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[Ur-Quan]

I've also decided that, because of having special knowledge, my ghost-shattering laser vote will go towards billtodamax.

[Saposhiente]

The idea was that someone on a team of mine would suggest a challenge >.>
Logic!

[Murska]

I'll search spot 5 then for Sapo.

[Tom the Mime]

What are the implications of ghosts entering the vault/searching? Can their incorporeal forms find (and then use) items and gold or are they just blocking spots.

As for poems, it's not anywhere near Penguinator or Supagoof's level but:

There once was a young man from Dover,
Who wished on a bright supernova,
He wished that his mark,
That fiend Superdark
Would find that his life was now over.

[Alarra]

I'll point at Atreyu and search spot 11 and apologize for being so inactive, the past couple weeks have been crazy. I'm going to be out of town all next week, not sure what my internet access will be like. Please don't autolynch me.

[Saposhiente]

Oh, and another thing:
Ur-Quan: We're players. And that means we have votes you can't block. But it won't have to come to that, since you'll just not vote at all, right?
Brb, PMing certain people that aren't in the game...
Hahaha, STRIKE ME DOWN AND I'LL BECOME MORE POWERLOOPHOLEFUL THAN YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE!

[Ramsus]

Sapo, cut it out. You know the rules explicitly say you can't do that.
Edit: In fact, you don't get your ghost vote for the day as a penalty for intentionally trying to push things too far.

[Saposhiente]

Each Day phase everyone votes in red for one player to face the baleful gaze of the Daystar dreaded Lynch. The two players with the most votes will compete in a contest that represents the battle to win that day's lynch. Ties are resolved randomly. Each player will have values we'll call Strengths of Play (unless someone comes up with a better name). Each value will be between 1-10. The loser of the lynch dies (probably). The winner lives and gets to choose which Strength of Play the next day's contest will be using. They cannot pick the same Strength of Play as the previous day's contest.

Each Day phase everyone votes in red for one player

everyone votes

I don't think so, Ramsus. This is perfectly clear.

[Grue Bait]

Originally Posted by Saposhiente

I don't think so, Ramsus. This is perfectly clear.

I dunno, Sapo, this seems to be going against the spirit of the game, if not the explicit rules...

[Saposhiente]

I'm going to allow Ramsus to respond. If he talks with bladescape and finds it to be a terrible thing for balance and they're desperate to change it, they can change the rules or introduce an event to nullify it. Without that, the rules are what the rules are.
This is what precise language is for, people.

[TBFProgrammer]

@Rules Debate:

Spoiler

Actually, given as we have someone who can serve in a position of judgement, a certain degree of leeway can be allowed, subject to a narrator's discretion. This provides for an easier process in creating new games, which leads to more games being generated.

In certain cases timing can be essential, leading to a problem that has to be fixed in hindsight. However, most of the time a player has the luxury to question whether a certain action that appears to stretch the spirit of the rules is permissible. This is frequently the case because there is usually some time spent weighing the feasibility and wisdom of such an action before it is committed.

Remember, this is the narrator's game and the rules are laid out in an attempt to convey their intent for how the game is to be played. Clarification or even rule changes later in the game (if something is truly broken) can and do occur from time to time on this forum.

If Ramsus says it is not permitted in this game, it isn't permitted.

[Saposhiente]

In any case, if you're going to change the rules (bladescape has concurred in my QT because he can't login to GITP atm), Ramsus, then I shouldn't be punished for reading.

[Lex-Kat]

I'll take the 6^th vault spot. And join Mister Llama in killing Billtodamax.

Bad Mime!! Don't hurt my Llama! *Smacks the mime*

[Ramsus]

Sapo, you have a QT for a reason and you could have just asked. Also, your attitude as if you get to dictate to me how my own game functions is really aggravating. You were in fact already warned a few times to stop acting this way, that's why you're receiving (an incredibly minor) punishment. Narrator =/= lawyer. You can't expect the wording of any game, especially not one this complicated, to be perfect. The intention of how the rules are meant to work was clear to everyone besides yourself and those who didn't find them clear/looking for loopholes were at least polite enough to ask. You're in fact the only person I've seen when confronted with a narrator making a statement decided that what their next move should be is to argue with the decision and make demands of what they should do. I'm seriously barely restraining myself from just kicking you out of the game but, this place is generally such a nice and non-hostile environment I wouldn't want to start any such behavior. Please, please just stop acting this way. I'm not very inclined to have to ask you again.

(Oh, and don't even try a line like "I was just doing it to force you to make the rules more clear" because, again, you have a QT and could have just pointed such out and made suggestions. That is not what you chose to do.)

[Saposhiente]

Your punishment is unnecessary and unjust. It constitutes an unfair narrator bias.

[Internet Flea]

Both of you knock it off; I saw this play out in Revival already and I don't have any more popcorn.

[Zeb The Troll]

Troll Patrol: Fact: Structured Games are called that for a reason. In this particular subforum, posters are allowed to participate in a given game only with the narrator's permission.

In most cases, that permission is given during the sign up phase. Unless otherwise specified by the narrator, posters participating in the game without the full knowledge and consent of the narrator are not allowed. Posters doing so will be politely asked to leave the game thread. If they don't leave, they risk getting a warning or infraction. Posters instigating misbehavior might find themselves on the wrong end of moderator scrutiny as well.

