanese person.
much how otaku has a different meaning in america than in japan, reich evokes a different image to people outside Germany.
my guess is that he was aiming for reich to click with what most people know. the 3rd reich aka nazi germany.

Oddly reich makes me think of the HRE not the Nazis. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I wonder if the Japanese have different preconceptions than we do?

[thubby]

Originally Posted by Drolyt

Oddly reich makes me think of the HRE not the Nazis. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I wonder if the Japanese have different preconceptions than we do?

distinct possibility given how anime often like christian symbolism.
point being, it's not a question of definitions, but imagery.

[Soras Teva Gee]

That guy in the last panel, you know I think I've seen him before somewhere...

...ahh here it is...

Which also includes my crack "what if its not the Quincy" guess.

[Turalisj]

Snrk....

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. I laughed out loud at that.

[HandofShadows]

Originally Posted by nazgulnine

First time I've laughed this hard today.
By the way, does anyone else see the (glaring, to me) similarities between these guys and the Arrancar?

• They have pretty white uniforms
• They use an "exotic foreign language." Probably for everything.
• They can rip through reality to travel to Alaska
• They have a secret base, funny-looking castle included, in Alaska
• Their resident smartass gets his arm ripped off by his boss as a punishment
• They've got an issue with society and they're gonna fight. For their right. To party.

• Soul Reapers wear black. So the enemy wears white in oppostition. Also our local Quicy wears white.
• Chad uses a foreign language as well.
• Well they HAVE to be able to rip holes in reality or else there is no way to they could go any place. An enemy that can't attack you is no real threat.
• Not Alaska. A whole different dimension.
• Same result, but different reasons. It was done here more or less as crualty. With a certain Arancar it was done as punishment for not following orders and screwing up while doing so.

[jindra34]

Hand: It is Alaska just like the how Aizen used Mexico and it was Mexico.

[Dusk Eclipse]

How did Aizen used Mexico? The Spanish terminology for Arrancar? Because I felt it was more Spanish (as in the country) Spanish as opposed to "Mexican" Spanish.