Bleach V: Well that was a waste of time (Fullbring? What's that?)

[DiscipleofBob]

Originally Posted by Fjolnir

If Uryu was not helping the quincies, I would be MORE shocked...

I don't see why he would.

He admitted in his first appearance that he didn't mind Soul Society's extermination of the Quincy clan. His only beef with the Shinigami was Kurotsuchi indirectly killing his grandfather

[Drolyt]

Originally Posted by Fjolnir

If Uryu was not helping the quincies, I would be MORE shocked...

I'm more interested in seeing what Ryuuken does, and hopefully getting some of his and Isshin's backstory.

[Prime32]

I already feel sorry for whoever tries to steal Mayuri's bankai.

[Elhann]

So, once again, if SoiFong hates her bankai as much as she told Barragan, and SS knows that these quincy can steal bankais, and her bankai probably does a LOT of collateral damage, is there a reason not to use her shikai instead?

Maybe her flash-step advanced technique if you want... I can understand Hitsugaya and Komamura going bankai from the begining, because it's THEIR style, and it has been since their first fights. Byakuya is resorceful enough to crush his opponent without bankai, and proud enough to allow Masked Quincy to seal it just to see how they do that, and give him his little lecture about how Byakuya is better and cooler than everyone not Byakuya.

But SoiFong going bankai immediately? Really?

[jindra34]

Originally Posted by Elhann

But SoiFong going bankai immediately? Really?

Apparently those cloaks the wear make them near impervious to shikai and lower techs. And Soi can still use shunko, so shes not at the much of a disadvantage (unlike the other 3). At least till they reveal a counter to it. It also seems (given the whole expository plan deal) that these 4 captains were given orders to go out there and use their Bankai.

[Mercenary Pen]

Originally Posted by jindra34

Apparently those cloaks the wear make them near impervious to shikai and lower techs. And Soi can still use shunko, so shes not at the much of a disadvantage (unlike the other 3). At least till they reveal a counter to it. It also seems (given the whole expository plan deal) that these 4 captains were given orders to go out there and use their Bankai.

I'm not certain that Byakuya's at that much of a disadvantage, considering he's got a level of mobility almost up there with Yoruichi and SoiFong, and has been known to use Kido onslaughts on occasion- so even if his only contribution was to keep the quincy from being able to somehow steal Renji's bankai, that could be decisive...

[Xondoure]

This is assuming they didn't lose their reiatsu along with their bankai.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

Originally Posted by Infernally Clay

I care!

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Did you notice how Hitsugaya's Bankai no longer has the floating flowers? Seems Kubo was being honest when he said Hitsugaya mastered his Bankai over the timeskip.

It's becoming more and more one-sided, though, this fight. Stealing Bankai thematically fits how the Quincy work, but if they actually use those Bankai... That's a huge boost to their reiatsu on top of giving them the Bankai's abilities as well. How can you beat someone with a weapon five to ten times stronger than what you've got?

Komamura is the only one who might pull through - and even then that's only because his Bankai transfers the damage dealt to it to the wielder as well.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh if only Kubo were a decent enough writer to take advantage of the Worf effect he's established in order to turn it on whoever Hoover'd THAT! That might make up for the entire Fullbring arc.

[jindra34]

Originally Posted by Hadrian_Emrys

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh if only Kubo were a decent enough writer to take advantage of the Worf effect he's established in order to turn it on whoever Hoover'd THAT! That might make up for the entire Fullbring arc.

The only thing that would make up for the Fullbring arc is one of them showing up to do something productive against the super-quincy. After the SS gets its butt handed to it.

[Socratov]

So... New Chapter...

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I liked it. A bit. I mean, sure they play the Ichigo card (and we know his bankai can't be stolen), but the faces of those captains... Priceless

Then again, I expect an asspull from Kubo because he's nothing left to do...

[Haruspex_Pariah]

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Mayuri has a point; even if you're going to test your opponent's counter-bankai technique, you don't have to use four bankais at once.