[Tom the Mime]

Originally Posted by Lex-Kat

I'll take the 6^th vault spot. And join Mister Llama in killing Billtodamax.

Bad Mime!! Don't hurt my Llama! *Smacks the mime*

Ow! Stop hitting me! You've got the wrong mime. He's over there. *points*

[Ramsus]

*notes down Zeb voting for someone with an extremely long name*

{Scrubbed}

[Saposhiente]

Zeb was talking about recruiting people from other threads, not about this thing, Ramsus. And in any case, reality is not decided by popular vote, no matter how much the alchemists wanted there to be a way to turn lead into gold.

[Ramsus]

Er, I have no idea what your first comment even means and as for your second, I specifically said I wasn't opening up a political discussion. Just leaving the link there. You can ignore it or not. You're not obligated to inform me (and not suggested to either) one way or the other.

Edit: Seriously, I suggest you remove your comment as it's pretty much explicitly against forum rules as I pointed out.

Edit 2: And I'm just ignoring your earlier comment about narrator bias because I don't care about your opinion. Note: This is totally not in any way I assure you a subtle response to your political opinion.

Edit 3: I care about everyone else's opinions though. Don't worry, I still love you guys.

[BourgeoisJerry]

*Bang*

"Would you please quiet down? All this arguing is making it impossible for me to track my thankfully flightless prey!"

Jerry angrily reloads his rifle and begins to seriously consider pointing it at Saposhiente, but then a sudden realization strikes him.

"One down, two to go. But haven't I seen a flightless bird around here? Yes! I have! Several in fact."

Jerry trains his sights on that Penguinator fellow who seems suspiciously averse to silence.

[bladescape]

Originally Posted by Saposhiente

In any case, if you're going to change the rules (bladescape has concurred in my QT because he can't login to GITP atm), Ramsus, then I shouldn't be punished for reading.

I would appreciate it if my comments were not taken out of context. My comments were that the Narrator ruling was that Ghosts cannot vote in Red. You mentioned whether we might disallow it or whatever, and so I clarified that, no, Ghosts would not.

[Murska]

I suggest everyone take a calm breath and think about whether this is worth arguing about. I really doubt Sapo actually thought while posting that vote that it would eventually be allowed, rules-lawyering is just a fun thing to do as a joke sometimes, and the narrator will clear things up. Ramsus, your attitude is not very reconciliatory which leads to certain kind of people to just stick stronger to their guns because they feel they are being treated unfairly harshly, even though this is not your intention.

And please do keep everything unrelated out of it, such as political opinions and whatnot, at least.

[C'nor]

I'll put 2 Randomness, 1 Puns, and 1 Guile on Flabort, since, if I recall correctly, the ruling made last time I tried to bid in an auction was that votes weren't valid bids, not that Ghosts can't bid.

Also, Atreyu, you need to post in the Temple of Inari.

[Tom the Mime]

Originally Posted by C'nor

I'll put 2 Randomness, 1 Puns, and 1 Guile on Flabort, since, if I recall correctly, the ruling made last time I tried to bid in an auction was that votes weren't valid bids, not that Ghosts can't bid.

Also, Atreyu, you need to post in the Temple of Inari.

Isn't that a worthless bid given that ghosts have no use for any of the stats given they're already dead and can't be lynched again?
I guess I'll bid 2 gold on sapo as well.

[Murska]

They could still be useful for someone else, you know.

[Tom the Mime]

Originally Posted by Murska

They could still be useful for someone else, you know.

Yes but someone else doesn't get them if C'nor wins the bid - his stats just get lowered (which, as I said, doesn't really change anything). As far as the stats being useful to someone else, I'm fairly sure you can't trade stats to other people (I checked a while ago). Otherwise it would just get silly with people min-maxing to start with then pumping up their stats by trading with the friendly neighbourhood ghosts.

[Atreyu the Masked LLama]

Originally Posted by C'nor

Also, Atreyu, you need to post in the Temple of Inari.

But...but...the thread says that I was the last person to post on 4-30-12??

Also, on the prank, its something I'd have tried to do a few years ago.

Also also, you ghosts are about to go make me get a Poltergust 3000.

[Saposhiente]

Originally Posted by Ramsus

Er, I have no idea what your first comment even means and as for your second, I specifically said I wasn't opening up a political discussion. Just leaving the link there. You can ignore it or not. You're not obligated to inform me (and not suggested to either) one way or the other.

Edit: Seriously, I suggest you remove your comment as it's pretty much explicitly against forum rules as I pointed out.

Edit 2: And I'm just ignoring your earlier comment about narrator bias because I don't care about your opinion. Note: This is totally not in any way I assure you a subtle response to your political opinion.

Edit 3: I care about everyone else's opinions though. Don't worry, I still love you guys.

Zeb is not saying that he agrees with you; he's saying that I shouldn't bring people who aren't in the game into this. I haven't talked about your politics. I was saying that your argument of "oh these people agree with me" is meaningless.
It is against no forum rules. Go ahead and report it and see nothing happen.
Not caring about my opinions doesn't change any facts, and I wasn't saying anything about your politics.
Continued evidence of favoritism. Would you like me to randomly punish you in my games when I felt annoyed? Heck, I could lynch you right now in Revival and there'd be nothing you could do about it.
And I'm not going to take this to QTs because then you're free to flame me as much as you want like last time and I'll have none of it.