Hitsugaya's reaction seems to suggest that the technique "silences" the zanpakuto. Surely it doesn't take the entire sword spirit out?

[DiscipleofBob]

Originally Posted by Haruspex_Pariah

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Mayuri has a point; even if you're going to test your opponent's counter-bankai technique, you don't have to use four bankais at once.

Hitsugaya's reaction seems to suggest that the technique "silences" the zanpakuto. Surely it doesn't take the entire sword spirit out?

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Counterpoint: The Captains already knew someone was going to have to sacrifice their bankai as soon as possible to try and figure out what exactly the Uberquincy were doing, and since they were surprise attacked on multiple fronts they weren't really in synch. It could just be that four captains managed to get their bankais stolen before the report came in that said "Hey, no really, don't do that."

Still not the best tactics, basically four people running suicide missions when all you needed was one, but oh well.

Personally I think the greatest loss here is Soi Fong's shikai.

[Ramza00]

A Quincy already did something that Coyote Starrk wasn't able to do. He actually hit Shunsui Kyōraku, the captain of the 8th division, without Kyoraku being distracted by his best friend getting fisted in the chest.

[jindra34]

Originally Posted by Ramza00

A Quincy already did something that Coyote Starrk wasn't able to do. He actually hit Shunsui Kyōraku, the captain of the 8th division, without Kyoraku being distracted by his best friend getting fisted in the chest.

So the Quincy are more competent than the Espada. Thats no big deal considering that if the Espada and Aizen had been competent then the manga would be over already.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Originally Posted by Ramza00

A Quincy already did something that Coyote Starrk wasn't able to do. He actually hit Shunsui Kyōraku, the captain of the 8th division, without Kyoraku being distracted by his best friend getting fisted in the chest.

Not true, Starrk was able to hit Shunsui more then a couple of times. Hell, Shunsui only survived cause he has the most hax shikai ever...next to Aizen anyway.

Also...

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"I used to be a captain like you, but then I took a bullet in the eye..."

[Friv]

Originally Posted by DiscipleofBob

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Counterpoint: The Captains already knew someone was going to have to sacrifice their bankai as soon as possible to try and figure out what exactly the Uberquincy were doing, and since they were surprise attacked on multiple fronts they weren't really in synch. It could just be that four captains managed to get their bankais stolen before the report came in that said "Hey, no really, don't do that."

Still not the best tactics, basically four people running suicide missions when all you needed was one, but oh well.

Personally I think the greatest loss here is Soi Fong's shikai.

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I generally agree with this one. It's all worth considering which four captains it was who wound up making the attempt.
* Soi Fon, given her speed and the overwhelming nature of her bankai, may well have hoped to successfully land a blow before she could be sealed.
* Hitsugaya is young, extremely rash, and prone to grandiose acts of self-sacrifice. Deciding himself as the sacrifice for figuring out just how things work makes a lot of sense.
* Byakuya had a second guy with bankai with him, and reasonably believed that if his was sealed, Renji would be able to step up and take the enemy out, unsealing himself. He made what he believed was a tactical sacrifice, only to discover it was much more serious.
* Komamaru is kind of an idiot.

[HandofShadows]

I wonder, since Ichigo is out of touch at the moment, I wonder who will answer the call for help?

[DiscipleofBob]

Originally Posted by HandofShadows

I wonder, since Ichigo is out of touch at the moment, I wonder who will answer the call for help?

The gate opens to the mortal world.
A shadowy figure steps forward.
Shinigami 1: "Ichigo, is that you?" But the shinigami is wrong.
The shadowy figure then does a victory pose, "SPIRITS ARE ALWAYS WITH YOU!"

[Slayer Lord]

Originally Posted by DiscipleofBob

The gate opens to the mortal world.
A shadowy figure steps forward.
Shinigami 1: "Ichigo, is that you?" But the shinigami is wrong.
The shadowy figure then does a victory pose, "SPIRITS ARE ALWAYS WITH YOU!"

So much lolz.

Yes, Don Kanonji will be the one to save the day.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Originally Posted by DiscipleofBob

The gate opens to the mortal world.
A shadowy figure steps forward.
Shinigami 1: "Ichigo, is that you?" But the shinigami is wrong.
The shadowy figure then does a victory pose, "SPIRITS ARE ALWAYS WITH YOU!"

...Bleach would be redeemed. Forever. If Don Kanonji saves the day and defeats the evil Quincy. Forever.

Because nothing short of awesomeness can come from it, that man is a hero.

[jindra34]

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Ah... Urahara. So enjoyable. And yet again the SS needs Ichigo to bail them out. Though at least someone there apparently can use logic.

[Haruspex_Pariah]

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To be fair, Ichigo won the lottery with his unique steal-proof bankai. Otherwise he'd be as useless as the four captains (and one dead lieutenant) who got robbed.

[HandofShadows]

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Urahara usually is not quite so direct and ruthless. He must be highly concerned. Also Ichigo seems to be figuring some things out. I get the impression he was trying to pump that Quincy for info rather than kill him outright. Nice transition between the two locations IMO.

[Madara]

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That was pretty good, and it seems that we got some info. Ichigo's opponent named some parts of his ability. So apparently they have to dictate how much energy goes to which part.

Silly Captains had to go and lose their Bankai.

[maximus25]

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If Ichigo was winning his fight, why did he just up and leave right as they asked for him instead of like finishing off the Quincy? I have no doubts that Urahara could have, but it would have been simpler for Ichigo to do it.

[jindra34]

Originally Posted by maximus25

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If Ichigo was winning his fight, why did he just up and leave right as they asked for him instead of like finishing off the Quincy? I have no doubts that Urahara could have, but it would have been simpler for Ichigo to do it.

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Urahara did finish off the Quincy. Apparently he is taking this whole thing kinda seriously. And unfortunately that means he interuppted Ichigo's interogation.

[Mando Knight]

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I doubt it's just Zangetsu that makes Ichigo's bankai un-steal-able. Could it be Fullbring? Or perhaps the Hollow power (which after a fashion united Ichigo with Zangetsu more fully)? Final Getsuga (meaning that he still "is" Zangetsu)?

If it's the Hollow power, then the Vandenreich could be stopped by the Visored captains. I think it's a combination of those, though, and possibly partly due to Ichigo being also human.

[HandofShadows]

Originally Posted by Mando Knight

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I doubt it's just Zangetsu that makes Ichigo's bankai un-steal-able. Could it be Fullbring? Or perhaps the Hollow power (which after a fashion united Ichigo with Zangetsu more fully)? Final Getsuga (meaning that he still "is" Zangetsu)?

If it's the Hollow power, then the Vandenreich could be stopped by the Visored captains. I think it's a combination of those, though, and possibly partly due to Ichigo being also human.

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I would go with that it is a number of factors. First is the "closed" nature of Ichigo's Bankai. It concentrates around him instead of expands outward. (The bad guys seem to be working on a counter for that though. If they do steal it they might just unleash something much worse). Also being a Visored probably helps as well. The other Visored should be much more effective against the Quicey because they are able to power up, but without the use of a Bankai. Enough to win I don't know. But the battles will be much more even. Of course there is one Captain who does not have a Bankai. I wonder how the Quincy where going to deal with him? Or maybe they never got solid intel on him and don't know what he can do. Which means they are dead meat. I don't think the Fullbring has much to do with it.

[Prime32]

Originally Posted by Madara

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That was pretty good, and it seems that we got some info. Ichigo's opponent named some parts of his ability. So apparently they have to dictate how much energy goes to which part.

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The Quincy are using incarnum!

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Originally Posted by HandofShadows

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Of course there is one Captain who does not have a Bankai. I wonder how the Quincy where going to deal with him? Or maybe they never got solid intel on him and don't know what he can do. Which means they are dead meat. I don't think the Fullbring has much to do with it.

Can't wait to see the gentleman in question engage the Quincy.